No more balls - for now

Discussion in 'Announcements & FAQs' started by CSR_Admin, Sep 22, 2008.

  1. CSR_Admin

    CSR_Admin Administrator Staff Member

    Mar 10, 2004
    I am going to remove the user rating system until I can figure out a better way to implement it. Since some members are not able to take it seriously other members feel it is actually detrimental instead of helpful. So its gone. I have literally not received one PM or pressure from anybody either way about this. I had my personal doubts and talking to Wesley realized he had his doubts too so its best to just turn it off for now. If anybody has a good idea for how to roll it out differently next time please post those ideas in the Suggestions section.
     
  2. chuck1

    chuck1 Super Moderator TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 3, 2006
    North GA Mountains
    Looking For Next One
    Looking For Next One
    I feel so little.:lol::smt043:lol: Sorry could not help myself.

    I think you did the right thing Jim & Wes, It did not appear to be working.
     
  3. comsnark

    comsnark New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    NJ Shore
    SeaRay SunSport
    5.7LX
    Same here. Ball envy goodbye!
     
  4. RiverRat

    RiverRat New Member

    Apr 1, 2007
    Creve Coeur, MO
    03 280 Sundancer
    Kohler 5 KW Gen.
    95 13' Boston Whaler Dauntless
    Twin 4.3 MPI
    Alpha 1 Gen 2
    :thumbsup:
     
  5. douglee25

    douglee25 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    NJ
    Boatless
    Big ones!
    I was just curious why you felt it was working previously but at this point you don't.

    Doug
     
  6. teekster

    teekster Member

    326
    Oct 5, 2006
    Minnetrista, MN
    340 Sundancer, 2005
    8.1L V-drives
    Good riddance. Here is 1 vote to never bring it back.
     
  7. Newbie

    Newbie New Member

    858
    Oct 22, 2007
    Apex, NC
    '01 230BR
    350mag B3,
    Now I can say it since I don't have any balls to take away. I don't care what anybody says, the system wasn't working like it should. Yesterday I saw a spammer with 3 posts, all junk yet 2 green balls. Today, a newb with 2 posts and 2 balls. Many shot up overnight from 2-3 to 6+. Glad to see it gone. SB
     
  8. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member

    Nov 20, 2007
    N. Wisconsin/Lk Superior
    2005 420DA
    Cummins 6CTA8.3
    I was striving to achieve my goal of 2 balls. I think eventually I would have made it. Now I am just another eunuch and I don't like that either.
     
  9. Alex D

    Alex D New Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Smith Mountain Lake, VA
    2004 240 Sundeck
    Mercruiser 5.0 MPI B3
    Thanks ... I was uncomfortable being called "an unknown entity" :grin:
     
  10. Alex F

    Alex F Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2006
    East Coast
    2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Dual E120 MFD/Radar/XMWeather, ST7001 A/P, AIS, SeaLift
    T-Cummins 450Cs Straight-Drives, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
    Jim,

    I’d like to make my comments based on the assumption that it’s the feature that we would like to be included in the site, but it has to be tuned before it reaches to satisfactory level. If that’s the case, then as with any application, it’s necessary to know the base model and criteria (rules) the original functionality was built on. After reviewing the details of current functionality we can start pointing the weak areas and start suggestion enhancements.

    I’m not a WEB developer and I don’t know what tools you guys use to control the site’s features, but similar principals and logic applies when building any application. I would start with raising few questions like:
    • Which part of the feature didn’t work as expected?
    • Was it too easy or too difficult to understand and/or use?
    • What percentage of members didn’t use it properly or simply abused it?

    I’m sure you have a database behind the WEB UI, which has members table. I think that by adding few flag fields that would add more detailed level of qualification and control for members to use the feature can help. For example:

    Let say we add the following flag fields (Y/N):
    - Reputation_Grace_Points (this field restricts members with < 100, or whatever you decide points)
    - Rutation_Grace_Period (this field restricts members that signed up only 3 months, or whatever time frame you pick)
    - Reputation_Strike (this field restricts members with > 10, or whatever # you feel is appropriate, red balls)

    So, if a member has all flags = “Y” he’s authorized to rate a post, otherwise a member doesn’t have ability to access the feature. This type of validation would restrict new members that have limited knowledge and members with negative feedback messing things up for others. In other words, a member has to earn his right to vote and would loose it if his reputation drops. Along with this I think you should make some things have easier access. E.g. I still don’t know how to know or see if anyone gave me a red ball and why. This brings me to the next item of submitting negative feedback (red balls). I think that by adding some qualification flag fields and reason may help as well.

    These are just some quick ideas I had after reading your post. I’m sure we’ll live without the feature, but if you think that it’ll make the site better, I think there’s a way to make it work. Every problem has a solution.

    BTW, if you think if I’m out of line and/or the way the site works is very different, simply ignore my post.

    Regards,
    Alex.
     
  11. CSR_Admin

    CSR_Admin Administrator Staff Member

    Mar 10, 2004
    When did I say I didn't feel it was working? The members that were most helpful were the ones that had multiple balls.

    Alex, all those flags were in place.
     
  12. Hampton

    Hampton Air Defense Dept TECHNICAL Contributor

    Nov 26, 2006
    Panama City, Fl
    2008 44 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-500's
    Straight Drives
    I think it was silly that the balls went to such great numbers, and that once a person had big ball numbers, he had huge influence up and down on any one person.

    In other words - one or two balls total would seem to be more functional.
     
  13. Turtlesboat

    Turtlesboat Minister of Media TECHNICAL Contributor

    Feb 4, 2007
    New York City
    1996 450DA, TNT, Caribe dink w/15hp OB.
    3126 427HP TD transmissions
    Personally, I thought they were a distraction. I think we have more threads about the damn balls then we do about cored hulls. Now if there were a way to cash in the balls, then that would be another story.
     
  14. wish2fish

    wish2fish Active Member

    Dec 19, 2006
    Locust Creek, Ohio River mm 433
    2003 220BR
    5.0 MPI
    No balls for you!
    [​IMG]

    Now what are some going to going to bitch about?
     
  15. Hampton

    Hampton Air Defense Dept TECHNICAL Contributor

    Nov 26, 2006
    Panama City, Fl
    2008 44 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-500's
    Straight Drives
    What? You didn't get your checks?
     
  16. Alex D

    Alex D New Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Smith Mountain Lake, VA
    2004 240 Sundeck
    Mercruiser 5.0 MPI B3
    DITTO to that !! I agree ...
     
  17. Alex F

    Alex F Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2006
    East Coast
    2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Dual E120 MFD/Radar/XMWeather, ST7001 A/P, AIS, SeaLift
    T-Cummins 450Cs Straight-Drives, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
    Jim,
    We must be missing something here. I assume there was something with the feature that didn’t make it satisfying in one way or the other. If all was fine, I guess it would be still activated. It might have working fine technically, but not meeting all user needs. You said I am going to remove the user rating system until I can figure out a better way to implement it. Since some members are not able to take it seriously other members feel it is actually detrimental instead of helpful.”

    So, it comes down to one question, what in your opinion is the problem?

    You’re saying that all the flags are in place, but I think we need to add more to tighten the rules and make it more restrictive. I also agree with John (Hampton) that the number of balls (either red or green) should be limited. There’s no reason to have 8 balls. If you rate members on the scale from 0-5 it should be plenty. If everyone knows that 5 is the highest score, this is good enough to let members know that a particular member has excellent knowledge. For this we don’t need 8-10 balls. I also think that number of posts shouldn’t drive the points in any way (not sure if it does now). But, we shouldn’t have a race like “I need 30 more points to get another green ball). I see number of members staying active in political posts while providing minimal info when it comes to specific boating issues.

    So, ones again, until we highlight the problem we can’t find a solutions.

    Alex.
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2008
  18. Dave S

    Dave S Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 3, 2006
    Upstate South Carolina
    Boatless
    Boatless
    Pretty much everything has been said for now about the ball system except one other thing and that is it was never obvious how to use it or what the balls meant to many people, especially new people.
     
  19. MLauman

    MLauman Member

    732
    Oct 3, 2006
    Madison, MS
    1997 270 Sundancer
    7.4 Bravo II
    Totally agree with these posts. Good riddance!

    If you just HAVE to bring it back I think the only way you're ever going to keep it real is to remove the anonymity factor. People should be willing to be held accountable for their 'votes'.
     
  20. KayKook

    KayKook New Member

    Feb 19, 2008
    Mitten State
    89' 200CC Cuddy (Sold)
    175HP 4.3L V-6
    Glad it is gone. It seemed to serve no real purpose IMO.
     

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