NFL concussion protocol

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  1. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2014
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    As a Phins fan I was watching the game last night when Tua got his bell rung. As a parent of a travel hockey player and former high school football coach, it amazes me how all of a sudden everyone on the internet is a neurologist. How many, in spite of being nowhere near Tua's previous injury much less have any formal training and probably never had a concussion, nor are familiar with SCAT protocols are criticizing the team, the NFL, and even one moron calling for murder charges if Tua were to pass.

    Most people don't know what a concussion is and are unaware that there are no definitive diagnostic tests to prove a concussion has occurred. The only way to "diagnose" a concussion is through observation and assessments. There is no xray or imaging that can illuminate and diagnose an acute concussion. Yes, we can see CTE but that takes years to show up on an MRI.

    What pisses me off is how everyone now is an expert and is calling for this or that.

    I am beginning to understand why certain politicians think so lowly of the public. They may have a case to make.

    Tua was given concussion testing every day after last Sunday leading up to last nights game. He passed all of them. But watching the talking heads connect last weeks back injury to last nights concussion is just more media hype to sell clicks.

    Rant over.
     
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  2. mrsrobinson

    mrsrobinson Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

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    I struggle with this as well. I watched the hit/fall and nothing seemed out of the ordinary to me, but obviously something bad happened, especially watching his fingers/hands. Agreed, there is only so much testing you can do to protect someone from further injury, or injuries period.

    It's a violent sport. Quarterbacks are vulnerable. Anyone "not delivering the hit" really is. It turns our stomach to watch some of these hits. Again, nothing special about this one IMO but something happened. I feel the same sometimes about UFC fighting. I always go back to these folks know what they are getting into when they sign up to do this though. Something bad, really bad, could happen. They dance, shout, celebrate a big hit, and the fans like/want that.
     
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  3. northshore

    northshore Well-Known Member

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    He got his bell rung vs Cleveland the week before and he was staggered.
    Obviously no expert but he was on his way to being Batman after that...



    Sorry that was the Buffalo game not Cleveland game he got dinged in.
    Mea Culpa - Hazards of watching Bills and Browns games at the same time
     
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  4. Pirate Lady

    Pirate Lady Well-Known Member

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    500 years from now, people will look at the NFL like we look at Gladiators. “Those people actually watched this for entertainment “.
    Mark my words. Tell me I’m wrong in 500 years.
     
  5. keokie

    keokie Well-Known Member

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    Or, you will be right in 100 years, but we will be watching gladiators again in 500 and thinking we were all sissies 400 years before.

    We humans are pretty un-predictable. We do, however, have great tendencies to feeling morally superior, and violent as well.

    We are an odd lot, but I'm a fan of humanity just the same.

    And concussions and protocol around them create a lot of grey area about the health of the grey matter.
     
  6. yobub

    yobub Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    Hell, just read this board. We have constitutional scholars, urban planning specialists, disaster preparedness experts, CEOs of auto companies, insurance risk managers, infectious disease specialists, all sorts of experts on every topic that comes along. Why should neurology be any different?
     
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  7. Golfman25

    Golfman25 Well-Known Member

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    Damn right and we stay at Holiday Inns. :)
     
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  8. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

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    Oh puleeeeze Alice! Football is not a sport where determining the victor is indicated by the death of the opponent. C'mon maan.
     
  9. Pirate Lady

    Pirate Lady Well-Known Member

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    You know what. I am done here. Everything I say you got a problem with. You win. happy? Bye.
     
  10. mrsrobinson

    mrsrobinson Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

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    I don't know any history between the two of you but I thought his reply was funny, a little bit of banter.
     
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  11. highslice

    highslice Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    It is possible to "get your bell rung" and not be concussed, which is what I thought happened to Tua last week. My oldest played HS football for 4 years on varsity and my youngest played 4 years of varsity soccer at the same school. The school's trainers gave every player a baseline test the day before summer practice began. I was not present at these tests so I let the trainers do their job. My oldest played center, left tackle and defensive tackle and his last 3 years he played both ways. He got hit a lot. He had to be evaluated on a couple of occasions, but only missed a couple plays each time. My youngest was a striker. The one time I was 100% sure he had a concussion, he was chasing down a pass that had a bit too much pace. The keeper beat him to the ball and absolutely blasted it...right into his face. His head snapped back and the back of his head hit the ground. I was sure he was out for weeks. 5 minutes later he was back on the field. Talked to him afterward and he said he got his bell rung for sure, but within 30 seconds the cobwebs cleared. He also played in college and they used the same protocol.

    That's a long way to say I agree, it is impossible to tell in person let alone on TV if someone is concussed and anyone who speculates is an idiot. You have to have seen their baseline test compared to the evaluation.
     
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  12. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

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    If you want to take your ball and go home fine. Just don’t post stupid shit like “…in 500 years..,”.
     
  13. Golfman25

    Golfman25 Well-Known Member

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    Right, because according to AOC earth will be dead in about 12. :)
     
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  14. keokie

    keokie Well-Known Member

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    She said that a while ago. I think it is about 10 years now.
     
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  15. highslice

    highslice Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    She said it in 2019. So we still have a solid 9 years. I'm good with that. My CTE won't have had a chance to kick in yet.
     
  16. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

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    Yup. I had my bell rung all the time in practice doing Oklahoma back when you led w your helmet. And look at me , no I’ll effects whatsoever. :rolleyes:
     
  17. highslice

    highslice Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    I have boxed most of my life. Now I just hit a heavy bag (they don't hit back). I have been tagged a few times, but been able to get my bearings back in 30 or 45 seconds. I have had one concussion in my life. That was playing tackle "bone crush" no pads football. I weighed 135 pounds and got blindsided by a 300 pound male nursing student. That one took a week of my life away.

    I think the jury is still out on the effects concussions had on you.:confused::D
     
  18. highslice

    highslice Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    I told my oldest if I ever saw him lead with the crown of his helmet I would personally pull him off the field and that would be the end of football for him. Never had to do that.
     
  19. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

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    I coached high school football back when everyone ran the veer option. Pitching was considered a wide-open offense. Tackling was old style leading w forehand and you could tackle through the last sound of the whistle.

    I’ve gone to HS football games over last 4 years both in Chicago and in Florida. Everyone runs the spread out of the gun and there is no hitting, not like the old days. Football is safer today.

    The fallacy is that head trauma occurs in games w big hits. In actuality it’s during practice 5 days a week for months every year starting in pop Warner through high school. It’s those hundreds of thousands of practice hits accumulating and causing injury most of time w players not even knowing.

    My son played winger in travel hockey. His 14U team won the National championship. They won numerous tournaments across US and Canada. He had to hang up the skates and forego playing in the Juniors due to concussions when he was 17. It’s devastating the impairment post severe concussions.
     
  20. northshore

    northshore Well-Known Member

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