New Sundancer Announcement - Anyone have a sneak peak

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by copb8tx, Sep 30, 2019.

  1. copb8tx

    copb8tx Well-Known Member

    Jan 26, 2008
    Lake Texoma, TX
    2005 420 Sundancer
    T-8.1S Horizons
    File name of the photo is "320 Coupe Teaser" so that's probably a clue.

    I wonder how Sea Ray's no big boat strategy is panning out for them.


    320_Coupe_Teaser_V2.jpg
     
  2. firecadet613

    firecadet613 Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2007
    Indiana
    '07 V358
    T- VP 5.7GXi
    This "coupe" trend is really taking off. Four Winns has the 355 Coupe, Regal the 38 Grand Coupe...

    All with a narrower beam than the boat's they've replaced. Curious to see what Sea Ray has come up with.
     
  3. mobocracy

    mobocracy Active Member

    356
    Jun 29, 2014
    United States
    310 Sundancer
    350 Mag & Bravo III
    I can't say I'm opposed to it. While I like the "openness" of my 2007 310DA in warm sunny weather, I have zero tolerance for the zipping and isinglass routine to make the cockpit more "all weather". My boat came with a set that is basically zipped in or not, not the "fancy" kind where you can leave it in but just roll up/down the isinglass panels as needed.

    The upshot is that we never go out if the weather is anything like marginal, and it definitely makes fall boating a fantasy. If I had a coupe setup, I'd be out more often in marginal and cool weather.

    My slip neighbor has a Regal 35 Sport Coupe which I definitely envy for this reason. I kind of worry about the greenhouse effect in warm weather, though. He has no tint on his side windows, and I think a 20% tint on them would probably help a lot. His roof opens and the back is wide open (without canvas), so maybe it's more tolerable or maybe he just runs the genny/AC continuously. I think it has dedicated AC for the cockpit based on the fact I see water pouring out of two different scuppers when he's gone.
     
  4. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    Most boats come standard with exactly what you have. Some people will have a canvas shop add "smilies" or "frowns" so they can open up a hole in the clears and roll them up/down. Smilies vs Frowns... that's a whole 'nother debate!
     
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  5. b_arrington

    b_arrington Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 21, 2007
    Setauket, NY
    2018 Back Cove 34
    Cummins QSB 6.7 480
    I like the frown for the helm, personally. When rolled it's out of the line of sight. And you can unzip just the top part for visibility or ventilation.

    About the coupes, as I've gotten older I appreciate them more. I certainly enjoyed the "wind in the hair" experience of an open front, and it feels more open - like a convertible car. But I found myself just leaving the windows in place much of the time, and I left my camper canvas up all the time for shade. The coupe (or other fully enclosed hard top) offers some advantages that allows a boat to be used in a broader range of weather and conditions.

    Last year I went to the Newport boat show and spent a lot of time at the Sea Ray dock. I looked at (I think) the 320 Sundancer (with the open bow), and another large open deck boat - the one where the aft starboard side folds out. I had a real problem with the low windshield of the DA. When standing it only came up to maybe my lower chest. From experience I know that running the boat would result in major wind blast. I told the rep at the show that I would love to see a Sundancer option that has a full windshield. He answered that would be nice, but it's NOT what Sea Ray considers the Sundancer philosophy. That kind of shocked me because the Sundancer I was on at the time had basically been turned into a bowrider.
     
  6. mobocracy

    mobocracy Active Member

    356
    Jun 29, 2014
    United States
    310 Sundancer
    350 Mag & Bravo III
    My boat is a 2007 and I'm guessing the canvas/isinglass set that came with it was original to purchase. I'm not sure how much sense it makes to pay to basically have this canvas improved to that level, I'm guessing it would run in the cost neighborhood of just having a new set of canvas/isinglass made. I mean if $5-7k buys new, retrofitting would probably be close. This boat is always $25k away from being perfect. :)

    IMHO, it's still kind of way more futzy than an actual solid windshield would be. Worse visibility than real glass based on my limited experiments with my existing canvas set (which is just old, not trashed or unusable).

    I guess I would be more interested if we didn't have a covered slip. Since we do, my cockpit cover is basically just a dust-bugs-etc shield, and not used for outright rain protection. I might buy into a lot more canvas if I was slipped out in the open or in a colder summer boating environment with more rain where having it in all the time was more appealing or necessary.
     
  7. firecadet613

    firecadet613 Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2007
    Indiana
    '07 V358
    T- VP 5.7GXi
    You can get the smiles and zippers added cheap. To roll up, just have a strap added at the top of the canvas sections with snaps. Under $250 I'd say....
     
  8. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    All the shop would be doing is sewing a zipper into whichever pieces you want to have smilies (roll up) or frowns (roll down) put into.
     
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  9. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1995 550 Sedan Bridge,
    2010 Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport,
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport,
    CAT 3406C's, 580hp.
    I just got a new set of isinglass made last year and it's the zip-in , zip-out kind. We leave the front windows in all the time but open the smillies all spring/summer/fall. We remove the side and back curtains in the warmer months and I'm getting ready to put them in now.

    It's only about a 30 minute job to take them down or put them up. An hour a year isn't too much time and besides, working on the boat is a labor of love.
     
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  10. stephenm27

    stephenm27 Active Member

    303
    Nov 3, 2009
    Milton, GA
    2009 310 Sundancer
    350 MAG Mercs/B3 x 2 (Axius Premier)
    If you look at the image at full/original resolution, it appears the "320 Coupe" is a bowrider a la the recently introduced 320 Sundancer, but with a full windshield added (you can see the 3-across seats in the bow and the cockpit access on the right).

    [​IMG]
     
  11. dvx216

    dvx216 Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Feb 1, 2012
    Catawaba Island,Oh.
    2000 310 sundancer 5.7






















    n/a
    twin 5.7 300 Hp.
    Shorter and narrower overall then my 310 Da I'm sure all the new bells and whistles are really cool but I'll keep my cockpit and cabin space.I know my 310 isn't a live on boat but it looks like Sea Ray has turned these boats into day boats.
     
  12. JimT

    JimT Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jul 7, 2009
    Charlotte, NC- LKN
    2010 330 Sundancer
    T-350mags w/BIIIs & Axius, 5.0 kw Kohler
    I had a camper enclosure made when I bought my boat 6 years ago. I did not do any screens. I used the existing small top sunshade piece attached to the arch and added back from there. $1800. Still in good shape as I only use it November - March. The rest of the time I use the cockpit cover.
     
  13. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    I hate canvas. It’s a real PIA. That being said, I feel like a larger coupe style boat might be kind of hard for me to single hand.
    I don’t like the thought of having to run outside of an enclosed space to handle a line, and the very few that I have gone aboard at boat shows seem to have some blind spots where there were sections of the boat itself that I had difficulty seeing from the helm which seemed to me would make close quarter docking a little more challenging.
    But I guess like anything else, I could get used to it.
    My perfect compromise would be a hardtop with zippered smileys in all of the plastic panels.
    My current boat has a center panel that lifts back out of the way and snaps on the bottom of the arch, and I usually open it up as part of my leaving the dock routine.
    It gives great air flow, but it’s a bit of a PIA to open and close because of the depth of the dash and it only opens up the center, not the part right over the helm.
    On really hot days I remove all of the panels completely but storing them and putting them back up is another PIA.
    One of these days I’m going to get around to adding some smileys to the two front facing panels and figuring out a way for them to be secured back on the hatch when open.
     
  14. FastMarkA

    FastMarkA Member

    278
    Jul 12, 2010
    Chicago
    2015 Sunseeker Portofino 40
    Volvo Penta D6-330
    If I had to guess, it's the 320DA hull with a full glass enclosure (like the 350 Coupe). Good idea, just hope it looks nicer than the 350 Coupe. :)

    This season was my first without canvas and, instead, a glass enclosure with opening sunroof. I have to say, it's pretty much life changing. Excellent visibility through the windshield, and if you feel like shade/it starts to drizzle, push a button to close the roof. Also, no stitching/zipper leaks.

    My previous boat had canvas/lexan panels and it felt like I spent half the summer taking it down and putting it up. I don't miss it one bit.
     
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  15. copb8tx

    copb8tx Well-Known Member

    Jan 26, 2008
    Lake Texoma, TX
    2005 420 Sundancer
    T-8.1S Horizons
    My only 2 concerns with full enclosers are heat and night vision. Was on a 2015 400 Sundancer for an evening cruise and it was mandatory to have the gen and AC going and even at that it struggled to stay cool if you left the back door open. With the back door closed you're isolated from your guests in the cockpit.

    Glare on the windshield from inside and outside made coming into the marina a real challenge, especially when trying to keep track of small boats with dim navigation lights. They just all ran together.

    That said, the interior was a beautiful space to hang out in.
     
  16. mobocracy

    mobocracy Active Member

    356
    Jun 29, 2014
    United States
    310 Sundancer
    350 Mag & Bravo III
    I can only really handle dock lines on my 310DA at the stern or on the bow, which requires a fair amount of moving around. IMHO, there's not much the openness of the 310DA that contributes to docking or line handling single handed.

    Did they have any of the glass tinted? My current SUV I had tinted to 30%, with the factory tint the total effective tint is probably 5% on the back windows and 20% on the front driver and passengers and it makes a massive difference in heat rejection, but surprisingly little difference in exterior visibility, even at night.

    IMHO, tinting a coupe's side windows is probably mandatory to help with heat management, and possibly even some light tint on the front windshield (to the extent its allowed by regulations and doesn't hamper navigation).
     
  17. b_arrington

    b_arrington Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 21, 2007
    Setauket, NY
    2018 Back Cove 34
    Cummins QSB 6.7 480
    So far with my hard top I do notice that it's hot when I first go in, but that was also true with the canvas. I can open the side sliding windows for a breeze, and also the center window opens as well. I can see that air flow could be an issue if all the windows are fixed. I haven't had any issues with running in the dark yet.

    To help with heat management I made some window shades from a thin insulation called Reflectix. It's basically bubble wrap with mylar on either side. Really helps with the heat load. I've also heard that a newer type of ceramic window tint works well; it can be very clear but still reduce thermal load.
     
  18. FastMarkA

    FastMarkA Member

    278
    Jul 12, 2010
    Chicago
    2015 Sunseeker Portofino 40
    Volvo Penta D6-330
  19. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1995 550 Sedan Bridge,
    2010 Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport,
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport,
    CAT 3406C's, 580hp.
    I have it on good authority (no, it wasn't Frank or Rusty!) that SR's unofficial name for the boat is the Fugly320.
     
  20. FastMarkA

    FastMarkA Member

    278
    Jul 12, 2010
    Chicago
    2015 Sunseeker Portofino 40
    Volvo Penta D6-330
    Yeah, when you look at it against the Regal 35 Coupe, the Jeanneau 33 Leader, Carver C34, or even the Formula 31 or 34PCs (which aren't full enclosures), there's something about the boxy hardtop/glass that doesn't create a pleasing aesthetic, unfortunately.
     

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