more gen problems

Luckydogs

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Mar 5, 2007
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Lake Texoma, Texas
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2003 3870 Express
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Twin 8.1S (hogs)
Alright, you all have heard my complaining for the past month about the problems I have had with my gen and service. Well here's an update and an opportunity for me to warn anyone in my area to stay clear of Grandpappy Point Marina on Lake Texoma.

Had the gen serviced at Grandpappy on June 30th due to a surging/hunting issue I was having. The tech assigned to the job instructed me upon delivery of the boat/gen to back the boat in front of his shop so that he could hook up the water hose to service it. At the time I didn't kow that was a "no-no". Well, after two hours the tech had re-calibrated the gen and the hunting/surging problem was now fixed.

On July 3rd, I splashed and after tying up and starting the gen I noticed it didn't sound right; the volts were a solid 120 but something was not right. So, I checked the oil and noticed that it was over filled so I drained some in a water bottle and this is when I noticed there was water in the oil. I then drained all the oil and filled with fresh oil and ran the gen for 20-30 minutes and re-checked the oil; no water. But, the new pinging noise I had noticed earlier was still present. During the long 4th of July weekend I started and ran the gen a couple of times but never ran it for too long and during the operating times; it was harder to start, had white smoke come from the exhaust and the pinging noise was still presnt.

I take the boat and gen back to Grandpappy Marina on July 7th were is sat for weeks until they were able to determine that cylinder #1 had no compression so the gen had to be pulled from the boat and put on the bench. At no time did Grandpappy apologize or taken any responsibility and when the gen was pulled, the tech said the culprit of the water intrusion was the anti-siphon valve. The tech even denied that he serviced it via waterhose and that he had to back the boat in the water to service it. The same valve that has been on the gen for the previous 500 hours I put on the motor all the sudden went bad!!!!!!!! I don't think that "just happens". And I don't think it was a blown head gasket because after changing the oil I never noticed water in the oil again.

So I finally had to contact the GM of Grandpappy who on 8/8 tells me that the gen will require a major disassembly and if there is damage to the block caused by the broken rod it would require a new long block and after all is said and done; I'm gonna be out $4k. It took them five weeks to tell me this and they said because I'm not a Grandpappy Marina customer, that all their customers come before me.

I finally took possession of my crippled gen on 8/10 and delivered it to Parker Power Systems in Carrollton, Texas who after 48 hours have already diagnosed the problem and broken the gen down. Unfortunately, the rod did break and took a chunk out of the block so I have ordered a new block from Westerbeke and Parker Power should have it in by next Wed, assembled and back up and running by next Friday and; their quote was a thousand less than Grandpappy's.

So after all that said; what should I do about Grandpappy?? Any chance I can prove to the GM or owner that the tech made a mistake and caused this???? Or should I just let it go and make it my mission to run thier name in the dirt?????????
 
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I think you're screwed. Hard to prove that they ruined the engine. Three grand isn't bad for someone to do a long block. Westerbeke's price is almost that much.

Personally, I wouldn't do business with a place named "grandpappy', but that's me. BTW, do you have a photo of the block? Like to see how badly it was damaged. Sometimes they can be fixed.

Best regards,
Frank C
 
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No pic, but I was told that the chunk was big too big and there was no way around it. At least it's finally getting fixed; this has put a damper in half of my summer. I will also have a warranty on the block and the repair
 
Need some advice so I don't mess anything up when I get the gen back into the hole. I know I have to hook up with water intake hose, fuel line, exhaust hose, battery cables and main power wires. Is there anything special that I need to do when hooking up the exhaust hose? I have the installation manual printed so I can have something to refer to as I'm doing it and it is sefl explanatory but I just wanted some addtl. advice from the members. Also, mine has an anti-sihon break and the manual reads to install a min of 20" above the water line; any addtl tips. Wish I would have taken a pic of the set up before it was removed.
 
I moved the location of the antisiphon valve. Hooked-it up using a zip-tie to a long bolt that is up near the top of the ER cavity, directly above the water tank. You should be fine putting it back together - not much you can screw-up.
 
Installing is easy. Use sealant on the bolts so water does not wick down them into the wood core. If the genset has the plug-in wiring for the remote switches then that's easy. If it has screw terminals, then knowing which wire connects to the matching terminal can be a pain.

Best regards,
Frank
 
Well, the tech cut the cord so all the wires are still intact. But the good think about that is I will know what goes where when I get ready to install. I will just need to stip back the wires and attach eyes to them
 
Well, the tech cut the cord so all the wires are still intact. But the good think about that is I will know what goes where when I get ready to install. I will just need to stip back the wires and attach eyes to them

bastard.

If that doesn't prove that he's incompetent, then nothing will. Only a damned idiot cuts the wire instead of disconnecting it.

There's nothing to installing an anti syphon valve. The valve installs in-line on the hose, and you mount it as high as possible with the vent facing up.

Best regards,
Frank
 
The mechanic HAD to back the boat into the water to service? Boy, this "mechanic" really doesn't have a clue.
 
bastard.

If that doesn't prove that he's incompetent, then nothing will. Only a damned idiot cuts the wire instead of disconnecting it.

There's nothing to installing an anti syphon valve. The valve installs in-line on the hose, and you mount it as high as possible with the vent facing up.

Best regards,
Frank

tell me about it, how f'n lazy you gotta be!!!!! I guess he was going to splice it back together too!!
 
The mechanic HAD to back the boat into the water to service? Boy, this "mechanic" really doesn't have a clue.

In the past, I kow for a fact that this same mechanic serviced a generator by hooking up a hose to the thru-hull water inlet. This method, if not done correctly can cause exactly what happended to mine.
 
In the past, I kow for a fact that this same mechanic serviced a generator by hooking up a hose to the thru-hull water inlet. This method, if not done correctly can cause exactly what happended to mine.

A pressurized water source into a generator = water injestion! If only you could have taken a picture of him working on your boat! : ) Basically when I work on mine, I take one end of a spare hose and hook one end up to the hose leading to strainer, and the other end into a big bucket of water. No need to back the boat in or feed with a pressurized garden hose. (Although if I'm planning to run the generator for any length of time, I use a garden hose to feed the big bucket of water).
 
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Just open the strainer, remove the basket and stick the end of the hose into the strainer. Plenty of water and the excess just flows into the bilge.
 

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Just open the strainer, remove the basket and stick the end of the hose into the strainer. Plenty of water and the excess just flows into the bilge.

That's what I do! The generator gets what it needs and the rest rinses out the bilge! It works great.
 
Hopefully will be picking up the gen this week! Anyone got any advice on how to get it back in the hole w/out throwing a back out???
 
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So after all that said; what should I do about Grandpappy?? Any chance I can prove to the GM or owner that the tech made a mistake and caused this???? Or should I just let it go and make it my mission to run thier name in the dirt?????????

Well perhaps this is something you can pursue...my wife once had a rude experience with a local Meineke after they had done a horrendous job of turning down some rotors for her car. We went to a neighboring Meineke and told them the story, they did the investigating to se the shoddy workmanship, and said they would fix it for free if we would send a letter to "headquarters" outling the situation, which we did. They immediately suspended the bad Meineke's charter, reimbursed the good dealer, and sent us our money back for our trouble. Don't know if this could work for you, but it's worth asking the shop your currently usuing.

Bill
 
Well, gen is back together with new block and when bench tested she runs great with a small load but when not under a load I was advised that it sputters and runs rough. It has been sitting up since July 4th so maybe there is some debris in the carb or bad gas causing this issue. I have already dumped more money than I wanted to and I sure don't want to fork out a few more hundred for a new carb. Any suggestions other than running it with a full load?
 
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