Mercury Marine and Unions

Tail Chaser 661 said:
Not really,
With Upper Management and CEO's having no business ethics anymore. Usually spoiled rich kids taking over there daddy's positions. The men that founded this country.
All this new breed thinks of, Is how to cheat, steel, rob, and cut corners to make an extra buck. With there sole motivation being. My boats bigger then yours mentality.
Its not even worth buying a action/adventure DVD anymore.
Its cheaper for these azz clowns to use digital technology for stunts and equipment, Then to hire stuntmen and film real ships,aircraft, etc for there feature films.
No need to hire overpaid actors soon. Everything will be animated. Very funny how these rich people are the most miserable people on the planet :smt038
No wonder they have angry, wife's. :lol:
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Man, talk about a generalization.....Why pay more when you can get the same result for less money? Are you wealthy enough to just piss money away?

Digital technology is here to stay..get used to it...remember "buggy whips"? Is Brad Pitt really worth $15 or so million per movie? Is a stunt guy worth $$whatever$$ when the same thing can be done with animation or models and look authentic? What am I missing here......people have to change with the times and technology or get left behind!
 
That sort of reasoning is why business owners don't want unions. If you do the simple math, how in the world does one expect to work 30 years and then draw a pension for another 30 years? The math doesn't work. i.e. it is not a sustainable business model.

I've been in southern California (at Disney no less) setting up a booth for a trade show. I've done this 3 times there... The "union guys" were nothing more than thugs (i.e. crooks) that would not let us set up our tradeshow booth as "union rules" meant you had to use union nitwits to set up this stuff. All 3 times, a lead thug would come over and we would give him $500 in cash and then he would leave us alone. Him and his buddies would then literally stand on the edge of the show floor laughing and sitting around. This happened all three years I did that there... and everyone on the floor did the same thing.. it was simply extortion/organized crime.

If you want to complain about business leaders, go learn how to spell and use grammar properly and maybe you can become one. It really beats being a bitter person looking around at everyone else complaining how the world poops on you.

PS. I don't have a pension....Well.. I did have a big ass investment in WAMU but that didn't work out so well... and I didn't inherit anything from my parents other than having to help support them as they got older.
 
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Tail Chaser 661 said:
Bummer, A trend with the country becoming the Haves and have not.
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That trend usually follows the "Do" and "Do Not"


Also... maybe I just need to become a Union member... hell... I don't get paid overtime... I had to work over 80 hours last week to meet a deadline and the f**king customer didn't even pay extra... I just got a flat daily rate... greedy b***stard.
 
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Guess I'm just use to quality.
The digital stuff looks like there using toys. Maybe they are.
American made products use to be made to last. Now a bunch of China junk your lucky to get a years use out of, if it works at all. Everythings about cheap now days. Hard to be OK with that.
My skys are blue more then not. Even with my Maui Jim sunglasses on.
 
No, But its good to know there is quality products out there still.
 
ImpulseIII said:
Man, talk about a generalization.....Why pay more when you can get the same result for less money? Are you wealthy enough to just piss money away?

Digital technology is here to stay..get used to it...remember "buggy whips"? Is Brad Pitt really worth $15 or so million per movie? Is a stunt guy worth $$whatever$$ when the same thing can be done with animation or models and look authentic? What am I missing here......people have to change with the times and technology or get left behind!
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Maybe Max Headroom can get some work now.
 
We all know that when special effects are done on computer, it employs no one... well... you just have to go "snap snap" and POOF! The effects flow out of the computer!

Is it possible it employs a different group of people (i.e. geeks)... nah... can't be.

Toy Story should have been animated union clay models... or union artists drawing each frame on a piece of union paper like when Disney did Snow White and the Seven Union Dwarfs... and not that crappy computer stuff. It damaged a lot of people doing it on a computer.
 
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Take a look at the credits of a movie some time. The CGI credits are about 10 times longer than actors, grips, craft services etc... One production like Lord of the rings employs probably a 1000 people for 3 years.
 
Tail Chaser,

Just so I'm clear on this......Are your posts in this thread serious?

Let's see. I work 30 years, get paid 60 years all the while cursing the employers & technology that makes my job possible in the first place. I wonder how Califirnia's economy is doing lately?
 
Tail Chaser 661 said:
Guess I'm just use to quality.
The digital stuff looks like there using toys. Maybe they are.
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Sorry man, this is a very weak argument from your very biased position. Essentially, it seems to me that you are "in the business", and are upset that you aren't working more. That hardly justifies an argument that the "new way" isn't any good. Would you suggest that many of the digital effects in a movie like "Lord of the Rings" were not of any value? How about all digital movies, like "Beowulf"? The newest computer generated stuff is amazing, and gets better each year. And you could very much make the argument that it requires more work to not only make a movie using these new techniques - but to invent the new techniques themselves - than doing it the old way.

Life gives you a chance to go out and get what you want out of it. Those that wait for someone else to get it for them usually go without.

As Colin Cowherd likes to say, "this is a you problem, not a me problem"...
 
It's kind of like owning one of those Kodak film booths on the corner when digital cameras came out.
 
TurtleTone said:
It's kind of like owning one of those Kodak film booths on the corner when digital cameras came out.
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I just got a good deal on 10 of those; I plan on installing them around the city of Boston. No competition, also I'm thinking of get into the payphone business anybody want to invest?
 
Four Suns said:
That sort of reasoning is why business owners don't want unions. If you do the simple math, how in the world does one expect to work 30 years and then draw a pension for another 30 years? The math doesn't work. i.e. it is not a sustainable business model.

I've been in southern California (at Disney no less) setting up a booth for a trade show. I've done this 3 times there... The "union guys" were nothing more than thugs (i.e. crooks) that would not let us set up our tradeshow booth as "union rules" meant you had to use union nitwits to set up this stuff. All 3 times, a lead thug would come over and we would give him $500 in cash and then he would leave us alone. Him and his buddies would then literally stand on the edge of the show floor laughing and sitting around. This happened all three years I did that there... and everyone on the floor did the same thing.. it was simply extortion/organized crime.

If you want to complain about business leaders, go learn how to spell and use grammar properly and maybe you can become one. It really beats being a bitter person looking around at everyone else complaining how the world poops on you.

PS. I don't have a pension....Well.. I did have a big ass investment in WAMU but that didn't work out so well... and I didn't inherit anything from my parents other than having to help support them as they got older.
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Unfortunately most of what you are saying is true.
Lots of the useless Union guys have been in for over 25 yrs now. Job security with seniority.

The old days, You could have a grievance filed on you for helping/doing someone else's job. It was hard for a employer to fire a Union employee. A lot of teamsters took a untouchable attitude. Most of the American middleclass jobs just happened to be Union back then. They were the jobs people sought after as there last job.
Now days, You have to be good at your Union job if your going to keep it.

I'm only in the Union because my job requires it. Then again, The Union did the negotiations to get a fair paying job. And I get to take a few months off every year so I can chat with fellow CSR members :wow:

I hear you on the Pension. Maybe if Companies hadn't started moving to third world countries for a competitive edge. Other Companies would not have had to make cuts. Then eventually follow the trend to outsource.
It is what it is. My job is going nowhere. With America becoming unemployed. More people are going to the Movies and watching TV for entertainment. My work gets more busy.:thumbsup:
 
He is pissed off because "talkies" replaced the organ player of "silent film" fame!!!

We have to stop this moving forward and go back to simpler times.....I want a carborator.....to hell with fuel injection! I want a sail, to hell with motors!!!

What I really want is for this freaking rain to stop !
 
TurtleTone said:
It's kind of like owning one of those Kodak film booths on the corner when digital cameras came out.
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Or a Smith-Corona typewriter repair shop in 1998... at least Kodak has tried to reinvent itself... how about Polaroid? Floppy disk manufacturer? VHS / cassettes, etc. Since the industrial revolution technology has constantly changed, and new wealth has been created, and old wealth has either reinvested or run out. How'd you like to inherit 10,000 shares in a silver mine in Virginia City, NV? It would make you rich in 1860, and was worthless 20 years later...

Ultimately, the complaints from union workers sound more and more like they're just angry that their gravy train is falling off the tracks. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. The unions need to learn how to fish.
 
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