Liagra anyone???

Disturbing.

Was McCain also lying? Who are the "true" Republicans, I wonder?

The folks who won't run for office because they are honest, God fearing people who don't want to subject themselves or their families to the scorn of the liberal media that always gets directed at the conservatives.

McCain? He isn't a conservative. That is why he only got mediocre support from the conservative base. I think 90% of us pinched our nostrils shut, held our breath, and pulled his lever for one reason and one reason only - he wasn't Obama. I'd have done the same if the Republican candidate was Martha Stewart.

The "true" Republicans are easy to spot. The libs call them stupid, inept, unqualified, etc.. Palin is one. Newt Gingrich is another (I hope he gets back in the game soon).

Reagan. He was a conservative. We haven't had one run as a Republican ever since.

We should commision a poll overseas to see who has the least support for POTUS, and then elect them. Probably be the greatest POTUS ever...
 
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McCain? He isn't a conservative. That is why he only got mediocre support from the conservative base. I think 90% of us pinched our nostrils shut, held our breath, and pulled his lever for one reason and one reason only - he wasn't Obama. I'd have done the same if the Republican candidate was Martha Stewart.

The "true" Republicans are easy to spot. The libs call them stupid, inept, unqualified, etc.. Palin is one. Newt Gingrich is another (I hope he gets back in the game soon).

Much I agree with in your post.

So bottom line: If you don't put a conservative on the ballot. . don't be surprised if a non-conservative gets elected.
 
In nine months...

Osama followed the modest Keynesian policies of Bush with more radical Keynesian economic policies. The world has see the evidence over the last several decades that Keynesian policies don't work. They actually have a negative effect. Banks have been failing in record numbers. The FDIC is again nearly or just below required minimums. There isn't enough money available to pay depositors of institutions that fail. Osama's Keynesian policies are making this worse. Further, his attacks on banks and bankers are making investors nervous, so they're pulling funds out of banking. Watch for $2,000 / oz gold coming to a market near you, soon! When gold is flying that high, you know investors have zero confidence. The dollar is really going to be sucking hind ***. Hope none of y'all have any t-bills!

Osama promised greater openness and transparency. His minions in government have been caught in improper and/or illegal activities. Non have been punished, fired, or otherwise sanctioned. The guy with the NEA, for example, who urged artists to do "pro-osama" work had his title removed. But he's still in the same office drawing the same salary. When his boss was asked what that guy is doing, he replied that he didn't know.

Thousands have said they don't want osama-care. Yet he keeps pushing a system that few people want. Instead of fixing the existing framework, he wants to throw it out and implement one that has shown defects at least as great as the one we have.

Iran and Russia stood up to Osama. And Osama blinked.

The British PM has tried 6 times to schedule a meeting before the G8 (or was that the G20?) meeting. Osama didn't take the call. I thought he was for closer communications with foreign governments?

The Honduran supreme court, following the law of their constitution, threw Zelaya out of the office of president where he was abusing his power. Hugo Chavez and Osama have teamed up to put this putative dictator back into power against the law of that country, against the will of the Honduran people.

That's just a couple of things off the top of my head. I could go for pages if I did just a tiny bit of research. The man is a menace.

Best regards,
Frank
 
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i feel like this thread is drawing to a close. it's good we all care enough to argue our points. i think i have made my position clear. i dont live in the USA, but it is EXACTLY the same in every country in europe. the system of unrestrained free-market loans to entities that could never pay back (but made the agent a commission) is acknowledged worldwide as the south-sea-bubble of our times.

every nation is fighting unemployment, lower gdp, falling tax revenues and public anger.

the free market created this situation, so you cant blame some people for reacting to that badly. they have lost their jobs and their homes because of it. they are desperate.

it isnt that they voted one way or the other - in the position theyre in who gives a crap? the world did this to them - the unregulated banker-feathers-his-own-nest and fucks the rest of you world.

the bubble burst as bush2 left office. the black guy with big ears got given the baton.

so what do you do when youre the biggest guy in the playground: keep flashing your dick? or is there some more enlightened way to ensure american security? you better believe it, cause its the only chance for ALL of us.

**** all the things that are happening that piss us off in our little bit of the world. back any fucker who might, just might, be able to make old foes into friends, who might, just might, help to remove old prejudices, who might, just might, save our children and grandchildren from fighting the same pointless fucking war over and over again.

give the guy a fucking chance, your grandchildren might thank you.
 
I'm still pissed at the British for crapping up Virginia... still cleaning up freekin' cannon balls from 200 years ago.
 
Yeah... this was real popular here in Virginia last time the British had an opinion on how things should be run:

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But free market didn't cause the current situation, government medling in the free market is what caused it. (Think Barney Frank) If the damn government would quit getting in the way, we would be far better off right now than we are. obama stands for more government medling, up to and including socialism.

You mean like the democrats that pushed all this sh!t through??

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE[/YOUTUBE]

WAIT! He's a DEMOCRAT!!!

And a big parakeet/kearney.
 
nice quote mwph - shame its totally irrelevant to what i said.
i never, ever questioned the manner in which it was or is provided. get your facts straight.

i'm no bleeding-heart liberal and the quote you use (jack nicholson, i believe) is utterly inappropriate to describe my position. i am offended by the inference you put forward.:smt013

Kevin, First off I am not bashing you personally, just your support of a person that I would probably beat to within an inch of his life if he ever ventured within 100 yards of me.
You asked me to get my facts straight so here goes

(same movie): "These are the facts and they are indisputeable"

Fact - Osama will weaken this country. God forbid he is still the community organizer 7 years from now because if he is The U.S. will no longer be able to provide that blanket of security that I so thankfully enjoy. So my statement is not "irrelevant".

Fact - Obama says He wants to "Change the way Washington works". Yeah. He wants to release captured terrorists & prevent military personell from capturing & interogating any more of them. By suggesting that he is in any way right for our country or that previous administrations did it wrong, is in itself questioning the manner in which it was provided.

Fact 3. I did not refer to you as a bleeding heart because I was replying to your stated position, not your person. If I offended you then you can take your place at the end of the line. You will be in the company of those that at a minimum, needed to be offended.

Actually, I will apoligize if I offended you personally. You are probably a decent man, deseving at least that much respect. However, in my opinion, you are either for us(me) or against us(me). It apears you are against me. I am fine with that.
 
Kevin,

Which free market are you referring to? The one where the government forced lenders to make loans to unqualified buyers? Or the one where government created our current system of managed healthcare (HMOs) by subsidies? Oh wait, maybe it was the one where the government (the fed) expanded the money supply to free up "credit" and devalued the dollar.

All of the current "Crisis" that our lovely elected officials are currently saving us from, were in fact created by their meddling in the first place. Its the disease masquerading as the cure.

I think its unfortunate that so many people spend time point fingers at "the other guy." I don't care if they are wearing red or blue, the sad fact is, most of our current politicians are in it for themselves. Its time for Americans to wake up, and give all the crooks the boot.

Thanks for the input, but the fact remains, if we were interested in how you do things "over there" we wouldn't have had the American Revolution.
 
Agree with both Scott and 1stSeaRay wrote above.

The problem with a free market is the distortions that government introduces into the so-called free market. Regulation can be a problem. But it's often a good thing and not always the issue. In the most recent economic collapse, the problem was the assumption and denial of risk. Here in the U.S. the government, in promoting a misguided social good, guaranteed loans that should have never been written. Risk is what inherently keeps the banking and investment markets sound. Since the government removed much of the risk, the credit markets became wildly distorted. Far far too much money flowed into the markets. Money loaned out "multiplies" (economics 101) But since much of the multiplication was based on distorted loans with the risk negated by government policy, the risk multiplied, too. Because of this multiplication, a small monetary problem quickly becomes a big one since all of that risk-reduced can't withstand even a minor downturn.

Government can't manage an economy. It can't manage the conditions around the economy and it can't manage the risks either. The best it can do is setup a framework such that all of the actors behave in a responsible and moral manner. Removal of risk causes the exact opposite condition.

Best regards,
Frank
 
give the guy a fucking chance, your grandchildren might thank you.

It's my children and (future) grandchildren that I am afraid for.....

Currently, the US Government is spending $2 for each $1 they are bringing in. This year's deficit is several times bigger than our previous worse year, yet, you hear very little about that.

Someone has to pay this bill, and it will be our kids in the future that will be saddled with this huge debt.

My problem with Obama is that he continually throws more money at everything and is doing NOTHING to rein in the spending. He gives a great speach, but does not show any true leadership.
 
whoa!
there's some feeling here!!!
i love your contributions 4suns, and i respect your opinions (and your help when ive needed it...). and i know that im an outsider. but it isnt just american citizens that "live" in an obama world. we all do, cause america is the "biggest kid in the playground".

i stand by my comments above re future history.

i lived in the middle east at the time of the first gulf war, with my wife and 4 little kids - just across the shaat al arab waterway from the bad guys. you want to know how come we could sleep at night? i'll tell you: because the "biggest guy in the playground" looked after us all. i love the USA. i support the great majority of your foreign policy. i worked for a US comapny for 20 years - have many GREAT friends from that time. i dont apologise for being british.

there is a world recession. WORLD. fancy becoming US president at THAT time. give the fucking guy a chance.

PS dont you just love a good debate?

Good luck:smt001 There is a distinct flavor of complete and utter belief that the only people that are capable in US politics have the big (R) next to their name. Toe the line....YESSIR!

Most people here had already written off Obama before he was even elected, and didnt even want to pretend to give him a chance. After 8 years of Bush, you'd think the blind would see, but again...good luck.

Obama so far hasnt sparked me to get behind him, but he also inherited some of the the worst crap any president has had the displeasure of inheriting. So, I think Ill reserve judgement until about the 2 year mark and see what happened and where to go from there.
 
He is destroying capitalism

Can you define the current "capitalism" we have had for the last few years?

Seems to me, we kind of lost the meaning of the word.

It used to mean creating wealth through entrepreneurs, small business and working hard.

Seems to me we decided just moving money around, speculating and bailouts became "capitalism" at the expense of the foundation.
 
Bill !!!! No!!!!

Giving this guy 2 years is like waiting to see how big the mushroom cloud is before deciding wether or not to blow up the missile on the launch pad.
 
Bill !!!! No!!!!

Giving this guy 2 years is like waiting to see how big the mushroom cloud is before deciding wether or not to blow up the missile on the launch pad.

I have to give him time. I have given every president the benefit of the doubt for the first 2 years and am not going to change that. I am completely neutral on the parties so I only go by what gets done.

And frankly, we can do all the whining and complaining we want, he will be the prez for another 3 years+. So Ill be open to possible changes, as the last few years has been downhill anyway. Might as well try something different.
 
Next year you should be able to select new congress critters. Don't have to wait for four years. Don't like what is going on? Replace the critters with ones more amenable to your views. Like it? Send them back.
 
Next year you should be able to select new congress critters. Don't have to wait for four years. Don't like what is going on? Replace the critters with ones more amenable to your views. Like it? Send them back.

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...as the last few years has been downhill anyway. Might as well try something different.

I think this is the point where you and I disagree.

If you look at the US from say 1964 up until now, there has been a constant increase in one thing, liberal philosophy and policies. The past few years got a little worse because Bush did not do much to counter that. He was too busy with security matters, and quite frankly, not a good conservative.

I say that having the House and Senate run by liberals, and Obama in the White House is the equivalent of putting the accelerator to the floor, going full speed in the wrong direction. Trying something different would be going with a conservative (not Republican, they are NOT the same) House, Senate, and POTUS that would actually undo some of the damage.

Trying something different would be cutting programs that don't work, revamping the tax code, fixing laws that have come about as the result of the Supreme Court "interpreting" the Constitution instead of reading it and enforcing what it says, cutting regulation, cutting spending, cutting foreign aid, getting out of stupid treaties like the global warming fiasco, fixing immigration (by unconditionally kicking out anyone that did not fill in the paperwork on the way in regardless of where they came from, why they came, or how long they have been here), and strengthening our military (and getting them out of where they do not need to be. If we leave Iraq and Afghanistan, we need to win before we leave even if it means doubling the troops, and bombing them both back to the Triassic period before we pull out).

I'm afraid of what 2 full years in the wrong direction at full speed will do to this country.

2010 is going to be a very interesting election year indeed.
 
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