It's Halftime in America... After taxpayers lose $1.3 Billion???

wvsundancer said:
I think everyone has their own point of view but the goverment lost 1.3 trillion because we the voters in this country voted into office people we empowered to give Chrysler 1.3 trillion. This is not a union vs non-union issue. This is an issue where we keep putting people into power from both parties who have no reason (because we do not give them one) to answer for their actions.
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+1:smt038
 
wvsundancer said:
I think everyone has their own point of view but the goverment lost 1.3 trillion because we the voters in this country voted into office people we empowered to give Chrysler 1.3 trillion. This is not a union vs non-union issue. This is an issue where we keep putting people into power from both parties who have no reason (because we do not give them one) to answer for their actions.
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Maybe we need to pay these folks better so we get the cream of the crop.:smt043
 
almostenuff said:
Sorry, I thought we were done...



Again, my original point was to stop the stereotyping that all unions are bad and all union members are the enemy. I'd be happy to write a thesis on the pros and cons of aviation unions. However, I have to prepare for 2 weeks of training (required by the contract) and I want to do the very best that I can, so that I may continue to give our customers a premier experience.
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So does your aviation company advertise to these "high profile" clients that their pilots are the "best trained", "safest", etc, etc. because their union contract requires it?

My point being is that if your company really wants the cream of the crop as you put it, so that they can attract the high profile clients wouldn't it be logical then to assume that they would do most of the same things simply because their market place demands a premier experience?
 
almostenuff said:
I'm in a union and without it, I would make substandard wages with unsafe working conditions...
I'm curious, why so anti-union?
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almostenuff said:
Sorry, I thought we were done...



Again, my original point was to stop the stereotyping that all unions are bad and all union members are the enemy. I'd be happy to write a thesis on the pros and cons of aviation unions. However, I have to prepare for 2 weeks of training (required by the contract) and I want to do the very best that I can, so that I may continue to give our customers a premier experience.
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I'm sorry...I didn't see where we were talking of an avaition union
Most of my thinking was more directed toward the UAW (and similar organizations)
back in the 80s I was working for 8.00 per hour fixing things that 25.00 per hour people screwed up or just didn't bolt down

guess I was guilty of sterotyping
 
OSHA?

Don't we have an entire political party aimed at eliminating agencies that do nothing but publish regulations which impede American industrial competitiveness?
 
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Lets get off the union story for a minute and discuss the ad; was it appropriate for a bailed out company to air this ad? Did this look like a re-election ad with the halftime theme? Was this a payback for bailout? Why did they use images of Wisconsin protests if it wasn't political? Then edit them?

MM
 
at 1,000,000 bucks for a 30 second spot (and this was 2 minutes) in the super halftime....

ahhhhh....they will just roll it into the payments on your next new Dodge truck :wink:
 
MonacoMike said:
Lets get off the union story for a minute and discuss the ad; was it appropriate for a bailed out company to air this ad? Did this look like a re-election ad with the halftime theme? Was this a payback for bailout? Why did they use images of Wisconsin protests if it wasn't political? Then edit them?

MM
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They mentioned football, showed some cars, but the message was political, IMHO. I didn't like.
 
moparlvr4406 said:
at 1,000,000 bucks for a 30 second spot (and this was 2 minutes) in the super halftime....

ahhhhh....they will just roll it into the payments on your next new Dodge truck :wink:
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I like my Ram truck thank you very much. BTW just to be correct it is now RAM trucks
 
MonacoMike said:
Lets get off the union story for a minute and discuss the ad; was it appropriate for a bailed out company to air this ad? Did this look like a re-election ad with the halftime theme? Was this a payback for bailout? Why did they use images of Wisconsin protests if it wasn't political? Then edit them?

MM
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Don't recall the add.

But. . .wasn't the ad about cars? Can't you advertise if you were bailed out? Isn't car advertising traditional during football games?
 
comsnark said:
Don't recall the add.

But. . .wasn't the ad about cars? Can't you advertise if you were bailed out? Isn't car advertising traditional during football games?
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Watch the ad in the original post.

No, not really about cars, the ad was about Detroit rising from the ashes and a comeback that is at "halftime" which all could be a metaphor for the reelection campaign. That is where I thought discussion would go.

MM
 
I have now watched the add.

Conclusion: This must be a slow newsday.

Really. . . a *metaphor* for a reelection campaign? Gosh. A *positive message* about the future, with no slurs regarding any politicians or political party. What utter blashphemy. An excercise in *subtlety*? How can we tolerate such things?

As an ad. . . yeah, it is horrible; as are about 25% of all superbowl ads.
We don't have to assign any motives beyone advertising; nothing more diabolical than "incompetence" describes this ad.
 
comsnark said:
I have now watched the add.

Conclusion: This must be a slow newsday.

Really. . . a *metaphor* for a reelection campaign? Gosh. A *positive message* about the future, with no slurs regarding any politicians or political party. What utter blashphemy. An excercise in *subtlety*? How can we tolerate such things?

As an ad. . . yeah, it is horrible; as are about 25% of all superbowl ads.
We don't have to assign any motives beyone advertising; nothing more diabolical than "incompetence" describes this ad.
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Why did they use images of Wisconsin protests if it wasn't political? Then edit them? What does that have to do with selling cars? Com you are naive here.

MM
 
comsnark said:
I have now watched the add.

Conclusion: This must be a slow newsday.

Really. . . a *metaphor* for a reelection campaign? Gosh. A *positive message* about the future, with no slurs regarding any politicians or political party. What utter blashphemy. An excercise in *subtlety*? How can we tolerate such things?

As an ad. . . yeah, it is horrible; as are about 25% of all superbowl ads.
We don't have to assign any motives beyone advertising; nothing more diabolical than "incompetence" describes this ad.
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Well I'm not alone on this.

"DETROIT -- People rarely pick a fight with Dirty Harry. But Chrysler's "Halftime in America" ad featuring quintessential tough guy Clint Eastwood has generated fierce debate about whether it accurately portrays the country's most economically distressed city or amounts to a campaign ad for President Barack Obama and the auto bailouts."

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_19906826

The White House today denied any involvement in Chrysler's "Halftime in America" advertising campaign, unveiled by Clint Eastwood during Sunday night's Super Bowl.
But that doesn't mean President Obama's advisers weren't happy about it.""


http://content.usatoday.com/communi.../halftime-in-america-ad-pleases-white-house/1

"Did the first Obama re-election ad run during the Super Bowl? You might have missed it since the president wasn't even mentioned. It was a Chrysler ad, although even that wasn’t obvious. Instead, more than 111 million viewers were greeted by that tough-talking American icon Clint Eastwood as he delivered what amounted to a locker room speech to the country."


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...erica_chrysler_ad_was_it_good_for_obama_.html
 
MonacoMike said:
Why did they use images of Wisconsin protests if it wasn't political? Then edit them? What does that have to do with selling cars? Com you are naive here.
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Could it be the political images were edited to remove political content?

MonacoMike said:
Well I'm not alone on this.
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I didn't think you were alone. I had no doubt this was the outrage-of-the-day. For sure, the reason this got that kind of coverage was because it was Monday; and some people had to find *SOME* reason for rage against those evil liberals. As I said earlier:

comsnark said:
This must be a slow newsday.
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There may be a conspiracy going here since I saw on the news just this morning that Chrysler is going to hire back 1,800 employees for there Belvidere, IL facility. Government still owns piece of Chrysler (I think), Clint Eastwood commercial airs on network who's CEO is in the bag with Obama, and announcement of hires conveniently timed to coincide with forementioned commercial. Sounds fishy to me!:huh:
 
320Bob said:
There may be a conspiracy going here since I saw on the news just this morning that Chrysler is going to hire back 1,800 employees for there Belvidere, IL facility. Government still owns piece of Chrysler (I think), Clint Eastwood commercial airs on network who's CEO is in the bag with Obama, and announcement of hires conveniently timed to coincide with forementioned commercial. Sounds fishy to me!:huh:
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Are you, a local expert, suggesting that "the chicago way" is being implemented?

MM
 
320Bob said:
There may be a conspiracy going here since I saw on the news just this morning that Chrysler is going to hire back 1,800 employees for there Belvidere, IL facility. Government still owns piece of Chrysler (I think), Clint Eastwood commercial airs on network who's CEO is in the bag with Obama, and announcement of hires conveniently timed to coincide with forementioned commercial. Sounds fishy to me!:huh:
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Hiring workers to support prep for the 2013 model year is part of a conspiracy?

Does that mean you think the company must be failing (because they MUST be failing) and that they therefore shouldn't be hiring? -or- are you saying that they should logically be hiring workers overseas (or in Mexico?)?

BTW: I think the Goobers have sold all their shares of Chrysler. The $1.3 Billion was the *net loss*, or rather the *net cost* of the bailout, including how much money the goobers shelled out and how much they got paid back directly or got as payment for shares sold.

Overall -> a surprisingly small loss for the bailout, all things considered. I wonder how we faired with the banking bailouts?

I would think that announcing new American hiring in conjunction with a feel good commercial is not just be coincidence, but would actually be *planned* as part of marketing strategy to present the company in a positive light. Why wouldn't you do it this way?

Now, the slur that Fiat and NBC is cohoots with the Administration -> I don't have any reason to doubt it. Croney capitalism is the capitalism we have today in many parts of the world. I would expect many companies to pour money into PACS throughout this election year. Remember. . there are no limits or disclosure requirements for PACs not *directly* working for a politician.
 
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comsnark said:
Now, the slur that Fiat and NBC is cohoots with the Administration -> I don't have any reason to doubt it. Croney capitalism is the capitalism we have today in many parts of the world. I would expect many companies to pour money into PACS throughout this election year. Remember. . there are no limits or disclosure requirements for PACs not *directly* working for a politician.
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You have wanted to engage on this subject a couple of times. This is a direct result of "campaign finance reform I-LIX" pushed by your line of thinking. If it were not for these "reforms" most of the money would flow to the politicians to get out their message and THEY could be held responsible for the content in the court of public opinion. As it is the money now flows to aggregators who curry favor and have little accountability to the public. What part of the 1st amendment do these campaign finance reformers not get? I am confident you will agree that any law written and approved by elected politicians, including campaign finance reform, are written as job security and re-election provisions.

People that own companies together, through corporations, have the right to speak up in elections through their corporations. It is funny that many media corporations talking heads bash the "Citizens United' decision while expecting government types to "allow" them to continue to say what they will just because the are "media".

MM
 
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