Install camera to Axiom

Irie308

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2004 420 DB, GHS Hydraulic Lift
Garmin 8600/Garmin 1222 plus
AB Mares 10 VSX with 30 hp Tohatsu
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Cummins 450C 8.3 L Turbocharged
Looking to install non Raymarine camera to my Axiom 12. From what i can tell Raymarine doesn't support non Raymarine camera but they do list requirements on their support site without any guarantees. Went through the requirement's and I think I meet most of them but still no go. They also list support of analog cameras but only with a single port encoder. Anyone get this working with standard ip or analog camera willing to share some insight?
 
Interested...how do you have this wired in? Camera model #?
 
Yes we did. We have two Axiom Pro 12 RVX MFD's and two original analog cameras on our 58DB. Each Axiom allows for one analog connection to the power cable on the back of the MDF. Both work perfectly.

I only have two complaints; one is that you have to select them manually to scroll between the two cameras. One is aft and one is engine room. The other is we had three sources on our old E120 Classics. The two cameras, and our Directv Feed. We no longer can access the Directv on the MDF.

Ken
 
Yeah, I've read that the Axiom pro allows for analog directly to the MFD. Unfortunately not available on the Axiom 12.
 
I assume you have the RayNet to RJ45 adapters?
I would use the switch, when you use the switch do you get link lights at both ends?
When you have the camera on the network, can you also connect a laptop?
Or do you have to keep swapping the camera back and forth?
I would try to have the camera connected at the same time so you can browse to the camera settings at the IP it picks up on the MFD network and make small changes.
If you must swap between a laptop and the MFD, be sure to save the settings in the camera, power cycle the camera after it is attached to the MFD to be sure it picks up the MFD network settings.

It does appear to meet all prerequisites, H264, RTSP, ONVIF, DHCP; be sure it meets that setting "ONVIF User Authentication MUST BE DISABLED"

The devices are auto negotiate for Ethernet, but some cheap ones don't very well. If you fail to get a link at both ends, or if you cant browse to it with the laptop on the MFD network. Try forcing the camera device to 100Mb and use port 1-4 (port 5 is gigabit)
 
How is the camera powered?

Possible that you need a crossover ethernet cable??
 
How is the camera powered?

Possible that you need a crossover ethernet cable??

I was thinking the same thing, my Garmin has to be a crossover cable when used without the switch.
The Garmin switch is auto "midi/midi-x" which means it will auto flip the TX and RX pairs as needed, most switches are auto sensing.

The power is another thing, the camera says it supports DC/POE so if a straight DC adapter plug that should be simple.
But if the previous setup used POE or used a passive POE injector near the MFD that could be an issue with the Axiom.
Most passive POE injectors use two pairs of the Ethernet cable for power, so it can not establish Full Duplex only Half Duplex connection. Most systems are fine with half duplex but some are not.

This is why trouble shooting would be easier if a laptop can also be on the MFD network at the same time. To confirm the camera is up and responding to the laptop browser when on the MFD network.
 
Installed Axiom Pro 12S and Axiom 12 screens last winter: I connected an old Garmin analogue camera to the Pro MFD and it worked but the picture was a bit disappointing. I ended up replacing it with Raymarine CAM220 in my engine room and brought data to an HS5 switch. Used the same power from the old camera. Impressive I.R. capability.
 
I assume you have the RayNet to RJ45 adapters?
I would use the switch, when you use the switch do you get link lights at both ends?
When you have the camera on the network, can you also connect a laptop?
Or do you have to keep swapping the camera back and forth?
I would try to have the camera connected at the same time so you can browse to the camera settings at the IP it picks up on the MFD network and make small changes.
If you must swap between a laptop and the MFD, be sure to save the settings in the camera, power cycle the camera after it is attached to the MFD to be sure it picks up the MFD network settings.

It does appear to meet all prerequisites, H264, RTSP, ONVIF, DHCP; be sure it meets that setting "ONVIF User Authentication MUST BE DISABLED"

The devices are auto negotiate for Ethernet, but some cheap ones don't very well. If you fail to get a link at both ends, or if you cant browse to it with the laptop on the MFD network. Try forcing the camera device to 100Mb and use port 1-4 (port 5 is gigabit)
I’m powering the cam with a dc connector. Networked by raynet to rj45. I do get a link light on the hs5 switch. That is the one thing I don’t see as an option to enable or disable on the cam (ONVIF Authentication) so I assume it’s not enabled. Didn’t think of connecting laptop to hs5 switch. Will give that a shot. I did however connect the raynet to rj45 directly to the mfd and still nothing.
 
Ok, this is going to be long winded but welcome to IOT. the "Internet of Things"

Authentication will be "enabled" by default.

ONVIF is a camera/video protocol for IOT devices. Cameras you hang on the network and tell some other device (DVR/MFD) to go find them and connect to them. Since so many "things" are getting connected to networks security became a concern. So "Authentication" mechanism was written into this protocol. Authentication complicates things, user IDs and passwords. So many vendors (Raymarine) chose not to implement Authentication on their application as its simpler to deploy devices. They assume the network will never be connected to other than on the boat Raymarine devices.

The camera manufacturers are also lazy and typically set Authentication to admin/admin and many software applications will just try the standard defaults. FYI this is NOT going to be the same user ID and password you set for the web browser logon even if that was also admin/admin by default. The setting will be in there somewhere hopefully, if it is not you need a different camera.
 
Since these are branded LTS cameras and they have a support page perhaps open a ticket and see if they can help find that setting.

I did find this, ignore most of it but at the beginning they talk of how to add/change the ONVIF account. Seems to be under the web tab "Integration Protocol" with "User management". It shows "admin". See if you can disable authentication or add a user blank / blank with media user rights. (at least on the camera they used in this example)

https://ltsecurityinc.zendesk.com/h...mera-on-LTS-Sapphire-NVR-Unisight-Empower-NVR
 
Seems the ONVIF authentication is on by default and can’t be changed on this cam. Decided to try a different cam that had the option disable ONVIF authentication. Nope, no go. Conversely this doesn’t work on my Garmin either. So this leads me to think there is some configuration requirement shared amongst mfds which is not being met. The problem is I refuse to pay $400 for one of Raymarine’s ip camera. The garmin recommends using an encoder for the analog cameras. I picked one up from eBay connected my analog cameras and bingo they came up on the garmin. Raymarine doesn't support this configuration. About to call it a day and add this as a negative in the Raymarine colum.
 
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... The garmin recommends using an encoder for the analog cameras. I picked one up from eBay connected my analog cameras and bingo they came up on the garmin Raymarine support this configuration. About to call it a day and add this as a negative in the Raymarine colum.

It's a shame that Raymarine has to operate as they do. Garmin seems to want end user participation and tries to make it simple.

Great that you got this working, which encoder did you go with? I am about to upgrade to 1242+ MFD's, right now my 4212's have two video inputs each and upgrading is going to leave me a few cameras shy of what I have now. Glad you posted this, right on time!
 
It's a shame that Raymarine has to operate as they do. Garmin seems to want end user participation and tries to make it simple.

Great that you got this working, which encoder did you go with? I am about to upgrade to 1242+ MFD's, right now my 4212's have two video inputs each and upgrading is going to leave me a few cameras shy of what I have now. Glad you posted this, right on time!
found this guy on ebay for about $50
https://www.axis.com/en-us/products/axis-m7014
 
I have a127and connected a $40 camera off of Amazon, it works great with or without the lights on.
 
It's a shame that Raymarine has to operate as they do. Garmin seems to want end user participation and tries to make it simple.

Great that you got this working, which encoder did you go with? I am about to upgrade to 1242+ MFD's, right now my 4212's have two video inputs each and upgrading is going to leave me a few cameras shy of what I have now. Glad you posted this, right on time!
Forget any ethernet/IP camera other than Garmin to the Garmin stuff. I have had multiple "experts" on the boat to integrate the Lorex security cameras and NVR into the Garmin system - dead end. The only way to view the cameras is through HDMI.
 
Here is a great blog\article that has provided the most info I've found regarding ip cameras on the the Axiom. Hopefully it can save someone some time in the future. Seems like a fools errand as if you are successful in finding a camera that works, any future software updates may break it.
https://panbo.com/broad-ip-camera-support-a-raymarine-advantage/
 
Here is a great blog\article that has provided the most info I've found regarding ip cameras on the the Axiom. Hopefully it can save someone some time in the future. Seems like a fools errand as if you are successful in finding a camera that works, any future software updates may break it.
https://panbo.com/broad-ip-camera-support-a-raymarine-advantage/

That sounds like Raymarine, they really try so hard to be proprietary and only support OEM/boat builders. Even their digital switching is the same way, you can only get that working if you are a boat builder/OEM. Garmin has end user support built right in with digital switching and camera's it seems.
 

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