Impeachment

While your talking shit you no nothing about, bring your ass down to FL and tell me that BS face to face, I'll be waiting!!! ;) I just had my 5th heart ablation, in just the last two yrs, I didn't choose to have a bad heart BTW, and I'm quite sure I've earned what little bit of Disability insurance I receive @ 59 yrs old
I certainly do appreciate the invite. But I’m pretty booked up for the rest of the winter. And summer is my busy time of year. Maybe early next winter if the offer still stands.....?
 
That Adam Schiff should get a Oscar for his performance. He's creative for sure, sometimes lip quivering, near tears, much podium tapping, even talk of 'celestial justice'. Schiff is so smart he knows what people are thinking, he can tell you their intent. He has coated the Senate with premature guilt, the Constitution will become irrelevant, the decline of America rests on their shoulders. He insist the POTUS must be punished now, removed from office, for crimes that he knows will be committed in the future. :eek:

I would like to hear from the witnesses exactly what happened. I don't think anyone expected the truth to come out from the grandstanding by the Democrats or the Republicans at this stage of the impeachment. The polls show that Americans want to hear from Bolton and the others that the President refused to allow to testify.
 
I would like to hear from the witnesses exactly what happened. I don't think anyone expected the truth to come out from the grandstanding by the Democrats or the Republicans at this stage of the impeachment. The polls show that Americans want to hear from Bolton and the others that the President refused to allow to testify.
Actually the polls are unclear about that. It's a trick. If I ask you "do you want to hear from witnesses" -- you say sure, lets hear what Bolton has to say. When they ask me "do you want to hear from witnesses" -- I say sure, lets hear what Biden has to say.

The reality is the media has it head all in a tizzy over much to do about nothing. It's a policy dispute, plain an simple. The bureaucracy has gotten so big it thinks that it makes policy. "Policy" has been Russia bad. I guy like Trump upsets the apple cart and says lets try to make a little peace with Russia. People heads explode. Then realize that Congress has a way of attracting some the the dumbest humans walking the planet.
 
I didn’t realize that Military Aid, specifically the Javelins or tank busters, were not part of the Aid withheld from Ukraine?? The media would have you believe otherwise.
 
Actually the polls are unclear about that. It's a trick. If I ask you "do you want to hear from witnesses" -- you say sure, lets hear what Bolton has to say. When they ask me "do you want to hear from witnesses" -- I say sure, lets hear what Biden has to say.

The reality is the media has it head all in a tizzy over much to do about nothing. It's a policy dispute, plain an simple. The bureaucracy has gotten so big it thinks that it makes policy. "Policy" has been Russia bad. I guy like Trump upsets the apple cart and says lets try to make a little peace with Russia. People heads explode. Then realize that Congress has a way of attracting some the the dumbest humans walking the planet.

I would like a separate inquiry into Biden but Trumps impeachment has zero to do with Bidens crimes. The impeachment is about Trump crimes and his actions. Do you believe that the President should be allowed to block people from testifying and block evidence from being heard in an impeachment trial.
I agree with you on the media hype that's why witnesses need to be heard. What better way to have a clean sweep in 2020 then have the WH staff and former come foward and testify but if your hiding something you keep them muzzled.
 
I would like a separate inquiry into Biden but Trumps impeachment has zero to do with Bidens crimes. The impeachment is about Trump crimes and his actions. Do you believe that the President should be allowed to block people from testifying and block evidence from being heard in an impeachment trial.
I agree with you on the media hype that's why witnesses need to be heard. What better way to have a clean sweep in 2020 then have the WH staff and former come foward and testify but if your hiding something you keep them muzzled.
The Biden's conduct has everything to do with it. It goes to whether the was a legitimate government interest in an investigation vs "digging up dirt on a political opponent."

And absolutely, any President has a right to privileged conversations with his closest advisors. We disregard these privileges at our peril. If congress doesn't like it, they can go to court. The courts are there to decide these issues. I certainly don't want the clowns in congress deciding what's privileged and what's not.
 
I would like a separate inquiry into Biden but Trumps impeachment has zero to do with Bidens crimes. The impeachment is about Trump crimes and his actions. Do you believe that the President should be allowed to block people from testifying and block evidence from being heard in an impeachment trial.
I agree with you on the media hype that's why witnesses need to be heard. What better way to have a clean sweep in 2020 then have the WH staff and former come foward and testify but if your hiding something you keep them muzzled.
I believe when the House claims they have 'proof', overwhelming, sufficient, and undeniable, they ought to actually have it. They have actually impeached the POTUS based on their 'proof', overwhelming, sufficient, and undeniable....it better be there.

I see no need for witnesses. There's been enough investigating, so much that they've accumulated 'overwhelming proof' and impeached our President.....present your case, there's been enough F'ning around.
 
The Biden's conduct has everything to do with it. It goes to whether the was a legitimate government interest in an investigation vs "digging up dirt on a political opponent."

And absolutely, any President has a right to privileged conversations with his closest advisors. We disregard these privileges at our peril. If congress doesn't like it, they can go to court. The courts are there to decide these issues. I certainly don't want the clowns in congress deciding what's privileged and what's not.

The supreme court has ruled they have no standing over impeachment.
This trial is about Trump not Biden, Trumps motive could be if Biden did something wrong but it was not his call to withhold the aid. My main objection is what happens when a Dem President does exactly the same thing to obstruct justice, when do we draw the line?
 
The supreme court has ruled they have no standing over impeachment.
This trial is about Trump not Biden, Trumps motive could be if Biden did something wrong but it was not his call to withhold the aid. My main objection is what happens when a Dem President does exactly the same thing to obstruct justice, when do we draw the line?
It wouldn't be the exact same thing...Trump isn't charged with obstruction of justice.
 
The supreme court has ruled they have no standing over impeachment.
This trial is about Trump not Biden, Trumps motive could be if Biden did something wrong but it was not his call to withhold the aid. My main objection is what happens when a Dem President does exactly the same thing to obstruct justice, when do we draw the line?

Standing over impeachment and the decision of what is and what isn't privileged aren't the same things. And it is absolutely his call to withhold aid. He actually has an obligation to make sure the new Ukraine administration will handle our hard earned tax dollars properly. And Dem. Presidents do withhold information from Congress all the time. Where do we draw the line? We don't the courts do. That's the three branches of government. The last thing we want to do as a result of this charade is chill the communication between a President and his advisers. They need to be able to speak freely and frankly.
 
It wouldn't be the exact same thing...Trump isn't charged with obstruction of justice.
Obstruction of Congress
 
Here's a Fox News poll.

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So now that Bolton has come out and said the payment to the Ukraine was with held pending them announcing they are investigating the Bidens anyone change their minds on hearing from witnesses. I would like to hear from Bolton.
 
So now that Bolton has come out and said the payment to the Ukraine was with held pending them announcing they are investigating the Bidens anyone change their minds on hearing from witnesses. I would like to hear from Bolton.
Bolton has not come out and said that. The New York Times has a "source" that says that's what a "manuscript" of Bolton's book says. The New York Times has been wrong a lot these past few years. Unreliable at best. How about, before we start the witness circus, we verify the story. Let's look at the manuscript and see what it says. My money says the NYT got it wrong.
 
Bolton has not come out and said that. The New York Times has a "source" that says that's what a "manuscript" of Bolton's book says. The New York Times has been wrong a lot these past few years. Unreliable at best. How about, before we start the witness circus, we verify the story. Let's look at the manuscript and see what it says. My money says the NYT got it wrong.

Trump has commented on it saying Bolton is lying. I don't read the New York Times it was the WH comments that got my attention.
 
The supreme court has ruled they have no standing over impeachment.
This trial is about Trump not Biden, Trumps motive could be if Biden did something wrong but it was not his call to withhold the aid. My main objection is what happens when a Dem President does exactly the same thing to obstruct justice, when do we draw the line?
They have done the same thing. What I'm wondering is how you know Trumps motive was 'obstruction of justice'.
 
The supreme court has ruled they have no standing over impeachment.
This trial is about Trump not Biden, Trumps motive could be if Biden did something wrong but it was not his call to withhold the aid. My main objection is what happens when a Dem President does exactly the same thing to obstruct justice, when do we draw the line?
Iprof, Your wasting your time with most of these guys, like trump said himself, "I could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and people would still vote for me", Trump was DAMN sure right on that statement...….
 
The aid to Ukraine was held up and you'd think they ran out of bullets and were over run by Russians the next day according to Schiff. Adam Schiff's lip trembles when he talks of how poorly Trump treated the Ukraine. He said the Ukraine was protecting our 10's of thousands of military personnel in Europe, that the Ukraine is protecting mainland USA even. If it wasn't for them we'd be battling the evil Ruskies on our own shores.:eek:
 
The aid to Ukraine was held up and you'd think they ran out of bullets and were over run by Russians the next day according to Schiff. Adam Schiff's lip trembles when he talks of how poorly Trump treated the Ukraine. He said the Ukraine was protecting our 10's of thousands of military personnel in Europe, that the Ukraine is protecting mainland USA even. If it wasn't for them we'd be battling the evil Ruskies on our own shores.:eek:

Your not interested in the truth are you?
 

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