I voted with my wallet........

Or the Florida woman who was hand-cuffed and tasered while running away. Do you really think this was what should have happened to a woman who didn't obey the lawful command to stop.

Yes, she should have. If you're handcuffed/detained and you run from the police after given the command to stop you should get tazed....at the least.

I'm curious.... Do you think it's OK to disobey a command from the police? If you get stopped for a traffic violation and the cop tells you to put your hands where he can see them, do you think he only kind of means it? DO you feel it's OK, or your right, to ignore authority?
 
You wouldn't happen to know the guy's name in the video would you?

I love to shake his hand and buy him a beer or two
It's Brandon Tatum. I haven't looked further but I get the feeling that he is a regular poster on YouTube.

Like you, I'd really like to sit down with him, buy him a beer or two and just spend a couple of hours talking with him.
 
This may be off the point of the original thread, so forgive me...........

We live in Tenessee, near Nashville part of the time. One of the great things about this area is that the live music venues are excellent and the music business. Much of our popular music (not just country) is written and produced here. Therefore, Nashville tends to be on a lot of the A-list performers tour schedule. Tonite we went to see Kenny Loggins who was performing with the Nashville Symphony. As soon as the conductor climbed upon the podium, the orchestra played the National Anthem. Everyone in the audience that was not in a wheel chair stood, faced and saluted the American flag.

That is right: everyone, all 2,200 of us stood and saluted the flag......not a single soul "took a knee". I guess we leave that to the hugely oppressed group who make millions playing a football game.

The American spirit and patriotism are alive and well in Nashville.......except when the Titans hide in the locker room until after the National Anthem on game day.
 
America is and has always been far from perfect. Far from perfect.

She is, however, the most free, most generous, most inclusive, nation in all of recorded history. Millions of her people have bled and died or suffered the loss of a loved one(s) to create and propagate that freedom, generosity, and inclusiveness not only for herself, but for millions of others in the farthest reaches on earth. Millions of her people donate large sums of time money and material to help the needy all over earth.

Not only are we Americans better off for her existence; indeed the entire world is. As nations go, there has never been a greater force for good.... ever. Not even close.

America is far from perfect. Those that effort to defend the good she represents and make her better have my deepest respect.

I have absolutely no empathy for those who disparage her. Shame on them for their ignorance and ingratitude.

- Chris
 
Ya wanna bet?
Yea, I get what you are saying. 140 murders in Cleveland last year (fortunately most on the far east side of town). Lots of the victims were unarmed. But crazily enough a lot of people believe that the police are their biggest problem. And they have their own version of the thin blue line - they are referred to as the 'I didnt see nothin' crew!
 
I interpreted the word charged as being rushed up on, like when a confrontation begins.

Why would an officer pull a taser against a gun or knife? That doesn't make sense. The only way an officer pulls a taser is if the suspect isn't armed.

And that is my fault for being ambiguous - I was thinking not armed with a gun - think knife.
Do you shoot someone with a knife rushing at you or use less than lethal force if available? (this is provided there is time and distance to do so)

And I'll be very honest, I have zero sympathy for someone who is told 5 times, "drop the weapon" and you choose to ignore a lawful command - ZAP! and the story ends happily right there.
 
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This may be off the point of the original thread, so forgive me...........

We live in Tenessee, near Nashville part of the time. One of the great things about this area is that the live music venues are excellent and the music business. Much of our popular music (not just country) is written and produced here. Therefore, Nashville tends to be on a lot of the A-list performers tour schedule. Tonite we went to see Kenny Loggins who was performing with the Nashville Symphony. As soon as the conductor climbed upon the podium, the orchestra played the National Anthem. Everyone in the audience that was not in a wheel chair stood, faced and saluted the American flag.

That is right: everyone, all 2,200 of us stood and saluted the flag......not a single soul "took a knee". I guess we leave that to the hugely oppressed group who make millions playing a football game.

The American spirit and patriotism are alive and well in Nashville.......except when the Titans hide in the locker room until after the National Anthem on game day.

And Frank, I believe that is the case most everywhere. This NFL thing wouldn't be anything to pay attention to but in true form, the media rather than reporting news made news. I saw somewhere that the US news organizations produced over ten minutes of every hour last week on this small group of children having a tantrum. It's what I call a self-eating watermelon..... I would wager that if the mainstream media was at that Kenny Loggins show they would make news about the tuba player that sat while playing the National Anthem.
So, from my opined perspective I would take focus on the media in these United States and work to reel that mess in. Is it not odd that to get pertinent important news that we look to the foreign broadcasters?
 
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Yes, she should have. If you're handcuffed/detained and you run from the police after given the command to stop you should get tazed....at the least.

I'm curious.... Do you think it's OK to disobey a command from the police? If you get stopped for a traffic violation and the cop tells you to put your hands where he can see them, do you think he only kind of means it? DO you feel it's OK, or your right, to ignore authority?

Shawn,

No, I don't think it's OK to run from the police or disobey their commands, however it still happens.

Florida has had 65 Taser-related deaths since 2001, the second highest total behind California, which had 92. It seems we're both residents of states where LEO consider them a compliance device on the same level as pepper spray.

A 20 year old woman with her entire life ahead is now brain dead and in a comma. She was handcuffed, running from an officer who was only steps behind. His life was not in danger, there were no other people in danger, she wasn't a violent offender. A young person simply made a bad decision.

I just don't think the punishment fit the crime in this instance. An officer shot an unarmed, handcuffed woman with a taser and caused irreversible harm. I go back to an earlier point, what would that officer have done before the taser?

I'm just curious about your first sentence..."you should get tazed....at the least". What in your opinion would be considered greater than getting tased?

BTW: Thanks for the ad hominem attack, it speaks volumes.
 
A 20 year old woman with her entire life ahead is now brain dead and in a comma. She was handcuffed, running from an officer who was only steps behind. His life was not in danger, there were no other people in danger, she wasn't a violent offender. A young person simply made a bad decision.

Apparently not just one.

"Maudsley was initially arrested for her alleged involvement in two hit-and-run crashes and driving without a license."

I really had to laugh when the first web site that popped up was infowars while searching for this!

Another case of "Do stupid things - Win stupid prizes"

So...
No License
Hit and run (x2)
Willful fleeing.
Plus what ever she did to get her license yanked or did she feel she just didnt need one and that law did not apply to her?

ZERO SYMPATHY

AND THIS JUST IN!
https://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Danielle_Maudsley_5548227/
Grand theft auto. Nice.
 
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Apparently not just one.

"Maudsley was initially arrested for her alleged involvement in two hit-and-run crashes and driving without a license."

I really had to laugh when the first web site that popped up was infowars while searching for this!

Another case of "Do stupid things - Win stupid prizes"

So...
No License
Hit and run
Willful fleeing.
Plus what ever she did to get here license yanked or did she feel she just didnt need one and that law did not apply to her?

ZERO SYMPATHY

AND THIS JUST IN!
https://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Danielle_Maudsley_5548227/
Grand theft auto. Nice.

These are some excerpts regarding the case.

"It just doesn't make any sense," said Greg Connor, a professor at the University of Illinois Police Training Institute who specializes in use of force. "I don't see where it's going to be that hard to apprehend her."

But experts said Trooper Cole made a series of mistakes that led to Maudsley getting away from him.

Nationally known use-of-force expert Dave Klinger, a retired Los Angeles police officer and professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, reviewed the dashcam video Friday and noted Maudsley was handcuffed in the front, which he called an "inappropriate" police tactic.

"If you have somebody in custody, you don't put them in a situation where they can escape," Klinger said. "Why in the world was she in a position to run?"

Lorie Frindell, associate criminology professor at the University of South Florida, once worked for the Washington, D.C.-based Police Executive Research Forum, which concluded that fleeing shouldn't be the sole justification for Taser use and that the officer should consider the severity of the offense, the suspect's threat level and the risk of serious injury to the suspect.
 
These are some excerpts regarding the case.

"It just doesn't make any sense," said Greg Connor, a professor at the University of Illinois Police Training Institute who specializes in use of force. "I don't see where it's going to be that hard to apprehend her."

But experts said Trooper Cole made a series of mistakes that led to Maudsley getting away from him.

Nationally known use-of-force expert Dave Klinger, a retired Los Angeles police officer and professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, reviewed the dashcam video Friday and noted Maudsley was handcuffed in the front, which he called an "inappropriate" police tactic.

"If you have somebody in custody, you don't put them in a situation where they can escape," Klinger said. "Why in the world was she in a position to run?"

Lorie Frindell, associate criminology professor at the University of South Florida, once worked for the Washington, D.C.-based Police Executive Research Forum, which concluded that fleeing shouldn't be the sole justification for Taser use and that the officer should consider the severity of the offense, the suspect's threat level and the risk of serious injury to the suspect.

Sounds like he might made some mistakes. Damn humans.

Was he reprimanded or fired, sued successfully? If his actions were that egregious I would think he would have at least got written up?

Well, hopefully he doesn't ever give another suspected criminal the ability to move one inch once arrested. He got to go home and nobody was killed during the crime spree.

It's amazing how these expert witnesses tend to lean toward the side that they tend to get paid by as experts most often. Lawyers like to only hire people that will help their case. Saw quite a bit of that in Cleveland over the last few years.
 
C'mon guys, this thread, while it's been interesting to read, was not about good cops vs bad cops, nor was it about use of force, Tasers vs shooting, etc.

IMHO it is about an action that is insulting to our flag, to our country, and to the millions of young men and women who have given their lives to protect what this great country stands for.

Is it perfect? No, but it is a far better place to live and raise a family than any other country on our little planet. And a far better place to raise a family and be able to enjoy all of the things those millions of men and women have given their lives to protect.

The day after tomorrow is Sunday. In our home it's usually an NFL Sunday. Not this week though. I'm building a set of steps that will lead down to the river so people who are not as mobile as I am can go to the river bank without fear of falling. IMHO that's a much more noble cause than watching a bunch of millionaire prima donnas disrespect MY country.
 
Sounds like he might made some mistakes. Damn humans.

Was he reprimanded or fired, sued successfully? If his actions were that egregious I would think he would have at least got written up?

Well, hopefully he doesn't ever give another suspected criminal the ability to move one inch once arrested. He got to go home and nobody was killed during the crime spree.

It's amazing how these expert witnesses tend to lean toward the side that they tend to get paid by as experts most often. Lawyers like to only hire people that will help their case. Saw quite a bit of that in Cleveland over the last few years.

In this case, bad decisions and mistakes were made by both parties...damn humans.

He was cleared by his own department...another case of "we have investigated ourselves and found that we didn't do anything wrong". Lawsuit pending.

Absolutely! Hopefully he follows proper procedures and doesn't let an improperly shackled suspected perpetrator of such a crime spree roam freely around the unlocked front door of the police station. He got to go home and she didn't. The two unattended parked cars she hit earlier in the day were fixed and are currently serving their owners well.

Two of the 3 expert witnesses were retired police or currently working for the police. They haven't even been to court yet, this was just their take on the facts as presented to them in an interview.
 
Kev, I'm going to put my last 2 cents in and I'll let you fly with the final rebuttal.

In this case, bad decisions and mistakes were made by both parties...damn humans.
Yep. I really wish there were no need for cops at all on the planet but that's not real. So I wish the cops we do have were perfect but again, that's not real.

He was cleared by his own department...another case of "we have investigated ourselves and found that we didn't do anything wrong". Lawsuit pending.

If anyone believed that there was some grievous miscarriage of justice, both your local prosecutor and you state attorney general can bring charges against the officer. And even if charges are brought, the Grand Jury may decide against indicting. Thats the precise moment where everyone who thinks the cop should be sentenced to death, starts screaming that the system is rigged.

But the family will probably walk away with around $100k (split with the lawyers) after the settlement. That seems to be about the tipping point for "should we fight this or not" currently. And when the civil suit is "won", the calls for the cops head will start anew again, because the system is rigged.

Absolutely! Hopefully he follows proper procedures and doesn't let an improperly shackled suspected perpetrator of such a crime spree roam freely around the unlocked front door of the police station. He got to go home and she didn't.

Agreed. Two more screw-ups. He should have handled her better and she should not have tried to flee.

The two unattended parked cars she hit earlier in the day were fixed and are currently serving their owners well.
Considering that this happened nearly 4 years ago, I'm going to guess that you personally know the two owners of the cars to know their current condition today!
Hopefully the owners insurance rates didn't go up but we all know how that usually ends up.

At a minimum thankfully she did not hurt or kill anyone.

Two of the 3 expert witnesses were retired police or currently working for the police. They haven't even been to court yet, this was just their take on the facts as presented to them in an interview.

If the Huffington Post wants to roast some cops, they have a group of former cops, experts and professional witnesses on the Rolodex they can dial up that will say exactly what readers of the Huffington Post want to hear.

If FOX wants to clear the same cops they have a group of former cops, experts and professional witnesses on the Rolodex they can dial up that will say exactly what the viewers of Fox want to hear. Trust me on this, I just got done witnessing two years of it. It was to the point of silly. One side would strut out their 'expert' and then the other side would follow suit and this happened multiple times.

Kev, the last word is yours.
Respectfully,
-Mike
 

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