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Kevin (Boater420),

Respectfully, what are the sources for your information? I have a son who is an 18 year veteran of a large California Sheriff's department, my daughter-in-law is a 10 year veteran of law enforcement, I have a good friend here in Louisiana that is a captain in our Parish (County) sheriff's department....I feel that gives me a fairly good handle on much of what goes on inside the policing community....understanding all police departments have some variation in their policy.

You have obviously taken some time and offered a well-thought out response and recommendation. Unfortunately your responses are not that simple but I want to address a few.

  1. Most agencies did away with ticket quotas several years ago.
  2. Since the Rodney King incident some 20 years ago this immunity has been and is being, scrutinized more closely. Is it gone completely? No but improvement has been made. This closely relates to....
  3. The Thin Blue Line as you call it. With the growing amount of hatred towards the police, the cops are relying more and more on their brotherhood for support. Many Cops feel they can no longer get fair treatment outside of the department so they tend more to "stick together" than ever before.
  4. No Comment
  5. Transparency. The "Video" transparency that you speak of is a sore subject. Dash cams and body cams are not the problem. The problem is everyone now has a camera at their fingertips and they video everything in hope of their 15 minutes of fame. They will give, or often sell, the video to the media which often edit it for the content that best suits their interests. You rarely see the full events leading up to the incident. More often the images are posted on social media with no thought of the consequences or interest in the truth. The actions of some police need to be recorded as not every cop is fair, just or operates within department policy.
  6. No comment
  7. The police have had to beef up the hardware to keep up with the crooks. Assault rifles and worse are more readily available to the general population than ever before. I think back to the North Hollywood, CA Bank of America shoot out. The cops were woefully outgunned. They had to go into a nearby sporting goods store and commandeer equal or better firepower.
  8. Checkpoints. No problem with these. BTW a headlight out or a broken tail light IS probable cause.
  9. Unfortunately Racial Profiling is a fact of life. Right or wrong. Even TSA admitted to looking harder a people that looked Middle Eastern.
  10. I agree. Ineffective
While not all of your suggestions are doable....yet, at least you've given it some good thought and offered suggestions unlike the athletes, celebrities and racists that just proclaim somethin has to change. I respect you greatly for that. At least when suggestions are made in the proper forum someone can say something like, "....that's half of a good idea but what if we added this."

There is no easy fix for any of this and in my 67 years on earth it seems like there has always been some sort of dissention in our society. There are too many humans with too many differing viewpoints and making everyone satisfied is becoming harder than ever.
 
When people do not obey lawful orders bad things happen.
Do you really think you should just be able to ignore lawful orders and nothing should happen to you?
What is your solution for people who violently resist arrest as this is the genesis of a majority of complaints.


Yes. But, if you comply with lawful orders, the odds of getting tazed go down dramatically!

Great points here. Comply with an order from the Po-Po and you will go home to your family. You might be a bit bruised, pissed off and a bit humiliated, but you'll get to hug your wife again.

And these same people that are filming and declaring brutality and excessive force want that brutal excessive force-wielding copper to come to their aid when one of their family members is assaulted.
 
When people do not obey lawful orders bad things happen.
Do you really think you should just be able to ignore lawful orders and nothing should happen to you?
What is your solution for people who violently resist arrest?

Whatever they used to do before tasers were invented.

Lets look at the most famous of all taser incidents. The UF student tased at a town hall forum. There were plenty of officers, they had him subdued, there was no officer safety concerns yet he was tased. Was he a violently resisting enough to warrant the taser?

What about the hand-cuffed woman who spit at an officer:

Or the Florida woman who was hand-cuffed and tasered while running away. Do you really think this was what should have happened to a woman who didn't obey the lawful command to stop.

My point here is that this tool is being used more for punitive reasons and compliance, not as an alternative to deadly force, which was it's intended purpose. Law enforcement isn't supposed to deal out the punishment, that's a job for the courts.
 
Whatever they used to do before tasers were invented.

Lets look at the most famous of all taser incidents. The UF student tased at a town hall forum. There were plenty of officers, they had him subdued, there was no officer safety concerns yet he was tased. Was he a violently resisting enough to warrant the taser?

What about the hand-cuffed woman who spit at an officer:

Or the Florida woman who was hand-cuffed and tasered while running away. Do you really think this was what should have happened to a woman who didn't obey the lawful command to stop.

My point here is that this tool is being used more for punitive reasons and compliance, not as an alternative to deadly force, which was it's intended purpose. Law enforcement isn't supposed to deal out the punishment, that's a job for the courts.

Or the tens of thousands of incidents where a taser was successfully deployed so no further escalation was needed? Like I said earlier, there will be mistakes made and perhaps retraining is in order. Definitely better to make a mistake with a taser than with a gun?
 
Well my wife came home today and said a student refused to stand for the pledge of allegiance this morning. The school rule is you must stand. If you do not want to cite the pledge that is up to you but you must stand. A student this morning refused to stand. He said if the NFL doesn't have to then I don't have to. Fine example the NFL is setting! I see this becoming more common and we can thank the NFL for that.
 
Respectfully, what are the sources for your information?
I'm not a mainstream media fan so I tend to read a lot of articles from the independent news organizations and watch user submitted video's by independent journalists. I also have a friend who's been a sheriff now for 15 years here in FL.

There is no easy fix for any of this and in my 67 years on earth it seems like there has always been some sort of dissention in our society. There are too many humans with too many differing viewpoints and making everyone satisfied is becoming harder than ever.

That's our 1%'ers pushing their own agendas by keeping us at war with each other.
 
My point here is that this tool is being used more for punitive reasons and compliance, not as an alternative to deadly force, which was it's intended purpose. Law enforcement isn't supposed to deal out the punishment, that's a job for the courts.

In what percentage of Tazer use cases does this happen?
And do you have any hard facts to back up this assertion?

Although I agree with you 100% that it is not law enforcement's job to to deal out punishment, their job at times does entail protecting themselves and this is especially true during the all to common act of resisting arrest.

And by the way if you charged a police office before Tazers were invented you usually died of lead poisoning.

I could get you a ride along in the fifth district in Cleveland perhaps it would open you a new perspective on all the poor unfortunates that the police are mistreating.

I'm sorry, I just don't think you are being realistic here. There are some incredibly bad people in this world and the police get to deal with them daily. And by bad, I mean evil, not misunderstood.

There are also bad cops and they should be weeded out.
 
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In what percentage of Tazer use cases does this happen?
And do you have any hard facts to back up this assertion?

And by the way if you charged a police office before Tazers were invented you usually died of lead poisoning.

Although I agree with you 100% that it is not law enforcement's job to to deal out punishment, their job at times does entail protecting themselves and this is especially true during the all to common act of resisting arrest.

Did he really need protection? Was this a case of officer safety?

I disagree 100% with dying of lead poisoning for charging an officer. Before tasers an officer needed to see a weapon before a service pistol was drawn and he needed a pretty good reason to shoot someone who was unarmed.
 
Whatever they used to do before tasers were invented.
That would be the PR-24 Baton and a wood shampoo. The Tazer has replaced the baton, it doesn't look near as graphic when a video of a taser being used shows up on Youtube.
 
Kevin, I'm fairly certain that if I went to YouTube I could find hundreds of vids where Tasers were misapplied. What I wouldn't find would be the thousands of videos where they were used properly. There's no "joy" in posting a video of a guy being tased when he deserved it. Nobody can ridicule the cops for doing it the right way.

It would appear you have chosen to select vids from the small percentage of Taser misapplications to somehow make your point more effectively.

I think most of the people on CSR are smart enough to see that and know that in the vast majority of situations where a Taser is deployed, that it's done correctly and judiciously.
 
Kevin, I'm fairly certain that if I went to YouTube I could find hundreds of vids where Tasers were misapplied. What I wouldn't find would be the thousands of videos where they were used properly. There's no "joy" in posting a video of a guy being tased when he deserved it. Nobody can ridicule the cops for doing it the right way.

It would appear you have chosen to select vids from the small percentage of Taser misapplications to somehow make your point more effectively.

I think most of the people on CSR are smart enough to see that and know that in the vast majority of situations where a Taser is deployed, that it's done correctly and judiciously.

I never said there weren't judicious taser deployments. To assume that every officer abuses his taser would be ludicrous. I just supplied evidence to support my statement that abuse existed and the propensity for abuse was far greater than that of the service revolver or baton.
 
My point here is that this tool is being used more for punitive reasons and compliance, not as an alternative to deadly force, which was it's intended purpose. Law enforcement isn't supposed to deal out the punishment, that's a job for the courts.

Understood
 
You wouldn't happen to know the guy's name in the video would you?

I love to shake his hand and buy him a beer or two
 
25 years as a professional Firefighter/Paramedic and I get to attend a lot of what you see on the evening news. I spent about an hour of my morning today at a shooting scene (bad guys shooting bad guys).

The vast majority of people on the receiving end of police "brutality" (as some call it), are not nice people minding their own business.
 
isagree 100% with dying of lead poisoning for charging an officer. Before tasers an officer needed to see a weapon before a service pistol was drawn and he needed a pretty good reason to shoot someone who was unarmed.

My God - why are you assuming the guy is unarmed? I don't think you will find anyone who would condone shooting an unarmed man!?
 
And by the way if you charged a police office before Tazers were invented you usually died of lead poisoning.
I interpreted the word charged as being rushed up on, like when a confrontation begins.

Why would an officer pull a taser against a gun or knife? That doesn't make sense. The only way an officer pulls a taser is if the suspect isn't armed.
 
I think that this is spot on!


Enjoy! I sure did!
 

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