How I became a 2009 270 Sundancer owner...

Discussion in 'Who's Who' started by Kaoru, Dec 5, 2009.

  1. Away Point

    Away Point New Member

    290
    Apr 24, 2009
    Lake St. Clair, MI
    330 Sundancer
    Big, Gas Lovin', American V-8's :-)
    Great story! Congratulations!!

    Glad I didn't see this thread until the final purchase phase chapter was already written. lol
     
  2. Kaoru

    Kaoru Member

    120
    Jul 20, 2009
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2009 270 Sundancer w/ Zodiac 240 Air Cadet
    C70 Ray240 RD218 STV33 DSM30 SPX10/ST70 CLB1000 iMux W35
    350 Mag Mercruiser w/Bravo III, Side-Power SE40 bow thruster, Kohler 5ECD, 4HP Mercury
    Does that mean if I start the official 270DA thread it will be short lived? :lol:

    Cheers,
    Kaoru
     
  3. Kaoru

    Kaoru Member

    120
    Jul 20, 2009
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2009 270 Sundancer w/ Zodiac 240 Air Cadet
    C70 Ray240 RD218 STV33 DSM30 SPX10/ST70 CLB1000 iMux W35
    350 Mag Mercruiser w/Bravo III, Side-Power SE40 bow thruster, Kohler 5ECD, 4HP Mercury
    It's a giant deformed marshmallow!

    As a prologue to my acquisition story, my 270DA now looks like a giant deformed marshmallow on jack stands as the boating season has been officially closed since the end of October. Of course, the Rideau Canal water level has been lowered for winter. Though I took delivery of my 2009 Sea Ray 270 Sundancer late in the boating season, at least I got a few weeks of use and enjoyment. Of course, the downside is that I didn't get my fill of my new toy and now I'm eagerly awaiting spring to arrive so that I can commission "Summer Dreams", my boat's official name. Going through the pictures I took in the brief time I was on the water was my muse for all my posts.

    In my last post I said that it was the beginning of a new story and I wasn't kidding. It's not much of a story as it's more a learning experience. It starts with our impromptu trip, traveling south down the Rideau Canal, towards Smith Falls for the Thanksgiving weekend (in Canada that was October 10th to 12th).
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    We were cruising at about 10 kph, enjoying the scenery as the above picture shows. My wife Maria is down below chilling in the mid-cabin and Catherine is playing World of Warcraft on her laptop. Of course, temporarily installing 3G wireless/wi-fi sort of throws one of my arguments overboard; hope that the wife will let that slide. :wink: Just after the above picture was taken, I got a warning alarm on the generator then it shutdown. The error code that was flashing on the controller's LED two digit display was L6. Of course, I pulled out the 4 inch thick owner manuals for the boat (I'm not kidding about the manual being 4" thick; Sea Ray really has to cut this down). For the generator, there were lots of codes but I be damned if I could find out what L6 was. I decided to anchor and check in the bilge.

    Of course, to access the bilge the entire back of the boat lifts up by an electric lift. This is my first time opening the engine hatch to the bilge, by myself that is. I unlocked the hatch and pushed the hatch lift rocker at the helm. Nothing happens. I check to that I did everything right and still nothing happens. I was at a loss so I decided to radio the marina to ask them what is an L6 code on the generator. Of course, being a new 2009 model they were not familiar with the systems. What to do? I can't continue the trip without the generator so I pulled anchor and started heading back to the marina. Then it donned on me to check the fuse panel. Sure enough the fuse to the hatch blew. One mystery solved but I have no replacement fuse (a suggestion to those who own brand new boats, get some extra fuses) so I was still headed back to the marina.

    Just as we were approaching the gas bar at the marina, the master alarm on the SmartCraft diagnostics went off. No gear lube/oil pressure. Docking was interesting as I shutdown the engine, obviously not wanting to break my new toy. I went to service to get a fuse and tell them about the lack of gear lube/oil. When I mentioned it, the service guy goes "you have a Bravo III stern drive right?" I say yes. He says, "always keep a extra bottle on hand because the Bravo III goes through lube quickly". Now they tell me... Lucky I didn't go far.

    So I replace the fuse and open the hatch. Yep, no gear lube so I fill it up and have a spare bottle on hand. Of course, I made a mental note to keep an eye on the lube level just in case there is a functional problem, i.e. bad seal. I'm guessing that there was air in the drive which eventually bubbled up lowering the level. Again something that only time and use will tell.

    Now back to the generator, I check everything including the raw water intake strainer. It's blocked with water weeds so I clean it out and check everything before I reset/clear the error code. As I was staring at the readout, it dawned on me. The code was not L6 but Lb, (L)ine (b)locked which was a error code in the manual. I felt really stupid at that moment. Sure enough, I started everything up and resumed our trip.

    Unfortunately, a good few hours were expended which meant making the next set of locks impractical. No matter as I was just happy to be out on the water and that the family was having a good time. Of course, the weather was off and on but once and while the view from the helm was breathtaking as the below pictures shows.
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    Of course, Maria and Catherine were down below enjoying themselves. Catherine helped herself to the munchies I brought on board (ate all the sour cream Pringles :smt013) and pretty much used up all my monthly bandwidth playing WoW.
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    My wife was very happy to relax and read her books. In the evening, we all piled into the V-berth for a movie night out on the water. With the cabin speakers (hidden at the front of the cabin) and the TV speakers (which is tied into the sound system), it was like a mini-home theater.
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    Suffice to say that we had a Happy Thanksgiving out on the water.

    Cheers,
    Kaoru
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2009
  4. JV II

    JV II Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 17, 2007
    Newport, RI
    2016 50 Fly
    Volvo Penta D11
    You should start "The official 2009-2015 270/280DA thread."

    Not to worry you, but I never lost a drop of gear lube on 4 Bravo III drives. You have at least a 2 year warranty on that, so don't let it go if it leaks. More likely, it wasn't filled fully.

    Don't forget to open your transom door before lifting the hatch. On most boats, there is a lockout switch to prevent the hatch opening and ripping off the transom door. Also, don't do it with the canvas up. Replacing snaps is a pain (yes, I paid the stupid tax on that one).

    You'll have fun reading that manual over the winter. The Kohler manual did not show an L6 error code, but did have an LB code for low battery. Make sure you run the generator with some load, like the A/C, water heater, and always the battery charger switched on.

    Make sure you know how your main battery switches work and never turn them with your engines running. Take a basic boat safety course this winter.

    You have a lot to learn. Read, read, and read more. Go through this site and ask lots of questions. Don't pay the stupid tax. That is what makes boating so expensive.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2009
  5. Kaoru

    Kaoru Member

    120
    Jul 20, 2009
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2009 270 Sundancer w/ Zodiac 240 Air Cadet
    C70 Ray240 RD218 STV33 DSM30 SPX10/ST70 CLB1000 iMux W35
    350 Mag Mercruiser w/Bravo III, Side-Power SE40 bow thruster, Kohler 5ECD, 4HP Mercury
    Merry Christmas to all! May your holidays be a good one... and if your missing your cruiser like I am, don't dismay just like Christmas spring commissioning will come... :grin:

    Cheers
    Kaoru
     
  6. bjac

    bjac Member SILVER Sponsor

    212
    Jul 13, 2008
    Kingston, Ontario, Canada
    2004 Sea Ray 320 Sundancer
    Twin 350 Mag MPI 300hp w/Bravo III Drives
    First of all let me add my congrats to "Kaoru". We as well purchased our 2008 Sundancer 260 new from Hurst. I'm sure you will have many hours of enjoyment on the Rideau and elsewhere. We love our boat and the time spent on her.

    "JV" I'm surprised at your comment on not switching the batteries while the engine is running. That's what we always do. We use the primary (no. 1) battery for starting only, then once underway we switch back to both to consistently charge both batteries. If we anchor out or sit docked without shore power we then always switch to No. 2 battery and save the primary only for starting. We were instructed to do this by the Captain from Hurst that trained us on our boat when we bought it. If we are doing something wrong, nothing so far has come of it battery wise, and we always have two fully charged batteries.

    Bill

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  7. Daddubo

    Daddubo New Member

    Oct 13, 2009
    ILLINOIS / Chain O Lakes
    Really Nice for a 97
    40 HP Force
    Well sort of. After being out of boating for 10yrs my wife and I decided to get another one so we started looking at 230da's but she said it was to small so I found a 88 28' Well craft Antigua she said she liked it so I made the deal and went for a sea trial I climbed in the engine compartment and found a lot of rot in the transom and bulkhead canceled that deal. We looked at a 270 Brokerage boat and loved it then we decided that we didn't wan to be stuck in one body of water so we continued the hunt then on a Friday at 2pm I found a new ad for a 268 called him to send pictures by 4pm I called made a appointment to meet him at 8am on Saturday 250 mi away the wife said she wasn't going to get up at 2am to ride 250mi to look at a boat she just said you know what I want by 9am we made a deal and the rest is history.

    Karou I know what you were going through when I had my 24' Formula the wife hated it when it got ruff on the water or when I put the hammer down, so she loved it when I told her that the cruiser won't go that fast now she can't wait I even let her name the boat "It's All About The Fun".
     
  8. Kaoru

    Kaoru Member

    120
    Jul 20, 2009
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2009 270 Sundancer w/ Zodiac 240 Air Cadet
    C70 Ray240 RD218 STV33 DSM30 SPX10/ST70 CLB1000 iMux W35
    350 Mag Mercruiser w/Bravo III, Side-Power SE40 bow thruster, Kohler 5ECD, 4HP Mercury
    I'm surprised that your switching batteries while running. On my battery switch, there's a huge warning sticker about switching batteries while running. As I understand it, you can damage your alternator and/or 12V systems if you switch batteries while running; there could be a huge power spike/surge.

    Cheers,
    Kaoru
     
  9. chuck1

    chuck1 Super Moderator TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 3, 2006
    North GA Mountains
    Looking For Next One
    Looking For Next One
    Only if you turn it to the off position. Switching it between 1,2 or both is not a problem on the newer switches.


     
  10. Kaoru

    Kaoru Member

    120
    Jul 20, 2009
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2009 270 Sundancer w/ Zodiac 240 Air Cadet
    C70 Ray240 RD218 STV33 DSM30 SPX10/ST70 CLB1000 iMux W35
    350 Mag Mercruiser w/Bravo III, Side-Power SE40 bow thruster, Kohler 5ECD, 4HP Mercury
    Actually, that explains a lot because I always wondered why there was a four position switch in the first place. It now makes sense to start/run the engine with one or both, but when anchored to switch to only one battery. Though I would be interested to know if the genny/shore power will charge both battery's regardless of the switch position.

    Cheers,
    Kaoru
     
  11. electricaldoctor

    electricaldoctor Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    May 14, 2008
    Thousand Islands, Rockport, Ontario.
    1988 390 EC
    454 Mercruiser Gassers
    Re: How I became a 2009 270 Sundancer owner... Done Deal.


    Great story Kaoru with a super ending. I just have one question for you. Does your wife know about CSR? :huh:

    ~Ken
     
  12. Jimmy Buoy

    Jimmy Buoy Active Member

    Dec 3, 2008
    Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
    340 Amberjack
    twin 8.1S 370 Hp + 4.5 Westerbeke Genset
    Thanks for the great story.

    That "cottage" angle worked well for me - and really it's true. Friends of ours have a cottage that takes 7hrs of driving to get there and it seems to be a money pit as well. We went with them one long weekend and with all the driving it really wasn't worth it. Upon arriving, a thunderstorm knocked out all the power - now he needs to buy a large generator. His crapper starting stinking big time since there is an exhaust fan that constantly pulls air into the thing and vents out the stack - no power, no fan!:smt013
    He had to buy an aluminum fishing boat/motor to enjoy the lake, but then had to spend $$$ on a new dock! Let's not even talk about maintenance due to the many tree branches/leaves damaging the roof, and staining the deck each year $$$... well, you get the idea.:lol:

    Our floating cottage is 10min from our home, with a great water front view, came with a generator, the marina takes care of dock/deck maintenance, and if we want a change of scenery just fire up them two bad boys in the ER and cruise!:thumbsup:
     
  13. Kaoru

    Kaoru Member

    120
    Jul 20, 2009
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2009 270 Sundancer w/ Zodiac 240 Air Cadet
    C70 Ray240 RD218 STV33 DSM30 SPX10/ST70 CLB1000 iMux W35
    350 Mag Mercruiser w/Bravo III, Side-Power SE40 bow thruster, Kohler 5ECD, 4HP Mercury
    Re: How I became a 2009 270 Sundancer owner... Done Deal.

    Yep! And she had a good laugh, as well as nit pick the details... :grin: Actually, she can't wait for spring... As I said to her, in my best Yoda voice, "no more training do you require. Already know you that which you need."

    She responded back, "this one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things." :smt043

    Cheers & Merry Xmas,
    Kaoru
     
  14. sb in gp

    sb in gp Member SILVER Sponsor

    743
    Oct 10, 2006
    Grosse Pointe, MI
    44 Sedan Bridge 2006
    Cummins QSC-500
    Re: How I became a 2009 270 Sundancer owner... Done Deal.

    Good god you are a geek! I just watched Empire Strikes Back with one of my kids earlier this week for about the 20th time. It annoys them when I say the lines while it plays.

    If you can laugh at your geekiness, then you'll find this skit funny:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugk37TvIR8E
     
  15. jeremyandalison

    jeremyandalison New Member

    72
    Apr 20, 2009
    Ivy Lea Ontario - Thousand Islands Region
    300 Sundancer 2006 (2009 to present)
    260 Sundancer 2003 (2009 to 2009)
    5.0L Mercruiser/BIII
    Great Story!

    Just thought I'd say hi because I live in Merrickville and will keep an eye out for your 270. We did the two boat thing this year as well - bought a 260DA in May and then moved up to a 300 in September, which I haven't been able to get out yet.

    Hope you make it down to the 1000 Islands this summer!
     
  16. Kaoru

    Kaoru Member

    120
    Jul 20, 2009
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2009 270 Sundancer w/ Zodiac 240 Air Cadet
    C70 Ray240 RD218 STV33 DSM30 SPX10/ST70 CLB1000 iMux W35
    350 Mag Mercruiser w/Bravo III, Side-Power SE40 bow thruster, Kohler 5ECD, 4HP Mercury
    So... I'm staring out my window at work, watching the rain come down and the +6 C melt the snow. My next thought was "I hope it's an early spring!". Then I realize this is Canada... when ever you think the weather is co-operating, you end up jinxing it. Arrggg! I just want to be out on my boat! :smt021 Instead I'm stuck at work, on shift work no less because of the Olympics, waiting for spring...

    At least I got my slip picked out and ready to go...

    Cheers,
    Kaoru
     
  17. Rono007

    Rono007 New Member

    796
    Dec 17, 2009
    Danbury, CT
    2001 SR 230BR Signature Series
    7.4L Bravo III
    Very nice story and very well written.

    Congratulations!

    My story would be the same with the exception that we went out in a neighbor's 19' on our lake last summer and we got bounced a lot. We wanted a boat, and a 19' was in our price range. My wife didn't want to get bounced, so we found a way to get a 23' to start (about $10K more). This will be our frist season with it, and one day, I will be writing a story like yours (with some hope and luck).

    Thanks again for the story.
     
  18. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    Just found this thread. Good reading.

    I didn't quite go that cottage route, but close. Two years ago we decided to get back into boating and were headed toward the used 260 Sundancer route (hoping to get it for around $50K-$60K). To make the story short we ended up buying a small second home on the sea islands of Beaufort, SC and buying 2009 175 Sport that was about 2 months used. Its an 8-hour drive from our base home, but the small population plus plentiful waterways makes for a lot of unbothered hours on the water. Right now we love it. Maybe one day we'll sell them both and get the floating second home.
     
  19. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    You do know that this is a disease, don't you. You apparently have contracted a rather virulent strain since you've owned 2 new boats in the same year.

    The disease is called "3-footitis". My story began with an 8 ft hydroplane I built in my parents garage and now I'm up to 45 ft.

    Wonder where you'll end up and what the next step is going to be?
     
  20. searay268sundancerboy

    searay268sundancerboy New Member

    13
    Jan 24, 2010
    chain of lakes
    1989 sea ray 268 sundancer 7.4 mercruiser
    454 mercruiser bravo 3
    I like your new 270. i just got a boat as a gift from a friend of mine thats terrified of water. he inhereted it from his dad so not like he bought it to get over his fear of water. anyway its a 1989 sea ray 268 sundancer. its like new with only 150 hours on it. it really is a nice boat, but i kinda wanted to withdraw the money from a tax free fund if i waited until 55 and buy a new one and simply not pay any tax to the feds, they dont deserve my money anyway and not have any money for retirement since the new boats are so sweet. cant wait until spring here in chicagoland area anyway to play with my new toy
     

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