Harassment from Marine Electronics

Four Suns

Four Suns

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Oct 4, 2006
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2003 480 DB
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QSM-11 Diesels
Does everyone know about cashier harassment? You go to check out of the supermarket and the cashier asks "Do you have a VIC card? Do you have coupons? Would you like to open a credit card? Do you have a frequent parking pass? blah blah blah"... 900 questions to buy a damn toothbrush and a peach.

So I've had the opportunity to mess around with some new Raymarine G series stuff and GEE WHIZ! Setting the auto pilot takes a dang act of congress and three written affidavits. "Do you accept the terms of usage?" "Are you sure you want to engage autopilot?" "Are you sure course is correct?" "Do want to change heading?" "Does your daughter have herpes?" By the time you accept everything and wait 5 seconds for it to engage, you've run aground. It's obscene.

Are all the new systems like this? And before you say "The lawyers caused this" I call BS. There is not "regulation" on this stuff. Looks like inexperienced dorks putting stuff together. My old system (Raymarine 80CRC thing) does not interrogate me like a nagging woman when I want to go to a new heading...

And the touch "iPad" like interface? Go offshore and try to use that... impossible. You try and put the cursor to a point you want to make a waypoint and it takes 18 tries and you touch everything from the Bahamas to Maine.
 
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Simrad does not do this. There is one "acceptance" screen at the boot up and then it just runs.
 
I have a new Raymarine e-series MFD plotter/bottom machine and I get one question but 3 screens to plod thru when it starts up. I found it slow and irritating enough to ask Raymarine about it thru my dealer who is a master dealer for them. That seems standard with the touch screen equipment because one can in accidently brush the screen and change a major setting. Everyone wanted the gee-whizz electronics so pay the price and hush.

My system is hybrid meaning that I still have basically a B&G/Furuno panel (just had a 16 year old Furuno plotter die) so I had to use NMEA 0183 interfaces to integrate t he e-127 into the existing A/P, radar and GPS network. It takes 2 sec for my AP to lock on a waypoint. SO while the newer NMEA or SeaTalk networks may transmit data faster, there are probably something like 1600 miles of wiring and cabling utilized in what you were running.
 
Raymarine is more scared of Lawyers than anyone else making electronics. :)

If you run a NMEA 0183/2000 autopilot - you will get waypoint arrival alarms on both your AP and on the Raymarine. You can't disable them on the Raymarine and you have to press "accept" on it to silence it. That was one (in many) of the reasons I "decommissioned" my new Raymarine c97 and put in Simrad/Lowrance combo. On Garmin / Simrad / Lowrance you can modify waypoint arrival alarms or even completely silence them.
 
Four Suns said:
Does everyone know about cashier harassment? You go to check out of the supermarket and the cashier asks "Do you have a VIC card? Do you have coupons? Would you like to open a credit card? Do you have a frequent parking pass? blah blah blah"... 900 questions to buy a damn toothbrush and a peach.

So I've had the opportunity to mess around with some new Raymarine G series stuff and GEE WHIZ! Setting the auto pilot takes a dang act of congress and three written affidavits. "Do you accept the terms of usage?" "Are you sure you want to engage autopilot?" "Are you sure course is correct?" "Do want to change heading?" "Does your daughter have herpes?" By the time you accept everything and wait 5 seconds for it to engage, you've run aground. It's obscene.

Are all the new systems like this? And before you say "The lawyers caused this" I call BS. There is not "regulation" on this stuff. Looks like inexperienced dorks putting stuff together. My old system (Raymarine 80CRC thing) does not interrogate me like a nagging woman when I want to go to a new heading...

And the touch "iPad" like interface? Go offshore and try to use that... impossible. You try and put the cursor to a point you want to make a waypoint and it takes 18 tries and you touch everything from the Bahamas to Maine.
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Have you tried this without your arm sling? I have the latest Raymarine stuff on my boat if you would like to stop in and play with it a bit before you consider the purchase of an L-650 Super Fly with those electronics installed.

And, have you gotten off that boat yet?


PS

Shania said "Hey".

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Rick
Did she flip you her room key?
 
I installed the Raymarine e series touch and any function that can be done on the touch screen can also be done with the buttons and knobs for that exact reason. If your in rough water, no way can you use the touch screen. I'm almost certain you can also lock out the touch screen so you don't accidentally brush the screen in rough seas. My biggest problem is the bouy icons are so dam small, you can't distinguish them from the depth numbers! The older e series I have shows large bouy markers at any range. Why wouldn't they make the icon size adjustable?.. I don't think the guys developing this stuff actually use it.......
 
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Why wouldn't they make the icon size adjustable?.. I don't think the guys developing this stuff actually use it.......
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Exactly.... and I don't have Shania around to push my buttons.
 
These are the exact reasons I chose the Simrad NSE series over the NSS touchscreen version - utility in rough conditions, and I can't stand grubby fingerprints on my displays. I'm anal about fingerprints on glass......

As to harassment, my favorite is the ubiquitous cell phone answering service that takes 20 minutes before you can actually leave a F%^&*$# message - "if you'd like to leave a call back number, press 5".........

Oh, and it looks like Rick's male companion got to shake her hand, at least.

Dale
 
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My Garmin allows for changing the size of the icons. Are you certain you can't adjust them on the Ray?
 
Her loss.
 
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