Guns on your boat

  • Jamie Gilt, 31, was driving with her son, 4, through Putnam County, Florida
  • The child picked up a loaded .45 handgun from the back seat and fired
  • Gilt was shot and wounded after the round passed through the truck's seat
  • Just 24 hours earlier, she posted about her toddler's shooting ability
  • She wrote: ''Even my 4 year old gets jacked up to target shoot with the .22'
yeah guns are great
 
JV II said:
In fact, the murder rate in the US is one of the lowest in the world. People don't just get killed by guns. Eliminate the half a dozen worst liberal controlled and gun controlled Hell holes in the US and we are Utopia. So, what is all this talk of gun control?

If someone tells me that my guns and use should be controlled further because a 14 year-old gang member in Detroit left his stolen 50 year-old gun on the coffee table and his 6 year-old brother shot his friend, I'm going to disagree with that. If someone tells me that my guns and use should be controlled further because some drug dealer in Chicago shot the child of another drug dealer with a stolen gun in revenge, I'm going to disagree with that. If someone tells me that my guns and use should be controlled further because Tamerlan Tsarnaev needed to be put down after killing a police officer, shooting at cops chasing him, and throwing bombs at them, I'm going to disagree with that. If someone tells me my guns and use should be controlled further because the ATF allowed Mexican drug cartels to procure firearms that were subsequently used to kill thousands of innocent Mexicans and a border control agent, I'm going to disagree with that. It is wrong to use these situations to make it more difficult for me to buy and use guns for all lawful purposes when I have an inalienable God given right to bear arms.

The armchair quarterbacks here are offering their uninformed erroneous opinions against law abiding citizens exercising their Second Amendment God given rights. The uninformed armchair quarterbacks are making inaccurate assumptions and statements about law abiding citizens in their bearing of arms and drawing parallels between their peaceful Utopian societies and the conditions in the US. The armchair quarterbacks are proposing that I and other law abiding, gun owning Americans are somehow responsible and need to be controlled for the unlawful behavior of criminals and the mentally ill. It is equally wrong to prop up gun violence statistics FOR THE PURPOSE OF GUN CONTROL THAT ONLY AFFECTS LAW ABIDING CITIZENS with incidents where lives were saved using firearms. Justifiable homicides have been used to prop up "gun violence" statistics toward the motive to disarm law abiding citizens. Until nobody can have guns, everybody has the right to have guns (at least in the US), whether or not that is agreed upon.
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second best post by a very close margin.
 
Boater420 said:
That argument is so weak!

I've actually used my fire extinguisher and my carbon-monoxide alarm has sounded. However, not one person in this forum has ever had the need to use their weapon on the boat. I've waited patiently for one sound example of a person who actually needed and used their weapon on a boat and ....NOTHING! A global forum and nobody has chimed in with a story about actually having to use their weapon. Why? You would figure with all this mayhem and chaos on the water someone would have come across one bad guy by now they had to dispatch in some sort of violent conflict?
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Count how many people are on this thread. How many of your neighbors bordering your property have paid for fire insurance in the last 10 years? How many of them have put in a claim for a fire loss? If you have a mortgage, you are required to have fire insurance. Think about that for a while. I would definitely encourage you to get fire insurance for your home, but I would strongly discourage you from even thinking about getting a gun for self-protection. It is not for everyone. That is as certain as there will be 2 people murdered in the 2 minutes I wrote this.
 
JV II said:
And we've come full circle making several of my points. Thank you for pointing out the need to use the Second Amendment, which was created to defend against a tyrannical government, for self-protection.

Now, where would the US rank if from those statistics you eliminate the most crime ridden, liberal, gun-controlled cities of Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, NYC, St. Louis, and Washington DC? All the way down near 200. BTW, most of those cities are on the waters we boat. We are right back to the decay of society.

If you are really bored, count how many countries on the homicide rate list, above the US, have strict gun control. How is that even possible?
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Firstly, let me have your understanding of the your expressions "strict gun control" and "gun-controlled cities".
 
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Boater420 said:
I beg to differ. Most statistics are skewed to support the presenter's side of the argument.
Basically, this whole thread is nothing more than a statistical shouting match with each side presenting the information that will best shore up their argument.
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I've seen no plausable statistics or articles from the pro second amendment side of the debate only isolated situations with a good spoonful of drama by certain posters :huh:.
 
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juggernaut1 said:
Firstly, let me have your understanding of the your expressions "strict gun control" and "gun-controlled cities".
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Based on your previous posts, I don't believe you are asking because you are interested in learning. I need to see some understanding before I offer any additional help. I've offered a tremendous amount of factual information to think about and validate.
 
JV II said:
Based on your previous posts, I don't believe you are asking because you are interested in learning. I need to see some understanding before I offer any additional help. I've offered a tremendous amount of factual information to think about and validate.
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Typical baseless response from someone pushing an agenda. If my "understanding" doesn't accord with yours then maybe your not presenting your "tremendous amount of factual information" in the best way.

I asked the question I did for valid reasons so I can offer a reasonable response rather than "shoot from the hip" based on a "belief". But heck I reckon your avoiding the question because the response won't suit you.
 
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Typical baseless response from someone pushing an agenda. If my "understanding" doesn't accord with yours then maybe your not presenting your "tremendous amount of factual information" in the best way.
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Or, you are not capable of understanding, which is my assessment purely based on your posts. If true, that is perfectly okay. I must assume you are not an American, don't know much about America, and don't live in America. I am an American and although discouraged by our recent leadership and direction, I am proud to be an American. I have family in other countries. I realize there are great differences in cultures that can never be understood by foreigners. I take the perspective that what works in their country is good for them, if that is what they want. When I travel, I respect their laws, government, and values. That is not what I'm hearing from you, but it is nothing new. At this point it is best to cut my losses with you. I really only came this far for others reading this thread.
 
Here's a guy from Vicksburg, MS who probably is alive today only because he had a gun in his house for the protection of himself and his family.....

"Miss. homeowner kills escaped murder suspect after week-long manhunt"

The dead guy escaped from jail and eluded police for a week. Then he broke into the wrong house. I wonder if he realized just before he died how much he'd f'd up?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/10/chief-says-dead-intruder-may-be-escaped-murder-suspect.html
 
I carry when traveling back and forth to the boat. We live in AZ, travel to Southern CA where we keep the boat. Once we arrive at the boat, I separate the firearm from the ammunition. They are locked and stored in 2 completely opposite places when we arrive at destination in CA.

We always drive as a family to the boat and usually head to CA once the kids get out of school on a Thursday or Friday afternoon. With as close as the highway gets to Mexico, I want to have some level of protection if we're stopped for whatever reason (car trouble, accident, road closure). I don't carry enough ammo to take on the cartel, just a couple mags, but if I am unable to escape a situation, I can at least go down with a fight. My first line of defense with my family is always flee. That may sound like the coward thing to some, but I'm not carrying to be a hero, just get out of the worst-case scenario that could possibly be thrown at me. For me, worst-case is not being able to escape/flight from a situation.

If I ever had to get the firearm and ammo together when it is stored on the boat, it wouldn't be a 5 second thing, but within 20 seconds I could have it ready. That extra time are some long seconds to really assess the situation to know if it's really needed or not.
 
JV II said:
I need to see some understanding before I offer any additional help. I've offered a tremendous amount of factual information to think about and validate.
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Thanks much for this attitude because it opens a possibility to learn from each other , at least me. It might be right me or others do not fully understand the regarding laws in usa and also the level of dangers in your country.

In germany where i live every person has the right to defend its Life, health and honor with the "least practical force". This also apply to defend anybody else life. The tricky part : doing this by a gun is not mentioned in any law for a normal civilian , just in laws for security forces ( e.g bodyguard ) . This regards to the fact only a very minor part of the citizens are armed and further posessing a gun in germany needs a legal reason . The only legal reasons for civilian are being a hunter with a hunting licence or a sport shooter. Self defence against humans is so NOT a legal reason here and the Last thing the state wants are civilians sorting out any kind of trouble
by shootings. so when i use my gun which i posess legal for hunting in a home defence scenario i,m outside any envelope of law. when somebody enters my home and i shoot him i would have to explain in front of court that i was in immediate risk of my Life AND the death of the Attacker was the least practical force to use my right to defend my or my wifes life.

In practical terms its nearly impossible to proof this infront of a court and the victim with a gun in his hand is quickly more criminal than the attacker.

Lets assume the following : somebody enters your home, pulls you out of bed, uses physical force against you to force you say him where you have your money stored - and you in response put a hole in his head. Are you covered by us laws in this case ? in germany you would be straight way to prison because he wanted to take your money and you took his life , his physical force against you was not a try to murder you but only to force you telling him where you have the money stored.

In usa the police would arrive and say " well done dude" ???
 
Magic34 said:
I carry when traveling back and forth to the boat. We live in AZ, travel to Southern CA where we keep the boat. Once we arrive at the boat, I separate the firearm from the ammunition. They are locked and stored in 2 completely opposite places when we arrive at destination in CA.

We always drive as a family to the boat and usually head to CA once the kids get out of school on a Thursday or Friday afternoon. With as close as the highway gets to Mexico, I want to have some level of protection if we're stopped for whatever reason (car trouble, accident, road closure). I don't carry enough ammo to take on the cartel, just a couple mags, but if I am unable to escape a situation, I can at least go down with a fight. My first line of defense with my family is always flee. That may sound like the coward thing to some, but I'm not carrying to be a hero, just get out of the worst-case scenario that could possibly be thrown at me. For me, worst-case is not being able to escape/flight from a situation.

If I ever had to get the firearm and ammo together when it is stored on the boat, it wouldn't be a 5 second thing, but within 20 seconds I could have it ready. That extra time are some long seconds to really assess the situation to know if it's really needed or not.
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I live in Melbourne, Australia and have never seen a gun other than on TV.
When we go boating I lock my car doors on the way to the marina.
Funnily enough I don't carry any "ammo"
The only thing I'm "packin" is ice, beer, bait, and sandwiches.
I'm not judging, but holy **** that whole 2nd amendment thing is out of control.

From what I'm reading perhaps we do live in utopia, however unfortunately you guys seem to be past the point of no return.

i don't mean any disrespect but we live in different places with different cultures.
 
I tell you what meathead, since you have never seen a gun in person, I invite you to come to the USA and stay at my place in northern Virginia. I live a few miles from the NRA headquarters, where they have a wonderful firing range. You can take some safety classes and then we can fire off some rounds from several different firearms. This may take away some of the fear of the unknown.

After we have taken safe firearms handling classes, had range time, and toured the NRA museaum, we can take a field trip to some gun free zones. We can start by travelling about 20 miles to Anacostia SE Washington. I have an acquaintance who goes by "Zeke" who can be our tour guide. We can roll with his crew so we can have a front row seat to urban culture and gun violence. Zeke's friend "Diamond" can provide us with a safe observation post while we watch people shooting, stabbing, or setting each other on fire. After we have had our fill, we can continue to other urban gun free war zones until you understand the nature of the threat law abiding citizens face.

You may find that the most gun friendly areas are the most polite, with the lowest crime, while the most gun restrictive areas have the highest crime rates.

This is a serious open invitation, not a joke. I only hope you can learn to understand the differences between our nation and yours.
 
aerobat77 said:
Thanks much for this attitude because it opens a possibility to learn from each other , at least me. It might be right me or others do not fully understand the regarding laws in usa and also the level of dangers in your country.

In germany where i live every person has the right to defend its Life, health and honor with the "least practical force". This also apply to defend anybody else life. The tricky part : doing this by a gun is not mentioned in any law for a normal civilian , just in laws for security forces ( e.g bodyguard ) . This regards to the fact only a very minor part of the citizens are armed and further posessing a gun in germany needs a legal reason . The only legal reasons for civilian are being a hunter with a hunting licence or a sport shooter. Self defence against humans is so NOT a legal reason here and the Last thing the state wants are civilians sorting out any kind of trouble
by shootings. so when i use my gun which i posess legal for hunting in a home defence scenario i,m outside any envelope of law. when somebody enters my home and i shoot him i would have to explain in front of court that i was in immediate risk of my Life AND the death of the Attacker was the least practical force to use my right to defend my or my wifes life.

In practical terms its nearly impossible to proof this infront of a court and the victim with a gun in his hand is quickly more criminal than the attacker.

Lets assume the following : somebody enters your home, pulls you out of bed, uses physical force against you to force you say him where you have your money stored - and you in response put a hole in his head. Are you covered by us laws in this case ? in germany you would be straight way to prison because he wanted to take your money and you took his life , his physical force against you was not a try to murder you but only to force you telling him where you have the money stored.

In usa the police would arrive and say " well done dude" ???
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Thanks for the question. Here's how it is in the United States:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
 
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blaster said:
I tell you what meathead, since you have never seen a gun in person, I invite you to come to the USA and stay at my place in northern Virginia. I live a few miles from the NRA headquarters, where they have a wonderful firing range. You can take some safety classes and then we can fire off some rounds from several different firearms. This may take away some of the fear of the unknown.

After we have taken safe firearms handling classes, had range time, and toured the NRA museaum, we can take a field trip to some gun free zones. We can start by travelling about 20 miles to Anacostia SE Washington. I have an acquaintance who goes by "Zeke" who can be our tour guide. We can roll with his crew so we can have a front row seat to urban culture and gun violence. Zeke's friend "Diamond" can provide us with a safe observation post while we watch people shooting, stabbing, or setting each other on fire. After we have had our fill, we can continue to other urban gun free war zones until you understand the nature of the threat law abiding citizens face.

You may find that the most gun friendly areas are the most polite, with the lowest crime, while the most gun restrictive areas have the highest crime rates.

This is a serious open invitation, not a joke. I only hope you can learn to understand the differences between our nation and yours.
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I have a better idea. Do what our politicians do. Let Australia open its borders to whoever wants to go there from any country, no matter their motives, religion, culture, or education. Take in hundreds of thousands of those people (so, your population is as diverse as the US). Put them up for free in isolated neighborhoods in your major cities. Give them free food, money for drugs, free cell phones, free health care, free utility bills, and don't forget to subsidize the construction of their mosques. Just enough money for them to barely get by in their slums. Then lower or eliminate the penalties for petty crime and assaults. Pass laws to allow public urination. Let them preach hatred and violence on the streets. Neuter your police force so that these people become emboldened. Allow frivolous law suits to provide them settlement money. Hell, let them sue the police individually to ruin their families. Then let lots of heroin, Ice, and cocaine into your country. The only thing the "migrants" have to do is reelect the leaders that allow all this. Yes, allow them to vote. (Forget that you are the subject of a Monarchy for a minute). Then be told that you are the problem because you are racist and privileged. Then let's see what your position is. That's what our tyrannical government has given us so far. Hopefully, this allows you to understand the importance of the Second Amendment.
 
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