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Setting Term Limits is like putting a Band-Aid on a staph infection. Fix the root of the issue (the biased media and our education system for example) and let the better informed voters set the term limits. There are good people serving in elected positions also; why should not the voters determine how long they serve?
No, enacting term limits would be like not allowing a colony of staph to be around long enough to penetrate the skin barrier. People should serve 1-2 terms and then go back to their real jobs. The system should require regular changeover, rather than incentivizing people to make a lifelong career out of a political position. Instead, the system provides significant advantages to incumbents, which undermines your suggested approach because good people can’t or won’t run against a multiple-term incumbent.
 
No, enacting term limits would be like not allowing a colony of staph to be around long enough to penetrate the skin barrier. People should serve 1-2 terms and then go back to their real jobs. The system should require regular changeover, rather than incentivizing people to make a lifelong career out of a political position. Instead, the system provides significant advantages to incumbents, which undermines your suggested approach because good people can’t or won’t run against a multiple-term incumbent.
So, fix the underlying issue(s) that "provides significant advantages".
 
So, fix the underlying issue(s) that "provides significant advantages".
Sounds great. What do you suggest that would actually work? We’ve tried campaign finance reform. “Tried” being the operative word.
 
Sounds great. What do you suggest that would actually work? We’ve tried campaign finance reform. “Tried” being the operative word.
So it's the fox watching the henhouse. It needs to be grassroots and a dedicated movement to strip the benefits our representatives enjoy above being a law abiding citizen. The media needs to discern between news and editorial; as much as I hate influencing the media but it's time for some legislation to that effect. Our higher education institutions are adversely influencing students rather than educating them and creating critical thinkers this can be fixed by opening the market to better educators through higher pay; this opens permanent teaching positions to our business leaders for example. I can tick down ten other items that are "no-brainers".....
 
Setting Term Limits is like putting a Band-Aid on a staph infection. Fix the root of the issue (the biased media and our education system for example) and let the better informed voters set the term limits. There are good people serving in elected positions also; why should not the voters determine how long they serve?

As I stated, I am a firm believer in repealing the 17th and having States House of Representatives elect the Senators as it used to be vs. the popular vote that tends to come from major metropolitan areas in States. Those representatives are closer to their voting constituents (local level) and would represent that district, when voting for a Senator. If that district representative 'misrepresented', you vote them out. By having a popular vote for Senators, what's the difference - that's not Federalism, it's more akin to a Democracy. Todays Senators typically don't represent the whole state, just where their voting base is.

As I mentioned, think of it being like an electoral college but at the state level.
 
So it's the fox watching the henhouse. It needs to be grassroots and a dedicated movement to strip the benefits our representatives enjoy above being a law abiding citizen. The media needs to discern between news and editorial; as much as I hate influencing the media but it's time for some legislation to that effect. Our higher education institutions are adversely influencing students rather than educating them and creating critical thinkers this can be fixed by opening the market to better educators through higher pay; this opens permanent teaching positions to our business leaders for example. I can tick down ten other items that are "no-brainers".....
Much of what you suggest is conceptually laudable, except of course controlling the media and controlling education, but even ignoring that I don’t see what you suggest as being viable or effective. First, I don’t see the measures you suggest achieving the effects you desire because these are not things that can be controlled enough to be applied consistently and sustainably. Second, none of it is ever going to happen because those who would oppose it are the entrenched long-term politicians and those who benefit from them, and in addition to that other major powers such as the teachers unions. The long-term politician is what needs to be eliminated because that is how these interests consolidate their power. If somehow that could be thwarted, the other dominoes would start to fall and this all would be a different ball game. But again, absent some sea change that we can’t foresee at the moment, that is probably precluded by the fox and hen house situation too, so much of this discussion is unfortunately academic.
 
Much of what you suggest is conceptually laudable, except of course controlling the media and controlling education, but even ignoring that I don’t see what you suggest as being viable or effective. First, I don’t see the measures you suggest achieving the effects you desire because these are not things that can be controlled enough to be applied consistently and sustainably. Second, none of it is ever going to happen because those who would oppose it are the entrenched long-term politicians and those who benefit from them, and in addition to that other major powers such as the teachers unions. The long-term politician is what needs to be eliminated because that is how these interests consolidate their power. If somehow that could be thwarted, the other dominoes would start to fall and this all would be a different ball game. But again, absent some sea change that we can’t foresee at the moment, that is probably precluded by the fox and hen house situation too, so much of this discussion is unfortunately academic.
I would agree but I suggest that would make us both wrong; the same obstacles exist to attempt to limit terms which is "laudable" but hardly plausible. My concept is to properly educate and provide accurate unbiased knowledge to the public and let the voters determine term limits. A long and arduous process. An educated public is the best defense to an errant government in our federalist concept. So, let us agree to disagree....
 
Point taken. I think we actually agree on most if not all of this. We’re certainly in the same general camp. In particular, would love to see what you suggest for education to take place.
 
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My point is Stalin and hitler combined killed 60 million, Mao 50 million. Not sure how that plays into your high income countries statistics/100,000..... but probably not good
All three of these countries had gun control or was restricted further when mao and Stalin got involved, Germany was already pretty much shutdown which made it a lot easier to take over....that’s the point.... a lot easier to defeat your unarmed enemy.

Fun fact: England/Wales
Knife incidents. 65/100,000 - 2019

You can throw around statistics all day ..at the end 2A is going no where. Pick a fight you can win or think you can win. Taking guns will never happen
 
My point is Stalin and hitler combined killed 60 million, Mao 50 million. Not sure how that plays into your high income countries statistics/100,000..... but probably not good
All three of these countries had gun control or was restricted further when mao and Stalin got involved, Germany was already pretty much shutdown which made it a lot easier to take over....that’s the point.... a lot easier to defeat your unarmed enemy.

Fun fact: England/Wales
Knife incidents. 65/100,000 - 2019

You can throw around statistics all day ..at the end 2A is going no where. Pick a fight you can win or think you can win. Taking guns will never happen

Gun control has absolutely nothing to do with Stalin, Hitler, Mao, killing millions. Absolutely nothing. Do you think if people in China, Germany and Russia had free access to guns they would not have killed millions? That is a huge leap that I have never once heard before. There were thousands and thousands of German soldiers that had guns and did not stop Hitler. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers died fighting Hitler's army and they all had guns. Look, I know you are passionate about defending 2A, but do it with reasoned arguments, not a ridiculous internet poster that makes no sense. For what its worth, I know 2A is not going anywhere. The right to bear arms is long entrenched in the US constitutionally and culturally. That comes with pros and cons. One of the downsides is that, if everyone has guns, every feels they need guns and there will be more use of guns by people that should not have them. You can't stuff that back into a bottle by banning guns for the good law abiding people.

FYI, they are not "my statistics". They are just statistics. Gun controls in the various countries may have nothing to do with those statistical anomalies. But if its not differing gun laws, what do you attribute it to?
 
You are a Canadian on a boating forum making fun of or offended of a poster about gun control and have an opinion on our second amendment rights ....got it.... carry on
 
You are a Canadian on a boating forum making fun of or offended of a poster about gun control and have an opinion on our second amendment rights ....got it.... carry on

Making fun of the use of that poster -- yes. I know it is satire, but its ridiculous. Personally offended -- no. Opinion's are like a$$holes. Everyone has one. (that's not exactly what your first amendment says -- I am paraphrasing). Even Canadians have opinions, with a view from a different perspective.

I own guns. I support the right to own guns. I am an almost life long member of the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters, which is a significant group that defends our rights in Canada to own guns (important because it is not embedded in our constitution). But I am glad I live in a place where I do not feel I "need" to have a gun for self defense.
 
Our founding fathers thought the 2nd amendment was needed since that was What secured our freedom.
I agree with them. Bad people use guns
In bad ways, however good people can defend their freedoms with them.
 
In the case of Virginia, the blue part is made up of people that work in DC and they will go out to vote to keep their jobs. Whereas the red parts are not as enthusiastic to get out and vote. With the recent actions of the Governor and his cohorts, I predict that will change in November.

A BIG SWEEPING CHANGE! I think, just think all sides and all voters just got a dose of the medicine the Dems want to shove down our throats. I hope voters can now see the lies they told and the things they did to get their jobs. This free for all, history changing, fact removal crap needs to stop.
Nothing is free, you can't change or hide history, and not everyone wins.

Sorry, off my soapbox now.

I did see that two countries near West Virginia have found a request from the 1800's allowing them to join WV. With the cray our idiot has done they are looking into removing themselves from VA and joining WV. Best thing I have read all week...secession!
 
PA could benefit from a state level electoral college. The majority of the state geographically is Republican but Pittsburgh and Philadelphia hold close to 50% of the states population and are majority Democrat so we keep getting Democrats elected.
 
Curious as to why Norway has 0 homicide rates? They are one of the leaders in mass shootings % per population. Where did you get those stats?

Also, the millions of lives destroyed by Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin were INDEED disarmed. I’ve never heard of a “Great Jewish Revolt” against Hitler. If you were Jewish in Hitlers Germany, and were caught with a firearm, you and your family were shot on the spot.(for instance but not limited to)
 
My point is Stalin and hitler combined killed 60 million, Mao 50 million. Not sure how that plays into your high income countries statistics/100,000..... but probably not good
All three of these countries had gun control or was restricted further when mao and Stalin got involved, Germany was already pretty much shutdown which made it a lot easier to take over....that’s the point.... a lot easier to defeat your unarmed enemy.

Fun fact: England/Wales
Knife incidents. 65/100,000 - 2019

You can throw around statistics all day ..at the end 2A is going no where. Pick a fight you can win or think you can win. Taking guns will never happen
That's not what you all said when Obama was president...….He's gonna take your guns!!!! It's all we heard for 8 years!! I own more guns now then when Obama was president.....
 

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