GM Does It Again.....

[Banagy]

Now members do not forget that GM is now rum by Obama.

 

[tdappleman]

Um, you should probably know that the DRL bulbs used in GM vehicles are probably the exact same bulbs in just about every other brand of car on the road. I recently replaced one of mine (original) and as I recall it was a Sylvania bulb. I think this is probably just one of those "things" you notice and focus in on when on the road, kind of like it seems like for me, every single time I get behind someone going 8 miles an hour under the speed limit or cannot make up their mind on a parking space in a parking lot, it seems like there is a Toyota emblem on the back.

It's typically not the bulb which is the problem but the actual socket. Take a look at what is normally a white socket the next time you replace a bulb - it will most likely be dark brown or black from the heat and usually doesn't hold the bulb correctly. A lot of the bulbs we see are still functional but the socket is no longer useable. Just another poor design - unfortunately one that is very noticeable.

I wouldn't compare the Volt to a Pinto either.... I would actually park the Pinto in the garage without fear of it catching the house on fire. Getting rear ended in one is an entirely different story.....

 

[jason78]

It's typically not the bulb which is the problem but the actual socket. Take a look at what is normally a white socket the next time you replace a bulb - it will most likely be dark brown or black from the heat and usually doesn't hold the bulb correctly.

Well all I can say is that my 7 year old Silverado with nearly 200K has never had a problem with the DRL bulbs. I have replaced both bulbs once, within the past couple years, and they have not gone out again so I would say the sockets are fine. Point being; there are plenty of serious GM problems to complain about. Personally I think this DRL thing is a bit of a stretch.


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[tbirdvet]

Not sure how these cars left the plant. I cannot speak about GM but all Ford products are tested at the end of the assembly line on roils that validate all 4 brakes. The driver watches the overhead screen for any malfunction. Any wheel that had no brake pads would be flagged.

 

[jason78]

Not sure how these cars left the plant.

I would say a complete lack of QA during the assembly process. My question to the Union folks is; do you think the Union will let those responsible be fired or do you think they will be protected?
This is the type of mistake that could kill someone.

In addition, just to be fair, it should be noted that 4,296 of these cars were recalled to be INSPECTED. This does not necessarily mean all or even most of the cars being recalled had this defficency.

Only time will tell as to what the real numbers are. Since this is a safety related recall, I believe all final numbers will have to be reported to the NHTSA. In this thread I have repeately aired my disgust with this recall but I think we also need to hear the "rest of the story".

Update: At least from what I have seen so far, after skimming several random articles written about this in the last 24 hours, so far it looks like they have found a grand total of (1) car affected since the problem was discovered last month. Apparently a "Sonic" that was part of a rental fleet was returned to a dealer after a complaint of brake noise. The technician found that one of the brake pads was missing which prompted this whole recall effort.

As stated before, time will tell how far reaching the negligence in the plant Q.A. was in this matter. I just pray no one gets hurt due to this tragic mistake.

 

[Banagy]

I have owned GM vehicles since I was sixteen, now seventy one. Have a new chevrolet and GMC in the garage now. I never had any major problems with any GM vehicle. The brake b\problem on the sonic could bee there was not a union lable on the brake pad , so the UAW worker would not install it.

 

[Gofirstclass]

Banagy, that makes sense and I guess it makes the owners of all those Sonics feel a lot better.


But I doubt it.

 

[MonacoMike]

I have owned GM vehicles since I was sixteen, now seventy one. Have a new chevrolet and GMC in the garage now. I never had any major problems with any GM vehicle. The brake b\problem on the sonic could bee there was not a union lable on the brake pad , so the UAW worker would not install it.

Many thread points are proven by that comment. MM

 

[OldSkool]

There are way to many checks an balances that would need to be broken for this to be a huge issue. Here's what I mean . First the parts are set in sub assembly. they are counted out for each shift and noted when the part runs out. That mean inventory check after each shift would show no part used. Red Flag. Remember these are computer controlled system that know how many parts go on each run. It's not like so dude is in the back room counting each bin.

Then no part used for 4500 units, impossible. red flags would be waving everywhere. Sound like a few parts were not used and the inventory folks caught the overage however a serial number range was targeted for recall whether or not it was one car or all 4500 makes no difference to the company. They don't know which car doesn't have them so all need to be checked.

It's still hard to believe that even one car could get by. Let's see why. Part inventory check for the day's run, sub assembly check, main assembly by the componet installer, QC guy at the end of the line, and final drive to the lot. I can't see more than a couple out of the total 4500 that may have been missed. Time will tell though.

 

[comsnark]

Update: At least from what I have seen so far, after skimming several random articles written about this in the last 24 hours, so far it looks like they have found a grand total of (1) car affected since the problem was discovered last month. Apparently a "Sonic" that was part of a rental fleet was returned to a dealer after a complaint of brake noise. The technician found that one of the brake pads was missing which prompted this whole recall effort.

The recall was prompted with a finding of a missing brake bad on ONE car? And it was a RENTAL???

That certainly changes the complexion of this case, does it not?

Now members do not forget that GM is now rum by Obama.

Really?

I was understanding that the US Gooberment sold the majority ownership position. If I am understanding this http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=GM+Major+Holders correctly, the largest shareholder is . . .. the UAW retiree medical pension fund, followed closely by Canada. The bulk of the ownship is actually American Mutual Fund Companies (and remember who votes those shares. . .).

Are you saying the current GM Board of Directors are Political operatives? http://www.gm.com/company/aboutGM/board_of_directors0.html

I have owned GM vehicles since I was sixteen, now seventy one. Have a new chevrolet and GMC in the garage now. I never had any major problems with any GM vehicle. The brake b\problem on the sonic could bee there was not a union lable on the brake pad , so the UAW worker would not install it.

Many thread points are proven by that comment. MM

Maybe I am nursing a hangover, and am missing the point; unless the point is that many people on this board have a very low opinion regarding the personal integrity of American Union workers?

Note that these Union workers are NOT deadbeats collecting welfare and living on the public dole. The are in fact Taxpaying American Citizens.

 

[jason78]

The recall was prompted with a finding of a missing brake bad on ONE car? And it was a RENTAL??? That certainly changes the complexion of this case, does it not?

Yes, if it turns out to be accurate. I saw it in a couple articles but not all. Most stories have the "condensed" version of events. I assume more details will emerge once New Years wears off.

Here is one of the articles I had found- http://www.freep.com/article/201112...ke-pads?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

 

[susanandlance]

All so the "BIG CATS" get their money!! Oh but wait....... I'm sorry, they are "The Job Creators"................:lol:

 

[jason78]

All so the "BIG CATS" get their money!! Oh but wait....... I'm sorry, they are "The Job Creators"................:lol:

I did an edit and posted the article while you were commenting. I guess it is either build cars for less pay or sit around in those UAW "Rubber Rooms" all day getting paid to "train" for new jobs; if you want to call it that.

 

[comsnark]

All so the "BIG CATS" get their money!! Oh but wait....... I'm sorry, they are "The Job Creators"................:lol:

Without doubt.

You look at most fortune 500 companies, and you will find that Mutal Funds control the bulk of the stock in most cases. And you wonder why most companies exhibit quarter-to-quarter thinking. . .

 

[MonacoMike]

Without doubt.

You look at most fortune 500 companies, and you will find that Mutal Funds control the bulk of the stock in most cases. And you wonder why most companies exhibit quarter-to-quarter thinking. . .

...so John Q public that owns the mutual funds are the "Big Cats". How quaint. MM

 

[comsnark]

Technically.

But who has the voting rights on the stock?

 

[MonacoMike]

All so the "BIG CATS" get their money!! Oh but wait....... I'm sorry, they are "The Job Creators"................:lol:

Without doubt.

You look at most fortune 500 companies, and you will find that Mutal Funds control the bulk of the stock in most cases. And you wonder why most companies exhibit quarter-to-quarter thinking. . .

...so John Q public that owns the mutual funds are the "Big Cats". How quaint. MM

Actually I stand corrected, Obama and his union buddies are the majority, 77%, owners and thus the "Big Cats" in the case of GM. MM

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/general-motors-debt/

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/04/gm-pays-back-all-its-government-debt/39300/

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/business/02uaw.html

 

[autovette]

Mike,

When will you learn, these brain washed union goons willl never get it. Listening to some of these guys, you would think the National Anthem should be changed to "Look for the Union Lable" !!

 

[MonacoMike]

Mike,

When will you learn, these brain washed union goons willl never get it. Listening to some of these guys, you would think the National Anthem should be changed to "Look for the Union Lable" !!

...and miss all this fun on a snowy winter day??? MM

 

[jason78]

...and miss all this fun on a snowy winter day??? MM

Oh, man it would be nice to have some snow here! But since there is none, I have no choice but to head out to the boat now, talk to you guys later....