Gifford's shooting

The internet is confused. Today. Some people are telling me to be enraged. Some are telling me to be calm. Normally, everyone is quite good at telling me what to think.

I don't know who to be calm at.
 
SRS said:
What we need to do is stop making laws and ENFORCE the ones we already have on the books.....NO PLEA Bargains ! :smt038
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You touched on a topic about which I'm pretty informed, and I think that you are perpetuating a misconception. Simply incarcerating people for longer and longer periods of time has proven to be a very costly and incredibly ineffective deterrent. It does remove a protagonist from the field of play, but unless you are going to keep them locked up forever (an INCREDIBLY expensive proposition) then you basically are sending them to graduate schools for crime without any hope of reintroduction into a capitalist workforce. Politically, I'm somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun, but we have the whole punishment model wrong. It isn't about the extent of punishment, its about the certainty and its about fundamental fairness. Plea bargains are the result of overcharging, over arresting, and over policing without an infrastructure to deal with the results. Unless you want to build LOTS more jails (or follow a previous thread where I suggested outsourcing long term violent criminals to Afghanistan and Mexican prisons) then you need to rethink how we are training people to BE violent criminals. (I know, I know...some are hardwired, and there has to be a system to deal with those, but if you look at the numbers, the overwhelming number are trained, by us, to be the enemy).
 
SRS said:
First of all I think the Sheriff, Clerence Dupnik spoke from his rear end instead as a professional law enforcement official. His job was to report FACTS not speculate.....he began this firestorm.

2nd, like just about everyone who breathes and is normal, my deepest condolences to the dead, the injuried, and the familes....this truly was a senseless act of being a crazy coward.

3rd, the Congressman that introduced the new law banning guns for 1000 feet from a political person or rally is a Republican in charge of Homeland Security(Peter King) and usually a good guy. He too has drank the Kool Aid and is pandering as this will NOT stop a person who is hell bent on doing something like this. It only stops the law abiding person from preventing further damage if they get caught up in a nightmare like this........the media fuels this back and forth for RATINGS !

What we need to do is stop making laws and ENFORCE the ones we already have on the books.....NO PLEA Bargains ! :smt038
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1+:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
JediJD said:
You touched on a topic about which I'm pretty informed, and I think that you are perpetuating a misconception. Simply incarcerating people for longer and longer periods of time has proven to be a very costly and incredibly ineffective deterrent. It does remove a protagonist from the field of play, but unless you are going to keep them locked up forever (an INCREDIBLY expensive proposition) then you basically are sending them to graduate schools for crime without any hope of reintroduction into a capitalist workforce. Politically, I'm somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun, but we have the whole punishment model wrong. It isn't about the extent of punishment, its about the certainty and its about fundamental fairness. Plea bargains are the result of overcharging, over arresting, and over policing without an infrastructure to deal with the results. Unless you want to build LOTS more jails (or follow a previous thread where I suggested outsourcing long term violent criminals to Afghanistan and Mexican prisons) then you need to rethink how we are training people to BE violent criminals. (I know, I know...some are hardwired, and there has to be a system to deal with those, but if you look at the numbers, the overwhelming number are trained, by us, to be the enemy).
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What about harsher sentencing:huh: Such as death for someone where 2 or more witnesses observed him/her committing a crime against another with a deadly weapon or threatening death to someone else and found guilty. No appeals, just immediate death in the middle of town square:wow: That would make some extra prison space:thumbsup:
 
JediJD said:
You touched on a topic about which I'm pretty informed, and I think that you are perpetuating a misconception. Simply incarcerating people for longer and longer periods of time has proven to be a very costly and incredibly ineffective deterrent. It does remove a protagonist from the field of play, but unless you are going to keep them locked up forever (an INCREDIBLY expensive proposition) then you basically are sending them to graduate schools for crime without any hope of reintroduction into a capitalist workforce. Politically, I'm somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun, but we have the whole punishment model wrong. It isn't about the extent of punishment, its about the certainty and its about fundamental fairness. Plea bargains are the result of overcharging, over arresting, and over policing without an infrastructure to deal with the results. Unless you want to build LOTS more jails (or follow a previous thread where I suggested outsourcing long term violent criminals to Afghanistan and Mexican prisons) then you need to rethink how we are training people to BE violent criminals. (I know, I know...some are hardwired, and there has to be a system to deal with those, but if you look at the numbers, the overwhelming number are trained, by us, to be the enemy).
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Agreed! So lets shoot them on the spot!
 
In many states, in the face of a violent threat you are entitled to violently defend. You CAN shoot them on the spot. I don't have a problem with public executions...and I'd probably trust Wish, and Florida and Oldskool (even Comsnark) with my back any day of the week. My only real concern is that vigilantes are often not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier...I'm not thrilled with giving POST certified police officers the right to kill on sight, much less the assistant manager of the Dollar General in Hahira, Georgia.
 
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The janitor is fine for public executions. . then they can clean up afterwards. This is a cost savings move that can help reduce the deficit.

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In a related note, we should also seek to streamline the legal proceedings as well. We should not give criminals a forum to speak their delusions. Things like "bail hearings" are a waste of time. Summary execution based upon evidence on collected from a neighbor's myspace account should be more than sufficient.
 
Not to change the direction of this thread, but I'm just amazed that it's now being reported that she(Gabrielle Giffords) is now sitting in her bed, has moved her eyes/arms/legs in response to Dr requests.

Truly a miracle, let's hope she keeps making positive progress and recovers completely.

-VtSeaRay
 
JediJD said:
In many states, in the face of a violent threat you are entitled to violently defend. You CAN shoot them on the spot. I don't have a problem with public executions...and I'd probably trust Wish, and Florida and Oldskool (even Comsnark) with my back any day of the week. My only real concern is that vigilantes are often not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier...I'm not thrilled with giving POST certified police officers the right to kill on sight, much less the assistant manager of the Dollar General in Hahira, Georgia.
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Very happy to be in one of those "states":thumbsup: With our transient population due to being able to live under a bridge 12 months out of the year, and the drug trade here, it's getting to the point that you have to be somewhat vigilant in every day events. Our home invasions are going thru the roof (or should I say front door):smt013 We have a surprise for them upon entering our home:thumbsup:
 
VTSeaRay said:
Not to change the direction of this thread, but I'm just amazed that it's now being reported that she(Gabrielle Giffords) is now sitting in her bed, has moved her eyes/arms/legs in response to Dr requests.

Truly a miracle, let's hope she keeps making positive progress and recovers completely.

-VtSeaRay
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Your note is worth the hijacking. Thanks for sharing and God bless the medical staff that have worked to give her the best chances possible. Continuing to pray for all those affected by this tragedy.
 
floriduramax1 said:
Very happy to be in one of those "states":thumbsup: With our transient population due to being able to live under a bridge 12 months out of the year, and the drug trade here, it's getting to the point that you have to be somewhat vigilant in every day events. Our home invasions are going thru the roof (or should I say front door):smt013 We have a surprise for them upon entering our home:thumbsup:
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Last time I was in Miami (working at the Hospital there) I worked late one night, and the 10 block drive between the hospital and my hotel is VERY scary, major homeless population. Well, I made the mistake of coming to a complete stop at a light. This homeless person comes up to my car window and starts beating on it, asking for a donation... I was afraid at one point he was going to break the glass. At that point in time, I wish I carried.
 
OldSkool said:
Your note is worth the hijacking. Thanks for sharing and God bless the medical staff that have worked to give her the best chances possible. Continuing to pray for all those affected by this tragedy.
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:thumbsup:

Let's hope her mental faculties recover as well.
 
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