Fusion Album Art and Garmin MFD's

SKybolt said:
Nope, you are correct Al, the GMR24 does have a separate power connection. I haven't looked at that for years and just looked that up. The original owner made a single cable out of the two by putting some sort of sheathing around the cable, sorry for confusing that.

That doesn't change the POE aspect. I am just not sure of the pinout being used for the POE. It should be 4,5 and 7,8 that supply the power. I will confirm the voltage, I am assuming 12v, and pinout later and post back.

EDIT: Did not follow your link until after I posted this. So it seems that is the case on the power as well. So it is just a cross over cable with POE. Garmin's cables are just a little better grade of cable and waterproof.

This is an interesting comment from that article: "Even though you can use a Standard Ethernet cable on the GPSMAP 4000 series and newer we only recommend using Garmin Marine Network cables."
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The Garmin warrantee on their products mandates the use of the Garmin network cables. Probably a corrosion thing.
 
ttmott said:
The Garmin warrantee on their products mandates the use of the Garmin network cables. Probably a corrosion thing.
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Yeah that's why I thought the statement below was strange. It was taken for the article that Al posted.

"Even though you can use a Standard Ethernet cable on the GPSMAP 4000 series and newer we only recommend using Garmin Marine Network cables."
 
SKybolt said:
... I'll be at the boat later today and will measure the power conditions from the GMS10, by itself and with an MFD turned on.
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I was able to confirm that the power does indeed come from the MFD's and not the GSM10 switch. The switch does pass the POE of 12v to all ports and to your point Al, it is most likely just used to turn on the rest of the network.

Very strange that it is handled that way. Since multiple MFD's on the network are powering the network at the same time. I guess that's why they require everything to be powered by the same source or share the same ground.

From the install manual, page 4 entitled "Garmin Marine Network Considerations":
"All devices connected to the Garmin Marine Network must be connected to the same ground. If multiple power sources are used for Garmin Marine Network devices, you must tie all ground connections from all power supplies together using a low resistance connection or tie them to a common ground bus bar, if available"
 
I found this on the Garmin site: http://static.garmin.com/pumac/Marine_Ethernet.pdf. I've got way too many Garmin cables that are too long and intend to make a few shorter ones before my next install. I installed lots of connectors for a house re-wiring several years ago but then gave my tool away to a guy out of state. I figure the cost of a new connector tool can be quickly recouped by not having to buy new.
 
alnav said:
I found this on the Garmin site: http://static.garmin.com/pumac/Marine_Ethernet.pdf. I've got way too many Garmin cables that are too long and intend to make a few shorter ones before my next install. I installed lots of connectors for a house re-wiring several years ago but then gave my tool away to a guy out of state. I figure the cost of a new connector tool can be quickly recouped by not having to buy new.
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Yeah, I had posted that in another thread. That shows the cable is a crossover cable and the new ends can be had here on Amazon.
 
SKybolt said:
Awesome, Jim will be happy about that. I buy most of my electronics from him. His store is a mile from where I keep my boat.
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I actually got the new ends for "free" using the points BOE confers for previous purchases.
 
alnav said:
I actually got the new ends for "free" using the points BOE confers for previous purchases.
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Nice! I need to check my points I should have quite a few after the past two months as well.
 
I should add to this thread that A POE blocker should be used when connecting the GMN to a normal switch. The voltage on the GMN cable could possibly damage the regular switch if there were circuitry on those pins (4,5,7,8). Conversely the GSM10 could be damaged if there were voltage on the switch being used. While Garmin recommends, what @ttmott is using, one of their POE blockers I used one of these (standard POE injector but no power supply) to isolate the POE voltage. I plugged it directly into the GSM10 and then a standard ethernet cable into the POE cable. This also eliminates the need for a Garmin specific cable. This seems to work quite well as mentioned above. Thanks to @alnav and @ttmott for their insights.

EDIT: if the inserted link doesn't work (Amazon link) try this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...e&pd_rd_w=ZrJen&pd_rd_wg=AP55S&ref_=pd_gw_unk
 
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One more capability I verified today. I lit off the Fusion (connected via Garmin Network ethernet) along with the rest of the Garmin suite, then connected my iPhone to the Garmin wifi. I left Bluetooth unconnected. I started the Fusion app and it connected. There was an uninstalled update and it downloaded and installed using the cellular connection. Streaming via Airplay worked as well. So, the Garmin Network provides a path for wireless connection to the Fusion while utilizing the Active Captain app.
 
alnav said:
... So, the Garmin Network provides a path for wireless connection to the Fusion while utilizing the Active Captain app.
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you lost me on Active Captain app bit when you were talking about connecting to the Garmin via wifi and running the fusion app, did you mean the fusion app?
 
SKybolt said:
you lost me on Active Captain app bit when you were talking about connecting to the Garmin via wifi and running the fusion app, did you mean the fusion app?
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Sorry about being unclear, I did mean the Fusion app. I'll try to lay it out:
- Fusion connected to Garmin Network via ethernet. Album art displays on MFDs.
- Established wifi connection to Garmin SSID on iPhone. This enables the Active Captain app to work.
- Started the Fusion-Link app. Did not make a Bluetooth connection. App sees the Fusion via Garmin wifi connection and updates the Fusion.
So, the advantage is being able to use Active Captain and Fusion-Link via wifi simultaneously on the same device.
 
alnav said:
... So, the advantage is being able to use Active Captain and Fusion-Link via wifi simultaneously on the same device.
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Ah now that all makes sense. Pretty nice how Garmin has allowed this type of integration. Makes things a whole lot easier, nice integration even though they don't allow the MFD to connect to the WiFI network and just update itself that way. They purposely block that type of connection for some odd reason.
 
SKybolt said:
Ah now that all makes sense. Pretty nice how Garmin has allowed this type of integration. Makes things a whole lot easier, nice integration even though they don't allow the MFD to connect to the WiFI network and just update itself that way. They purposely block that type of connection for some odd reason.
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No doubt liability as it is a navigation system. Their aircraft systems are similar.
 
ttmott said:
No doubt liability as it is a navigation system. Their aircraft systems are similar.
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Your probably right on that, just strange since they allow the autopilot to auto accept the next waypoint when running a route. I would think there is more liability in that then being able to update over the inet.
 
Another side note on using the Fusion system connected to the Garmin Marine Network. When I got tot he boat this weekend and turned on the radio with the ERX remote, the remote turned on the radio but could not communicate with it. It just had a message asking to turn on the radio.

I surmised that if the MFD is not on to dish out an IP address to the ERX Remote(s), the remote doesn't work. They stay with message on the screen asking to turn on the radio, even though the remote has turned on the radio. I haven't checked to see if the remote will accept a static IP address (hopefully it does), that's next on the agenda. As soon as I turned on the MFD everything worked and then stayed working when the MFD was turned off so it had to be the ip address. I will try to enter a static IP later this week and hopefully that resolves this issue, otherwise the art work on the MFD display may not be worth it.
 
SKybolt said:
Another side note on using the Fusion system connected to the Garmin Marine Network. When I got tot he boat this weekend and turned on the radio with the ERX remote, the remote turned on the radio but could not communicate with it. It just had a message asking to turn on the radio.

I surmised that if the MFD is not on to dish out an IP address to the ERX Remote(s), the remote doesn't work. They stay with message on the screen asking to turn on the radio, even though the remote has turned on the radio. I haven't checked to see if the remote will accept a static IP address (hopefully it does), that's next on the agenda. As soon as I turned on the MFD everything worked and then stayed working when the MFD was turned off so it had to be the ip address. I will try to enter a static IP later this week and hopefully that resolves this issue, otherwise the art work on the MFD display may not be worth it.
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The Garmin GMS10 is really only a network switch and requires the MFD as the router/host. However, without the MFD turned on the GMS10 is off and the power light will be off. So regardless if the MFD is required to host DHCP or not you couldn't get anything through the GMS10 switch anyway.
 
ttmott said:
The Garmin GMS10 is really only a network switch and requires the MFD as the router/host. However, without the MFD turned on the GMS10 is off and the power light will be off. So regardless if the MFD is required to host DHCP or not you couldn't get anything through the GMS10 switch anyway.
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Agreed, the switch has a power cable, but if nothing is connected then what's the point. I have a netgear switch that the RA770 and two ERX remotes are connected to and that is then connected to the GSM10. This way (I thought) the 770 would work if the MFD's were not powered up. I thought the 770 would act like an MFD would and supply an IP address if no MFD's were seen on the network.

When I first set this up I wasn't thinking about using the 770 and ERX's by themselves, as the DHCP server is in the MFD, if that is off then the ERX/770 doesn't get IP addresses and can't talk with one another. If I can set a static IP address in both the 770 and ERX's then everything should work as wired up and not need the MFD to be on in order to work. The issue is I don't know where free space is to assign a static IP range. Try turning everything on then power the stereo and check IP's and then add 50-100 to that, just guessing. I wish Garmin would publish there IP schema.
 
SKybolt said:
Agreed, the switch has a power cable, but if nothing is connected then what's the point. I have a netgear switch that the RA770 and two ERX remotes are connected to and that is then connected to the GSM10. This way (I thought) the 770 would work if the MFD's were not powered up. I thought the 770 would act like an MFD would and supply an IP address if no MFD's were seen on the network.

When I first set this up I wasn't thinking about using the 770 and ERX's by themselves, as the DHCP server is in the MFD, if that is off then the ERX/770 doesn't get IP addresses and can't talk with one another. If I can set a static IP address in both the 770 and ERX's then everything should work as wired up and not need the MFD to be on in order to work. The issue is I don't know where free space is to assign a static IP range. Try turning everything on then power the stereo and check IP's and then add 50-100 to that, just guessing. I wish Garmin would publish there IP schema.
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I think that last thing you need is to be required to have the MFD's turned on to listen to the stereo....
Have you considered connecting both the RA770 and ERX's to the netgear switch then also the GSM10 to the netgear switch?
This way if the MFD's are off the RA770 takes care of the IP addresses via the netgear switch. The only possible issue may be if you turn on the MFD's after turning on the audio there may be either an IP address conflict or the MFD's simply won't talk to the Fusion equipment....
As an edit you could possibly determine what the Garmin equipment is assigning as IP addresses then set the Fusion to a static address that is compatible with the Garmin. The Garmin equipment might see that static address and accept it upon powerup....
 
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