Firearms on boats

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by HawkX66, Nov 15, 2020.

  1. blaster

    blaster Well-Known Member

    May 23, 2011
    potomac river
    2010 sea ray 205 sport
    F-250 CCLB 6.2 4x4 3.73 rear.
    Mercruiser 4.3 mpi alpha 1.62
    Wow! You would think he would get the benefit of the doubt and they would just take his gun until he was verified. Not only that, why would it take so long to verify? The thing is, if you sue NY you have to get in line. Then there’s Dillons rule to get around.
     
    HawkX66 likes this.
  2. douglee25

    douglee25 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    Dallas, TX
    Cruisers 3575
    Twin 7.4l
    How about this one... You have a CCW in PA and boat on the Delaware River which separates both PA and NJ.

    Now what??
     
  3. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    1998 450 Sundancer, Achilles dinghy w/15hp
    3126 Cat's
    The layman's way it was explained to me is your boat also your home ? Yes, then anywhere that it's legal to have a firearm in your home it's legal on your floating home and/or RV...
     
  4. Henry Boyd

    Henry Boyd Well-Known Member

    Apr 24, 2007
    Newburyport, on the peaceful and serene Merrimack
    ‘09 Sabre 38 Hardtop Express “Serenity”
    Volvo D6 w/IPS450 Pods
    Stay on the pa side of the channel?
     
  5. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport
    40hp 2-Stroke Evinrude
    I'm also a retired LEO so covered under the LEOSA laws. In theory I'm able to carry in every state but I certainly would avoid NY and NJ.

    Them right coasters don't go no sense of huma when it comes to guns.

    I've also been shot at (guy had a 12guage) so I know what that feels like. I introduced him to my "One and Done" program. That put a quick end to whatever it was he had in mind.
     
  6. firecadet613

    firecadet613 Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2007
    Indiana
    2007 Four Winns V358
    Twin VP 5.7GXi V-Drive / ZF63s
    Michigan doesn't recognize WI's permit? They recognize INs and I carry there regularly, including on the boat!
     
  7. boatman37

    boatman37 Well-Known Member

    Jun 6, 2015
    pittsburgh
    2006 Crownline 250CR. 5.7 Merc BIII
    Previous: 1986 Sea Ray 250 Sundancer. 260 Merc Alpha 1 Gen 1
    5.7 Merc BIII
    PCCD was closed on the weekends so they could not contact them until Monday morning. Constables in PA fall under a gray area. They are sworn law enforcement that can enforce laws (except traffic). Most constables get elected and only sit at the polls twice a year and do not go through any training. Many go through PA Act 44 and firearms training and carry professional liability insurance but are considered independent contractors so that is where the gray area is. I was a constable for 6 years and served warrants, transported prisoners, and also enforced civil litigation. We received an ID card from PCCD indicating that we were Act 44 certified, firearms certified, and insured. Most of my work was for the local magistrates and I had statewide jurisdiction. Our firearms training was through the PA State Police firearms instructors. Some police departments didn't like us because we took work from them. Our local magistrate used to give all criminal warrants to the PD and they got OT for them. Once we got a couple of respectable constables then he started giving us the warrants and the PD lost OT so some gave us a hard time. I was even told by our local Lt one day that if we needed any backup they would be sure to take their time getting there. Some departments loved us because we helped them at no cost to their departments. I went out on several occasions helping our department when they were searching for a suspect and even one case of a missing elderly man. Other occasions were sobriety checkpoints. If they stopped a sober driver that had a warrant we would transport them to the jail freeing them up to continue their checkpoint and we got paid for executing the warrant. The problem is constables don't perform the same functions in every state. No idea what they do in NY but if they either ran into a dept that didn't like constables or maybe constables in NY aren't authorized to carry firearms? Dunno?
     
    HawkX66 likes this.
  8. HawkX66

    HawkX66 Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2020
    SE Virginia and NH
    "Tread Knot"
    1997 Sea Ray Sundancer 290DA

    2020 F350 6.7L
    454 L29 Carb w/ Bravo III
    "Other occasions were sobriety checkpoints." One of the most unconstitutional stops in the US that have become all too common.
    I fell under LEOSA for ten years. I took an administrative job at the Hq of my current agency that pays a lot more. Although still law enforcement, I don't fall under LEOSA. I really miss falling under it. It made things so much easier... The left has made it so difficult that no matter how much you try to stay legal, you really can't. You are somehow breaking a law no matter what you do.
     
  9. Havana Shamrock

    Havana Shamrock Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2008
    Sarasota Fla.
    2019. 250 SDX OB
    300 Verado V8
    funny as NY cops we where always told to avoid a few states as they hate NY cops.
     
  10. douglee25

    douglee25 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    Dallas, TX
    Cruisers 3575
    Twin 7.4l
    If only it were that easy!
     
  11. spikedaddy99

    spikedaddy99 Well-Known Member

    Jun 11, 2008
    Prentice, Wi
    2005 500 DB
    QSM-11
    Michigan and Wisconsin have reciprocity according to the reading I've done. Just don't go South in to Illinois waters!!
     
    firecadet613 likes this.
  12. Joe Shleb

    Joe Shleb New Member

    9
    Dec 22, 2020
    Currently Boatless - seriously looking
    Boatless
    Generally, individual state laws apply. If you get a Florida CCW permit (resident or non-resident) (as an example), it will significantly expand your ability to legally possess and transport firearms, state-to-state. However, not all states recognize all other state CCW permits. Several east coast blue states will not recognize another state's CCW permit.(Florida's permit is recognized by 30 states and the permit can be issued to non-residents and is valid for 7 years. Initial application and renewal is conducted through the mail - you apply online.

    In addition, many states recognize an RV, boat, tent, as a temporary residence and will allow you to possess a firearm within the confines of your temporary residence. This can also include hotel rooms, depending on prevailing law. Unfortunately, US gun laws are a patchwork of do's and don't's and vary from state-to-state - with even more restrictions in some local jurisdictions, e.g. NYC & Washington DC.

    Do your homework before packing a gun. The NRA Web site is probably one of the better sources for an outline of US gun carry laws, by state. There are other Web sites that offer gun law information, but I have found that some of the other sites contain incorrect/outdated information. You might also touch base with your local Coast Guard office or check their Web site.
     
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2020
  13. Joe Shleb

    Joe Shleb New Member

    9
    Dec 22, 2020
    Currently Boatless - seriously looking
    Boatless
    Just a word to the wise. An alarming number of law enforcement officers in the US, are not up-to-speed on various gun laws, state and federal. If it were me, I'd print a copy of the actual applicable state gun laws, where you anticipate you will be visiting. If they think you're in violation, they won't believe anything you tell them. They need to see it printed with the official state seal and with all the code numbers etc. Even then, you might have to ask for a supervisor to get involved.
     
    douglee25 and HawkX66 like this.
  14. Soulshine

    Soulshine Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2016
    Seneca Lake, NY
    '83 SRV 360 Express
    Twin Merc. 454
    More than just gun laws. Rural LE and judges don’t know more than they do about the law. Ask me how I know.

    Lots of cracks here about gun laws in New York. I would have to think long and hard to come up with someone that I know who doesn’t own guns and 80% of them own and/or carry hand guns.

    Same with the tax myth. My taxes are obscenely low and have barely gone up in the 17 years I’ve lived here.

    NYC and Long Island are different but just a sliver of the state from the standpoint of geography.
     
  15. hughespat57

    hughespat57 Well-Known Member

    960
    Sep 25, 2016
    Rock Hill, SC
    300 Sundancer 1994, trailered tri-axle LoadRite roller
    Mercruiser 5.7 260HP Alpha One Gen II, twin
    Understand but like the Delaware River example, boating on Long Island Sound, New York Harbor, and a good portion of the Hudson River are problematic.

    As to USCG it is primarily for boarding party safety. Been many years and times have changed but when I served I was a boarding officer. We were never concerned with trying to enforce local firearms regulations.
     
    Chris-380 likes this.
  16. Joe Shleb

    Joe Shleb New Member

    9
    Dec 22, 2020
    Currently Boatless - seriously looking
    Boatless
    Yep - and everyone should also be mindful that some states have placed restrictions on magazine capacity and even bullet type. (I believe NJ has outlawed hollow point bullets?) Again, it would be wise to map-out your intended trip/destinations and go online and make a file of all the applicable individual state gun carry/possession laws.
     
  17. Joe Shleb

    Joe Shleb New Member

    9
    Dec 22, 2020
    Currently Boatless - seriously looking
    Boatless
    The CCW only matters when you are carrying concealed on your person. When in doubt, unload your gun and lock it in an approved transport case. Check the federal "Peaceable Journey" statute and/or contact a marine oriented law enforcement agency in the jurisdiction where your will be cruising.

    Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 aka “The Peaceable Journey Law”
    This act allows a person to transport a firearm through states in which he or she does not hold a valid permit, as long as he or she may lawfully carry (whether by permit, constitutional carry, etc.) in the state of origin as well as the destination. The owner of the firearm must be in transit and not stay in the state where possession would be illegal. Furthermore, the firearm must be unloaded and contained in a locked box or out of the driver’s reach, unless state law allows otherwise. In some states, the drivers must pass through the state without stopping, and in others only short stops are tolerated. Consult the USCCA’s Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Gun Law Map to determine what laws apply to you for every state along your route.

    The act does not allow the owner to use his or her firearm for defense during transit.

    Fed Interstate 18 USC § 926A — Vehicle carry unloaded and secured
    These sections of the code were intended to protect the passage of travelers (who can legally possess a firearm) to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm. The firearm must be unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition can be readily accessible from the passenger compartment. In the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment, the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

    https://www.h2oyacht.co/maritime-laws-and-the-possession-of-firearms-on-boats/
     
    Chris-380, douglee25 and blaster like this.
  18. Groucho

    Groucho Well-Known Member

    Jun 11, 2008
    Albany/Lake George NY
    2004 320 DA
    6.2 V-Drives
    In NYS...even the cops can't legally carry unless on duty. I know...A friend who is a cop had to get his pistol permit to carry outside of working hours.
     
  19. TimW

    TimW Well-Known Member

    685
    Jul 2, 2018
    Northwest Lower Michigan
    2003 260 Sundancer
    Tri-axle venture trailer
    F250 diesel truck
    350 MAG MPI
    You absolutely CAN carry in Michigan.
    I think since about 2011.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2020
  20. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    Not true for people who qualify as “Police Officers” in the NYS Criminal Procedure Law.
    I’ve been carrying for about 40 years now inside NYS (and around the Country in more recent years under the LEOSA) first as a “Police Officer” with no permit required, and now as a “Retired Police Officer” with a permit.
    If your friend needs a permit to carry while off duty in NYS then he is probably a “Peace Officer” in NYS, not a “Police Officer” as described in the CPL despite what it may say on his car or patch, or he was a “Police Officer” who is now retired.
    There is a big difference between “Police Officers” and “Peace Officers” in NYS.
    The short and simple way to explain it is that a “Police Officer” as defined in the NYS CPL is a “Police Officer” with arrest powers 24/7 anywhere in NYS. “Peace Officers” generally only have that “Police” authority while at work in a specific location. Some examples of “Peace Officers” might be some Campus Police, certain Mental Health Police, some Bridge & Tunnel Police, certain Juvenile Detention Police, etc..
    Retired “Police Officers” as defined in the NYS CPL who retire in good standing need a carry permit in NYS, but their permit is stamped “Retired Police Officer” and is good anywhere in NYS including NYC.
    Retired Peace Officers are not afforded this benefit. Their permit, if they have one, will likely restrict them to carrying in the County that issues it.
    In fact: active “Police Officers” from anywhere in the United States are permitted to carry anywhere in the United States, except certain properties that have the right to deny off duty personnel the ability to carry on their property in certain circumstances (as GFC indicated).
    Retired “Police Officers” have the same ability to carry all over the country as long as they re-qualify in a suitable place with the caliber weapon they are carrying within the previous year.
     
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2020
    boatman37 and HawkX66 like this.

Share This Page

Show Sidebar