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BEH said:
You really are a A** Hole!
Be careful!
You may get too close to somebody when not wearing a mask with that sneer on your face and find yourself in the hospital and not from the virus!
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Never happen Alice. You’re a real tough guy behind a keyboard. Foolish banter.
 
El Capitan said:
https://truepundit.com/cover-up-fau...e-15-years-ago-to-treat-nobody-needed-to-die/
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This article is an excellent example of the deceptive misinformation gushing out of the right and left fringe "media" and lapped up by the gullible desperate to reinforce their various narratives, i.e., fake news.
Yes, there was a study that showed that chloroquine prevented the SARS-CoV virus (not the same as SARS-CoV2 we are suffering from now) from spreading in petri dishes. So does bleach. The issue is whether it works in humans and that hasn't been proven for either virus. The journal Virology Today is a private entity. Oh, and neither Dr. Fauci nor anyone else in the U.S. Government had anything to do with the research, it was funded from Canada.
 
alnav said:
This article is an excellent example of the deceptive misinformation gushing out of the right and left fringe "media" and lapped up by the gullible desperate to reinforce their various narratives, i.e., fake news.
Yes, there was a study that showed that chloroquine prevented the SARS-CoV virus (not the same as SARS-CoV2 we are suffering from now) from spreading in petri dishes. So does bleach. The issue is whether it works in humans and that hasn't been proven for either virus. The journal Virology Today is a private entity. Oh, and neither Dr. Fauci nor anyone else in the U.S. Government had anything to do with the research, it was funded from Canada.
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While true, the question remains why Fauci, et. al. cannot distinguish between early outpatient use and late death bed use. There have been zero studies that show early use doesn't work. There are several studies that show it may work. Why can't they do a quick "gold standard" study with early use to make a final determination?
 
Golfman25 said:
While true, the question remains why Fauci, et. al. cannot distinguish between early outpatient use and late death bed use. There have been zero studies that show early use doesn't work. There are several studies that show it may work. Why can't they do a quick "gold standard" study with early use to make a final determination?
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Short answer is they can't sign up enough patients to go through the trials, which has been attempted. The patient has to agree they might be given a placebo instead of the actual treatment but almost nobody does since they can get the real drug prescribed anyway. In many cases, the patient has already been given the drug before the trial coordinator has gotten to them. The same thing is happening with convalescent plasma and other potential treatments. In these cases it's ultimately well-intentioned doctors who are the issue; they don't want to be the cause of harm due to lack of treatment. The hype around all this feeds the flame.
 
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MonacoMike said:
Still believing in fairytales. You actually believe the Canadians “have it VASTLY more under control“. Viruses are not controllable by human beings in any way shape or form. That is a fact.

We can try to adapt our bodies with a vaccine or battle virus virus to win immunity. I am unaware of any other options.
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well, nobody has told me I’m wrong...
 
Everything is happening like they said from the start. The Chinese gave us a nasty bug, we got to flatten the curve, different areas of the country will have differing responses to containment and reopening strategies, we will have flare ups to deal with.

It's serious business for sure, f'n up the whole world in more ways than one, definitely being used as a political tool by the tools here in the USA.

Ha, you Canadians with the MAGA hat insults, looking down your snouts as you shout we have a big city too.:rolleyes:

I'll tell ya'.....catch the virus in Canada and you got more than twice the chance of ending up horizontal than in the USA, the virus provides us a real life critique of the free Canadian healthcare system.:p
 
BEH said:
Ontario, where I live, prescriptions are free at age 65.
$100.00 yearly deductible.
Not all provinces.
Dental is not included.
Some people do get supplemental private insurance to cover dental, upgrade to private hospital room.
I have a customer that needed back surgery for spinal stenois who decided to go to the States because he didn’t want to wait for operation here which would have been less than one year.
Cost him $90K US
He was far from being a cripple but people have different tolerance for pain plus he is a multi millionaire.
So your right, our system is not perfect but personally myself and my family have absolutely no complaints and we have used it.
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My mother is 97 and still has to pay fees for prescriptions since the gov't won't cover all the dispensary fees. Also, some of the drugs she needs are not covered (heart medication)

And - Don't forget about the employer health tax of about 1% of wages.
https://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/tax/eht/index.html

And the individual "Health Premium" of $900/yr min (zero for those making under 20G/yr)
https://www.ontario.ca/page/health-premium

Plus I choose to have additional health/dental coverage for my wife and I at a cost of over $5000/yr. (includes out of country medical coverage for 60 days at a time)

Low income, government disability recipients, First Nations - don't have to pay for eye exams, glasses, or basic dental work. Theirs is free.

Most of us are like frogs in a pot of warm water and the government is turning up the heat with additional costs being sent via fees, deductibles, and exclusions.

Far from free.
 
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Jimmy Buoy said:
My mother is 97 and still has to pay fees for prescriptions since the gov't won't cover all the dispensary fees. Also, some of the drugs she needs are not covered (heart medication)

And - Don't forget about the employer health tax of about 1% of wages.
https://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/tax/eht/index.html

And the individual "Health Premium" of $900/yr min (zero for those making under 20G/yr)
https://www.ontario.ca/page/health-premium

Plus I choose to have additional health/dental coverage for my wife and I at a cost of over $5000/yr. (includes out of country medical coverage for 60 days at a time)

Low income, government disability recipients, First Nations - don't have to pay for eye exams, glasses, or basic dental work. Theirs is free.

Most of us are like frogs in a pot of warm water and the government is turning up the heat with additional costs being sent via fees, deductibles, and exclusions.

Far from free.
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But, but, "...its free!..." What the snowflakes in the US dont realize is that there is no "free lunch".

I was speaking with my niece the other night and I asked her if most of the kids in her high school were Socialists. She said a lot were. I asked her if she knew or if her friends knew what being Socialist means? Of course she replied "yes". Sooo, ehehehehe, I asked her to explain it. Well after a dozen "...like, you know, well, like when you know..." I stopped her and explained this to her.

What if you have a 4.0 grade point average and I was your teacher. What if I came and told you and your other friends with a 4.0 grade point average that to be fair to everyone, so that we're all equal, not racists, and elitists, that I was going to deduct 2.0 points from each of their GPA's. Well I didn't even finish that statement before she jumped up in her seat and said "no way!".

I went on with the rest of the lesson. She is now a free marketist. :D
 
Look at the number of cases. That’s all that matters. Yo
Woody said:
Everything is happening like they said from the start. The Chinese gave us a nasty bug, we got to flatten the curve, different areas of the country will have differing responses to containment and reopening strategies, we will have flare ups to deal with.

It's serious business for sure, f'n up the whole world in more ways than one, definitely being used as a political tool by the tools here in the USA.

Ha, you Canadians with the MAGA hat insults, looking down your snouts as you shout we have a big city too.:rolleyes:

I'll tell ya'.....catch the virus in Canada and you got more than twice the chance of ending up horizontal than in the USA, the virus provides us a real life critique of the free Canadian healthcare system.:p
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That is not true at all. The reason the death rate as % of cases was high is that in Canada the number of cases was mostly early and went rampant in old age homes. The % of deaths then were really high. Since then, total cases has dropped drastically so the much lower death rates in the past 2 months statistically cannot reduce the average. So it has nothing to do with quality of health care.

And it is your politicians that have made a mask (Or not wearing a mask) a virtue signal, albeit right wing virtues by not wearing a mask. I think the vast majority of those that wear masks and try to follow the ever changing medical guidance are not doing it for a political demonstration. They are doing what they can to slow the spread of the virus. Those are not wearing them and spout off about only sheep and idiots wearing masks, are virtue signaling with their bare face.
 
Jimmy Buoy said:
My mother is 97 and still has to pay fees for prescriptions since the gov't won't cover all the dispensary fees. Also, some of the drugs she needs are not covered (heart medication)

And - Don't forget about the employer health tax of about 1% of wages.
https://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/tax/eht/index.html

And the individual "Health Premium" of $900/yr min (zero for those making under 20G/yr)
https://www.ontario.ca/page/health-premium

Plus I choose to have additional health/dental coverage for my wife and I at a cost of over $5000/yr. (includes out of country medical coverage for 60 days at a time)

Low income, government disability recipients, First Nations - don't have to pay for eye exams, glasses, or basic dental work. Theirs is free.

Most of us are like frogs in a pot of warm water and the government is turning up the heat with additional costs being sent via fees, deductibles, and exclusions.

Far from free.
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I am a die hard conservative. I hate the Liberal party tax/spend free giveaway attititude of the left. Full out hate it. The one area I think that makes sense for government to run is health care. They need to keep waste out of the equation as much as governments can, but I don’t want an insurance company deciding what kind of health care I can get and I don’t want a highly profit oriented hospital trying to squeeze as much out of me as possible if I have to end up there. Yes we pay too much in taxes in Canada, and Liberal governments have jacked up tax rates. Health care was left basically unchanged. So the extra taxes did not go to health care. It is going to government program “bloat”. We need the Liberals out and conservatives in.
 
Woody said:
I'll tell ya'.....catch the virus in Canada and you got more than twice the chance of ending up horizontal than in the USA, the virus provides us a real life critique of the free Canadian healthcare system.:p
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I like my odds over yours:
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Creekwood said:
I am a die hard conservative. I hate the Liberal party tax/spend free giveaway attititude of the left. Full out hate it. The one area I think that makes sense for government to run is health care. They need to keep waste out of the equation as much as governments can, but I don’t want an insurance company deciding what kind of health care I can get and I don’t want a highly profit oriented hospital trying to squeeze as much out of me as possible if I have to end up there. Yes we pay too much in taxes in Canada, and Liberal governments have jacked up tax rates. Health care was left basically unchanged. So the extra taxes did not go to health care. It is going to government program “bloat”. We need the Liberals out and conservatives in.
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Why would you choose a government bureaucrat to make those decisions?
 
Golfman25 said:
Why would you choose a government bureaucrat to make those decisions?
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You clearly do not understand how the Canadian healthcare system works. The decision maker is me and my doctor. My doctor has zero cost motivation in advising on my treatment. If I want a second opinion I can ask for a referral and get a second opinion. And yes, I would take that over an insurance company. Its a very different approach. I am not criticizing the US system. It is very different model.

THis whole thing was about the US not being able to reduce cases of COVID and hospitalizations, yes, as compared to Canada. You have tried to deflect that into an uninformed attack on a health care system you know very little about and based on “alternative facts” fed to you by corporations in the US that profit from the status quo, and the politicians that get funded by those corporations.
 
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