Electric boats should appeal to clean fingernails types

He is using his grocery store fuel points for his calculations.
I am getting real tired of being you guys punch line. 14 gal tank at $3.33 a gal = $46. I go 2 weeks before i top off. $23.
Sorry you have a math problem.
i have suddenly become the scorn of rude people on here and i have never insulted any of you. When you sit at thanksgiving dinner today, ask your mom to give you a refresher course in civility.
 
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I am getting real tired of being you guys punch line. 14 gal tank at $3.33 a gal = $46. I go 2 weeks before i top off. $23.
Sorry you have a math problem.
i have suddenly become the scorn of rude people on here and i have never insulted any of you. When you sit at thanksgiving dinner today, ask your mom to give you a refresher course in civility.
I have never put you down. Even when you make five posts in a row. I like your contribution here. It’s the interwebs for Gods sake.
 
I have a Tesla Model 3. As a driving enthusiast it’s my favorite car I have ever own. Instant torque and speed at any point. No turbo lag or gear shifting. I pretty much can blast by any combustion car on the road if I need to. No shifting, no mis shifting. No worry of dropping valves or blowing rings or leaking oil or overheating from failed t-stat. Just hit the pedal and go like a bat out of hell.

I’ve taken it all up and down the East coast. Plenty of chargers and more and more going in. Have never had to wait for a charger. Charging takes 15-20 minutes. Not “a couple of hours”. We pull in, plug in, then go inside and take the potty break and grab a drink and a snack or so. Charging is pretty close to done when we get back to the car.

I don’t know what the answer is to all the fears, uncertainties and doubts of everyone. I just bought the car because it was a new idea that I thought I’d try out. Nothing more than that. I’ve enjoyed it.
Hang 5000 lbs of boat/trailer behind it and try to get over the mountains! Buy a 2nd vehicle for towing and pay incredible extra taxes to fund mass transit and discourage driving.
 
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I don’t think our government has mandated an end-date for gas cars? Have they?
WA has a deadline for most of the gov fleet. Seattle has a goal for its streets and it has cameras, plate readers, and windshield transponders which will probably send fines to us as if we blew a light or drove in the toll lanes. The plate readers are good as I tried to do without a transponder but only got charged extra for mailing. Hopefully we will all have OBD2 transponders so EVs can pay road taxes now incorporated into gas prices.
 
Hang 5000 lbs of boat/trailer behind it and try to get over the mountains! Buy a 2nd vehicle for towing and pay incredible extra taxes to fund mass transit and discourage driving.

How do all those diesel ELECTRIC rail locomotives move 100s of thousands of pounds of railcars and cargo over the Rockies, across the Great Plains, and then over the Appalachian Mountains to the east coast, and back again? You do know the diesel engines on a locomotive are only generators, right? Oh, and in Europe and Asia rail transport is almost entirely all electric. So a boat towing EV pickup is just a matter of time.

Yes I know ZZ is talking about his Tesla. You are right a Tesla would make a sucky tow vehicle, so would my Panamera. But then who would want to tow anything with either?
 
This is not true. GM announced by 2035 they will sell only EV vehicles. The Biden administration announced a goal of 50 percent of all vehicles as EV sales by 2030.

They'd better do a LOT of work on the power grid before then....
 
WA has a deadline for most of the gov fleet. Seattle has a goal for its streets and it has cameras, plate readers, and windshield transponders which will probably send fines to us as if we blew a light or drove in the toll lanes. The plate readers are good as I tried to do without a transponder but only got charged extra for mailing. Hopefully we will all have OBD2 transponders so EVs can pay road taxes now incorporated into gas prices.
And you live there because???
 
And you live there because???
We live in a bedroom community adjoining Seattle and try to consider ourselves uninvolved observers. The problem is that all the voters have inhaled and nonsense like climate change permeates the electorate. I try to game the taxes as best I can but every time I buy a new car, I pay an incredible surcharge for mass transit. Maybe the trains will come to a stop in Seattle and the homeless will find shelter.
 
We live in a bedroom community adjoining Seattle and try to consider ourselves uninvolved observers. The problem is that all the voters have inhaled and nonsense like climate change permeates the electorate. I try to game the taxes as best I can but every time I buy a new car, I pay an incredible surcharge for mass transit. Maybe the trains will come to a stop in Seattle and the homeless will find shelter.
That didn't answer my question. At my advanced age I don't put up with crap any more. I personally would soon move. Weather and politics can't be tolerated.
 
At my advanced age I don't put up with crap any more. I personally would soon move. Weather and politics can't be tolerated.
Those two reasons, plus the horrific traffic in the Seattle area are the reasons I live on the east side of the state. It's conservative, it's warm and dry, and a huge traffic jam over here amounts to 5 or 6 cars at a light at the same time.
 
Those two reasons, plus the horrific traffic in the Seattle area are the reasons I live on the east side of the state. It's conservative, it's warm and dry, and a huge traffic jam over here amounts to 5 or 6 cars at a light at the same time.
I had never been in Washington state until I was dragging 53' trailers around the country. I never guessed that the east side of the state was dry and kind of desert-like. I just assumed the whole state was green, wet and full of trees.
 
I had never been in Washington state until I was dragging 53' trailers around the country. I never guessed that the east side of the state was dry and kind of desert-like. I just assumed the whole state was green, wet and full of trees.
Jus Cruisin, S-H-H-H-H-H-H-H, Don't say that too loud. We don't want all those libs from the Wet (no, I didn't misspell that!) side of the state discovering how nice it is over here. They might want to move. :mad:
 
I've never seen the part of Spokane you have imaged. Seem to recall they had a giant chess set under a bridge where we had lunch once. Long as Oly lets me keep using my studs as I do recall some mighty icy streets. Odd flags.
 
Project Orion was only mothballed at the Area, not disassembled as major surface area and mass would be the only way to disturb an incoming, world busting asteroid's trajectory. Could get boat over Pass w/o petroleum. Radiation remains a hazard.
License plate frame: "Number 6 is my Copilot."
 
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Comments in the WSJ this morning suggested that a start-up is in a better position to raise capital than one long established and obligated to disburse earnings to its owners. This might especially apply to boats with their arcane architecture. The claim was also made that Harley could spin off Live Wire because batteries aren't yet light enough for motorcycles-of possible application to trailer boats. I don't trust this fad; Edison said electric cars were the Market's biggest fraud (or something). Here are the comments: "Even after a strong post-pandemic recovery, shares such as GM and VW are very lowly rated relative to EV specialists, which offer investors huge growth potential, as well as to luxury doyen Ferrari. That means Tesla and EV startups can turn to stock investors for the vast sums required to design and build the next generation of cars, while traditional players have to rely on hard-earned cash flows. The latter need ways to level the financial playing field." No electric SeaRays !
 
In some cases it could work. I've looked into them, and for me I would much rather have a 30-foot electric boat than gas, for a variety of reasons. I don't go very far on trips, so it's not the range that concerns me -- it's the price.

I was recrenlty looking at 30' Rand boats. The price for the top electric running gear is more than twice the price of twin 6.2 Mercruisers with Bravo 3s. And almost twice the price of twin 300 outboards. For the same boat that's a big difference, and a barrier to entry for me.

I'm not sure I'd miss gas engines and all the maintenance in a saltwater boat. If given the choice, and I could afford it, I'd go electric outboard before electric inboard.
 
Something to keep in mind for our boats (and airplanes) as compared to cars, is that overland cars only pull around 10-15% power to maintain speed, whereas boats and airplanes run around 75% to maintain their speed. Consequently, the power density required is substantially higher, requiring equally larger storage devices (batteries).
As for charging needs for cars, check out the Aptera with built-in solar panels. Depending on where you live and how many miles you drive in a day, you may not ever have to charge the silly thing. Yes, it's a three-wheeled vehicle, but it's not tiny.
As for concerns about outlawing gas vehicles, it won't happen. What will happen is that they'll get priced out of existence, both through fuel taxes and registrations. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up paying an additional EPA tax on top of those. It's already happening with parts I have plated in California. I get an additional 10% tacked on for an "Environmental Surcharge".
 
There are a lot of efficiencies gained in diesel electric propulsion which is mature. I'm a bit surprised the yacht manufacturers (our sized yachts) haven't offered diesel electric as an option years ago.
Battery storage propulsion is novel but not ready for prime time for anything larger than a dinghy/runabout. We need energy density storage in batteries to the level of hydrocarbon fuels to make the leap which I think is years away. The time it takes to recharge a large battery bank vs fueling with diesel for example doesn't satisfy our appetite to keep moving either.
 

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