Cummins QSC air intake

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  1. Zach312

    Zach312 Active Member

    813
    Jan 23, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    2008 Sea Ray 47 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-600
    Looking for some suggestions/guidance.

    Did some inspections as I am going to try and complete oil changes myself this year, feels like quite the undertaking for the first time.

    I noticed the starboard air filter and surrounding area as black particles. When that air filter was removed there was a bit of oil at the base of the filter and I noticed a part that seemed to be out of place vs the port side.

    Any trouble shooting suggestions would be great. Don't have great access to Cummins mechanics in this area.

    The starboard engine also burns slightly more fuel than the port. Could this contribute?
     

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  2. Jaybeaux

    Jaybeaux Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 3, 2016
    Upper Potomac River
    2006 Sea Ray 48
    Naught On Call
    Cummins QSC-540s with V-Drives
    11 KW Onan Genset
    You posted something similar the other day. My only guess is that the dust is from the serpentine belt. Perhaps the tensioner is going bad. Other than that, I've got nothing.

    Jaybeaux
     
  3. ASH

    ASH Active Member

    297
    Dec 4, 2013
    ia
    Sundancer
    Cummins
    I suspect the black dust is from the underside of your cockpit carpet. Mine did the same thing. It slowly breaks down over time and finds its way through the cracks in your engine access.
     
  4. ocgrant

    ocgrant Official Bahamas Boating Ambassador GOLD Sponsor

    Dec 31, 2006
    Miami / Ft Lauderdale
    H2O Therapy
    2006 Sundancer 48
    Novurania 430DL
    HighField 340-FCT
    Yamaha EX-R
    Raymarine
    PADI DM
    Cummins QSC 540's
    Belt dust. How old? Remove it and check all pulleys, replace with new if you find nothing and retest.
     
  5. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2012
    Florida
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    I saw dust like that one time - was the Adaptor plate wearing out. This was on a QSC600. Particles were fairly uniform - but not exactly uniform.
     
  6. Carver370

    Carver370 Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2007
    New Buffalo Michigan
    2000 Sea Ray 400 Sundancer - Diesel
    T-3116 CAT - 350 HP
    Is this in your 47 Sedan? If so, and this is at the rear part of the engine that looks a lot like the rubber pucks failing in the transmission dampener. Do the black particles look like they are coming from the vent in the bellhousing?
     
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  7. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2012
    Florida
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    Yes, I used the term Adaptor Plate - drew a mind blank for the right term.

    When I saw that I first noticed it was on the air filter. Then I saw it more areas than that. It turned out to be the transmission dampener. My experience was on a 47DB. Seem to remember there was a problem on that boat. They had initially done a dampener which was not quite as hard for smoother engagement - my replacement was a "stiffer" dampener.
     
  8. Zach312

    Zach312 Active Member

    813
    Jan 23, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    2008 Sea Ray 47 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-600
    Thanks, I have seen this as well. This appears to be coming from the air filter area. When removing the airfilter should there be oil there?
     
  9. Zach312

    Zach312 Active Member

    813
    Jan 23, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    2008 Sea Ray 47 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-600
    Belts are less than a year old and this is the opposite side of the engine
     
  10. Zach312

    Zach312 Active Member

    813
    Jan 23, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    2008 Sea Ray 47 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-600
    I was questioning the half 'ring' I note in this picture. Also circled are area it had a small amount of oil. If you see the original pics the port side had this half ring what appears to be in place
     

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  11. Jaybeaux

    Jaybeaux Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 3, 2016
    Upper Potomac River
    2006 Sea Ray 48
    Naught On Call
    Cummins QSC-540s with V-Drives
    11 KW Onan Genset
    That "half ring" as you describe it is just the handle for the insert thing in the air sep. Sorry for the technical term. Step #3 below calls it the service handle on the primary element. In step #4, they reference the drainage window. It should be in the 6 o'clock position. Did your's get turned a bit?

    Jaybeaux

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  12. Zach312

    Zach312 Active Member

    813
    Jan 23, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    2008 Sea Ray 47 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-600
    This is very helpful. Can new elements be purchased?
     
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  13. Mjresq4

    Mjresq4 Member GOLD Sponsor

    83
    Mar 8, 2016
    Rhode Island
    2006 44DA
    Cummins QSC 500
    Raymarine E120's
    Onan 9kw generator
    10' Zodiac with 10hp Tohatsu
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  14. Jaybeaux

    Jaybeaux Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 3, 2016
    Upper Potomac River
    2006 Sea Ray 48
    Naught On Call
    Cummins QSC-540s with V-Drives
    11 KW Onan Genset
    @Zach312 Yes. I replaced mine last year.
     
  15. LattitudeAdjustment

    LattitudeAdjustment Active Member

    223
    Apr 8, 2018
    Palm Harbor FL 28°03’”N 82°46’”W
    2003 480 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM 11's
    Caribe DL12 Center Console Tender
    w 40hp Yamaha
    I am not sure if anyone has answered your question about oil around your air filter. I have QSM-11's in my 480 Sedan and yes, it is common to find some small traces of oil around the inlet of the turbo if that is what you are referring to.
     

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  16. Zach312

    Zach312 Active Member

    813
    Jan 23, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    2008 Sea Ray 47 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-600
    Thanks,

    I will get back to the boat next weekend. All I can think of is the starboard side might not be positioned correctly. The area I circled on the picture below is where oil was found. It appears to have spread to the filter slightly.

    I have seen the issue with the transmission pucks before but the black material isn't rubber in this case and found closer to the air intake vs. the transmission housing
     

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  17. LattitudeAdjustment

    LattitudeAdjustment Active Member

    223
    Apr 8, 2018
    Palm Harbor FL 28°03’”N 82°46’”W
    2003 480 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM 11's
    Caribe DL12 Center Console Tender
    w 40hp Yamaha
    I would consider posting your question on THT and let some them have a whack at it. To me, it does not look bad, but by no means do not take what I say as valid. Lots of good Cummins guys on the hull truth.
     

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