CSR Doesn't Like NFL Like They Used To...

Several seasons ago the Seahawks and the Packers were playing a game, and I believe there were replacement or junior refs at that game. Either way, there was an extremely challenging call regarding a catch in the end zone. A lot of uproar about the play ensued, perhaps many of you recall that.

Roger Goodell’s response to that situation was terrible. He attempted to justify the call. He could have said “Yeah, that was a tough call that could have gone many ways. At the end of the day, we have to go with what was called on the field, learn from it and move on. Instead, his response was insulting to my intelligence and impugning to his integrity (at least for me).

That was the start of the decline for me. Then the whole kneeling thing happened and I believe Roger at the helm handled it extremely poorly (again), and to top that the NFL resigned his contract with ludicrous terms. When Roger is gone I will reassess where I stand with that product. Right now the NFL can kiss off as far as I am concerned. I have so much more time for important things on Sundays nowadays.

Your post reminded me of other things that have happened over the RG era, also reminded me of the saying: don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining.

MM
 
geaux SAINTS!!!!
I was a diehard saints fan and should be enjoying an apparently great season they are having. But Ive not been in the Dome or even watched a game since the nfl made the misguided decision to sanction the disrespect of the very Country that has been so beneficial to them. The kneelers are nothing more than ungrateful attention whores.
I watch (as I always have) college ball, but I figure it’s just a matter of time before the liberals find a way to screw that up as they have done with colleges in general.
 
The NFL gave the kneeling players tacit approval when they didn't do anything about Colon Copperdick when he started taking a knee. Their unspoken approval, or, in other words, their refusal to do anything about it was all those poor, underprivileged millionaires needed to think they had the right to do it.

If the NFL and the team owners and the coaches had any balls they would have laid down the rules right off the bat. Something like "you wanna take a knee, do it out on the sidewalk but you ain't gonna do it on my dime and on my field. If you don't like those rules you can just hike your arse on down the road to another stadium."
 
So these NFL players have about 5 months a year off. Where were they then? Why not travel the country speaking to crowds or filming commercials, etc.? Nope. Didn't hear a peep from them on their own time.
 
So these NFL players have about 5 months a year off. Where were they then? Why not travel the country speaking to crowds or filming commercials, etc.? Nope. Didn't hear a peep from them on their own time.

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner...

Where the heck were they, oh, on vacation.

MM
 
We are die hard Panther fans. We are PSL owners and go to every home game. My son plays football and loves Christian McCaffery and Luke Kuechly. Both are great role models.
 
The NFL gave the kneeling players tacit approval when they didn't do anything about Colon Copperdick when he started taking a knee. Their unspoken approval, or, in other words, their refusal to do anything about it was all those poor, underprivileged millionaires needed to think they had the right to do it.

If the NFL and the team owners and the coaches had any balls they would have laid down the rules right off the bat. Something like "you wanna take a knee, do it out on the sidewalk but you ain't gonna do it on my dime and on my field. If you don't like those rules you can just hike your arse on down the road to another stadium."
That's what the taxpayers ought to say the next time teams start cryin' for a new stadium.
 
That's what the taxpayers ought to say the next time teams start cryin' for a new stadium.

I think taxpayer contribution is going to get more difficult going forward for several reasons.

Cities and states are getting tapped out.

We have lost interest.

The youth has lost interest.

Many stadiums have tons of empty seats.

The home experience is arguably better than the stadium experience.

Questions:

How long will corporations continue to buy season tickets that often go unused, or donated to charity?

Will non sporting liberals and conservatives turned off by kneeling join together in a coalition to stop subsidizing the NFL?

MM
 
Interesting points Mike. I hadn't thought about that but your comments bring to mind conversations I've had with other snowbirds in AZ who have given up on watching football.

The generation that seems to be the most turned off by the kneelers is the baby boomer generation. We're the ones who fought the wars our country was in and we're the ones who are most pi$$ed off by the kneelers. We're also the ones who have tuned out when it comes to turning off the TV on Sundays.

Will we also be the ones who urge our cities not to upgrade stadiums or build new ones?

Right now it's Sunday afternoon, there is plenty of NFL action going on and our TV is off.

My give-a-sh!t factor is about 2 quarts low right now and getting lower all the time.
 
I have been tinkering, reading, and enjoying a down afternoon, no football here either.

I really believe the NFL will be shocked next time they ask for money for a new Stadium. It is insane to tear down a 20 year old facility like Indy did...

MM
 
Questions:

How long will corporations continue to buy season tickets that often go unused, or donated to charity?

Will non sporting liberals and conservatives turned off by kneeling join together in a coalition to stop subsidizing the NFL?

MM

So, we have a suite at Metlife Stadium for all 16 games of the season. We use the suite to entertain clients, reward employees or for team building events. We never have unused tickets (22 per game). We do at times donate them to charities to be sold, typically at charitable events like golf outings. Offering them to a charity is usually done during the pre-season, not during the season, last minute to avoid the tickets going unused. We have a waiting list of employees who'd like to use the tickets for most every game. For us it's a great way to spend a quality 3-4 hours with people that we like in a relaxed, fun environment. When I'm at a game, I've never really been overtly aware of anyone taking a knee or making any other politicized statements, though I wouldn't be surprised if it has or does still happen. The suites surrounding us always appear to be full. Not sure what all that means but I don't see the issue impacting attendance to a very large degree, at least not at Metlife, and that's even with the crappy football being played there this season.
 
Questions:

How long will corporations continue to buy season tickets that often go unused, or donated to charity?

Will non sporting liberals and conservatives turned off by kneeling join together in a coalition to stop subsidizing the NFL?

MM

So, we have a suite at Metlife Stadium for all 16 games of the season. We use the suite to entertain clients, reward employees or for team building events. We never have unused tickets (22 per game). We do at times donate them to charities to be sold, typically at charitable events like golf outings. Offering them to a charity is usually done during the pre-season, not during the season, last minute to avoid the tickets going unused. We have a waiting list of employees who'd like to use the tickets for most every game. For us it's a great way to spend a quality 3-4 hours with people that we like in a relaxed, fun environment. When I'm at a game, I've never really been overtly aware of anyone taking a knee or making any other politicized statements, though I wouldn't be surprised if it has or does still happen. The suites surrounding us always appear to be full. Not sure what all that means but I don't see the issue impacting attendance to a very large degree, at least not at Metlife, and that's even with the crappy football being played there this season.

Good reply Brian, it does not start in the suites, like most things in business, it starts with small business, the canary in the coal mine. It is the insurance agent that gets 2-4 tickets to take the best referring clients or build relationships with suppliers.

I have small business friends around the country and they indicate that interest in their tickets has waned. Look at the cheap prices in the resale market for many games. There still is demand for marquee or rivalry games but run of the mill games by sucky teams are not the draw they once were.

I believe the system is propped up season ticket holders and the market has not yet caught up to the waning interest level. Now a middle manager or a rewarded low level employee would be foolish not to go to mix it up with upper management, no matter the venue.

MM
 
I fully expect there to be a sharp decline in corporations spending money on tickets at sporting events. It has nothing to do with interest, but in the bottom line.

Before Trump's Tax Cuts, businesses could deduct 50% of the cost of entertainment expenses such as meals, event tickets, charitable events, membership fees, etc. The tax cuts eliminated those deductions. If businesses haven't been paying attention, they will get a wake up call on April 15th.
 
So, we have a suite at Metlife Stadium for all 16 games of the season. We use the suite to entertain clients, reward employees or for team building events. We never have unused tickets (22 per game). We do at times donate them to charities to be sold, typically at charitable events like golf outings. Offering them to a charity is usually done during the pre-season, not during the season, last minute to avoid the tickets going unused. We have a waiting list of employees who'd like to use the tickets for most every game. For us it's a great way to spend a quality 3-4 hours with people that we like in a relaxed, fun environment. When I'm at a game, I've never really been overtly aware of anyone taking a knee or making any other politicized statements, though I wouldn't be surprised if it has or does still happen. The suites surrounding us always appear to be full. Not sure what all that means but I don't see the issue impacting attendance to a very large degree, at least not at Metlife, and that's even with the crappy football being played there this season.
OK, let's say for a minute that all those employees who line up for the free tickets had to buy them out of their own pockets.

Do you think they would fork over their own money? I'd bet not. Watch any game between any two teams and most of the time you will see many empty seats in the stands. People just don't give a crap any more about all those spoiled millionaire babies or the causes those millionaires think we all care about.
 
Not saying this is the case but something to think about. NASCAR had a discussion about declining attendance and empty seats and a few had the belief that it is partially because of streaming video on mobile devices and huge screened TV's. A nice 65" TV makes for a good experience, the fridge is closer, bathroom cleaner, and you don't have a drunk spilling beer down your back. I have been to quite a few Steeler games and NASCAR races and while they are fun to attend I would rather watch in my living room. Easier to tell what is going on with the play by play too.
 
Not saying this is the case but something to think about. NASCAR had a discussion about declining attendance and empty seats and a few had the belief that it is partially because of streaming video on mobile devices and huge screened TV's. A nice 65" TV makes for a good experience, the fridge is closer, bathroom cleaner, and you don't have a drunk spilling beer down your back. I have been to quite a few Steeler games and NASCAR races and while they are fun to attend I would rather watch in my living room. Easier to tell what is going on with the play by play too.
Well, the NASCAR issue is pretty much to do with all of the cars being exactly the same (by rules; a lot of rules) and it's all about team drafting and running in the pack - boring; might as well be an IROC series. There is no background story about the manufacturers being an active part of the development scene and that cut throat competition between the Fords and Chevy's. I think it is a different issue than the NFL.
 
Not saying this is the case but something to think about. NASCAR had a discussion about declining attendance and empty seats and a few had the belief that it is partially because of streaming video on mobile devices and huge screened TV's. A nice 65" TV makes for a good experience, the fridge is closer, bathroom cleaner, and you don't have a drunk spilling beer down your back. I have been to quite a few Steeler games and NASCAR races and while they are fun to attend I would rather watch in my living room. Easier to tell what is going on with the play by play too.

Yes, hence my quote: The home experience is arguably better than the stadium experience.

MM
 
Well, the NASCAR issue is pretty much to do with all of the cars being exactly the same (by rules; a lot of rules) and it's all about team drafting and running in the pack - boring; might as well be an IROC series. There is no background story about the manufacturers being an active part of the development scene and that cut throat competition between the Fords and Chevy's. I think it is a different issue than the NFL.

Hey well stated description of what is wrong in NASCAR.

MM
 
Good reply Brian, it does not start in the suites, like most things in business, it starts with small business, the canary in the coal mine. It is the insurance agent that gets 2-4 tickets to take the best referring clients or build relationships with suppliers.

I have small business friends around the country and they indicate that interest in their tickets has waned. Look at the cheap prices in the resale market for many games. There still is demand for marquee or rivalry games but run of the mill games by sucky teams are not the draw they once were.

I believe the system is propped up season ticket holders and the market has not yet caught up to the waning interest level. Now a middle manager or a rewarded low level employee would be foolish not to go to mix it up with upper management, no matter the venue.

MM

Mike, I don’t doubt you are correct on all those points. I do think the concussion issue will loom larger in the future of the NFL rather than kneeling, protesting players. Only time will tell.....
 
Mike, I don’t doubt you are correct on all those points. I do think the concussion issue will loom larger in the future of the NFL rather than kneeling, protesting players. Only time will tell.....

Unfortunately for the NFL it is coming from all sides. It seems like everything always went their way and now it doesn't. But all the death by a thousand paper cuts would not be as noticeable if they were not already bleeding from cutting off their own hand...

MM
 

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