COVID vaccine or not ?

Discussion in 'The Tiki Bar' started by Blueone, Dec 1, 2020.

Will you get the COVID vaccine?...

  1. Heck yes.. first in line

    54 vote(s)
    45.4%
  2. You go first and I will wait and see

    35 vote(s)
    29.4%
  3. I am already part of the herd

    9 vote(s)
    7.6%
  4. Absolutely not

    21 vote(s)
    17.6%
  1. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2014
    Chicago IL./Vero Beach, Fl
    1970 SRV 180 w 2.5L Mercruiser.
    2000 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer
    120HP Mercruiser
    Every year the common flu virus is a “new” mutation. COVID 19 has been mutating since day one.

    Here come the British... again.
     
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  2. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
    You lost me at 6 MIN read :)
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2020
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  3. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2014
    Chicago IL./Vero Beach, Fl
    1970 SRV 180 w 2.5L Mercruiser.
    2000 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer
    120HP Mercruiser
    “...a new strain...” is the counter to any optimism about the vaccine by the public. Have to find ways to keep you masked up and locked down eh.
     
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  4. Third Edition

    Third Edition Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    To some medical experts type 2 diabetes is the most preventable disease. Totally up to the individual whether they get it or not. This is not a secret. Everyone in the US has heard it. Some choose to ignore it. To their own peril.

    Vitamin D deficiency, on the other hand, is strictly the fault of the medical profession. Even though it is well known that Covid-19 strikes harder at those who are VitD deficient (especially people with darker pigmented skin), do you see or hear the medical profession, dermatologists especially, changing their message? IMO dermatologists in particular are very culpable here because of their mantra of "put on sunscreen before going out in the sun", though sun on the skin can produce VitC.

    The medical profession as a whole is culpable for never promoting to the general public the many health benefits of VitD.

    Just my 2c.
     
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  5. Creekwood

    Creekwood Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 26, 2009
    Oakville and Georgian Bay, Ontario
    '97 330 Sundancer, Raymarine C80 suite with radar, Mercury 310 Hypalon w/8hp Yammie 2stk
    2X 454 carbs w/ vDrives
    You aren't fooling me for a second. You have way more attention span that that - when you want.

    I always read voraciously. I even read a bunch of the threads on the site that El Capitan quoted from. And when someone tells me I don't understand something, I don't fire back a snowflake insult, I actually go and read as much as I can. If I am wrong about something, I admit it. Most of the time I end up understanding more about the other perspective on issues that are not black and white (not being racist :)). I generally don't change my mind in that case, but understanding of perspectives is important to rational points of view and decisions.

    Sorry, probably lost you at "attention span";)
     
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  6. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2014
    Chicago IL./Vero Beach, Fl
    1970 SRV 180 w 2.5L Mercruiser.
    2000 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer
    120HP Mercruiser
    Why would they be proactive in healthcare? That's just not good for business. Ever wonder why chiropractors are shunned by the medical profession? What they can cure and resolve in minutes for a fraction of the cost orthopedic surgeons do for thou$ands of dollars and months of physical therapy and rehab. The "system" would go broke if we actually cured and fixed problems.
     
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  7. OllieC

    OllieC Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 11, 2013
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    I scrolled and only read, "Australia, Sydney flared ". Must be about hemorrhoids.
     
  8. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2014
    Chicago IL./Vero Beach, Fl
    1970 SRV 180 w 2.5L Mercruiser.
    2000 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer
    120HP Mercruiser
  9. Third Edition

    Third Edition Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    Because prevention.
     
  10. OllieC

    OllieC Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 11, 2013
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    1B990229-3FA6-4744-9D12-22C18993D002.jpeg
     
  11. northern

    northern Well-Known Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    Anacortes Washington
    380 Aft Cabin 1989 Charts Timezero radar Furuno
    Twin 454 strait shaft
    We did work for a large Canadian oil company in the winter in the north. They supplied all workers with vitamin D. No idea if it helped people not get sick. Our crew of 160 never had a sick day.
     
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  12. mratlndmrk

    mratlndmrk Well-Known Member

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  13. Golfman25

    Golfman25 Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2009
    IL
    1998 370 Sundancer
    7.4 MPI
    Article makes some good points. But probably some ethical questions with regard to forced exposure after the vaccine. But once they had enough data for the risk profiles -- ie; young and healthy have good odds, they could have gotten it done. But I think the big setback would be getting the manufactuirng infrustructure in place to make the millions of doses needed. I do think they could have offered it to the elderly early on to get them out of "jail." If you where 80 and missing your family, an uproven shot just might be worth it. All in all, it was still record pace.
     
  14. GnrlPatton

    GnrlPatton Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    Damn! I see where you got your screen name from then! :D
     
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  15. alnav

    alnav Well-Known Member

    Sep 16, 2009
    West River, MD
    40 MY
    QSB 425
    The challenge trial issue is quite a bit more complicated than the author seems to make it out. There have been efforts along those lines. AstraZeneca/Oxford had a plan and was moving towards a trial. The problem was related to how to infect the volunteers. The virus would have to be "grown" and calibrated so as to get meaningful results and that isn't an easy task. It turns out that moving down the standard path of Phase I/II/III (albeit streamlined and with some steps taken in parallel) and letting the subjects get exposed in the wild was just as fast as setting up a challenge. There's also the issue Golfman25 cites: the long pole in the tent is manufacturing the vaccine at scale and those efforts were started almost as soon as the vaccines were invented and are only now starting to produce useful numbers of shots.
     
  16. El Capitan

    El Capitan Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2014
    Chicago IL./Vero Beach, Fl
    1970 SRV 180 w 2.5L Mercruiser.
    2000 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer
    120HP Mercruiser
  17. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
  18. Golfman25

    Golfman25 Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2009
    IL
    1998 370 Sundancer
    7.4 MPI
    Yeah. Article seems sloppy.
     
  19. alnav

    alnav Well-Known Member

    Sep 16, 2009
    West River, MD
    40 MY
    QSB 425
    The article is saying that the duration of effectiveness has only been proven as of the date of the last snapshot of the trial data. True, but the indications from the levels of antibodies found indicate the duration will end up being much longer; only time will tell.
    I'm a little surprised that the number of "health impact events" is as small as reported. The documentation I've seen has been quite clear in regards to the chance that the vaccine might put a person down for a day as their immune system kicks in.
     
  20. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
    You would think trials would have given a better picture of effectiveness
     

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