COVID vaccine or not ?

Will you get the COVID vaccine?...

  • Heck yes.. first in line

    Votes: 54 45.4%

  • You go first and I will wait and see

    Votes: 35 29.4%

  • I am already part of the herd

    Votes: 9 7.6%

  • Absolutely not

    Votes: 21 17.6%
  • Total voters
    119
Blueone said:
It was kinda white...try more diversity next time
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Ya, I remember when my son wanted to be Michael Jackson but he didn't want to go to the beauty parlor alone...so I had to go and get my hair curled with him. We did some moon walking, hell I even did some moon walkin' down at the bar after I had a few.:p

All this has me thinking, My God...what have I done to my son, he goes to Walmart and votes Republican like me too. I've found out in recent years that's a sign of racism also.:( My bad, I hope I can be forgiven...what was I thinking.

Sorry Son...I thought we were cool too
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On a more positive note, this is an interesting explanation of the differences between the two approved vaccines:
Explainer: How the Moderna vaccine stacks up against Pfizer/BioNTech's
By Michael Erman


NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. regulators authorized Moderna Inc’s COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use on Friday, a week after granting the first U.S. authorization to Pfizer Inc and BioNTech SE’s coronavirus shot.
FILE PHOTO: Coronavirus: On November 16, 2020, US biotech company Moderna announced a vaccine against COVID-19 that is 94.5% effective. Montreal, November 16, 2020
The following is a comparison of the two vaccines and what to expect as both become available:

HOW ARE THE VACCINES SIMILAR?
Both vaccines use messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, which contains instructions for human cells to make proteins that mimic part of the coronavirus. The instructions spur the immune system into action, turning the body into a virus-zapping vaccine factory. No actual virus is contained in the vaccines.

Both the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines target the crown-like spikes on the surface of the coronavirus that it uses to break into healthy human cells. The spikes also give the family of viruses their distinctive name.

The vaccines appear to be similarly effective. Pfizer and BioNTech’s vaccine was around 95% effective at preventing disease symptoms in its late-stage trial, while Moderna’s vaccine was around 94% effective.

Both are given in two doses; Pfizer’s 21 days apart and Moderna’s 28 days apart. Very few participants who received the vaccine in either trial got sick with COVID-19 and almost none got seriously ill.

Data the companies have submitted to the Food and Drug Administration suggest that they start offering partial protection against COVID-19 around two weeks after recipients receive their first dose.

HOW ARE THEY DIFFERENT?
COLD VS ULTRA-COLD
The main difference between the two vaccines is the temperature required to keep them stable long-term.

Pfizer’s vaccine must be stored at ultra-cold temperatures of minus 70 degrees Celsius (-94 Fahrenheit). Once thawed, it can only be refrigerated for 5 days. The vaccine requires a special shipping container packed with dry ice to keep it at the proper temperature.

Moderna’s vaccine can be stored at standard freezer temperatures of -20 Celsius (-4 Fahrenheit) for up to six months. After it’s thawed, it can be kept in a refrigerator for up to 30 days.

SIDE EFFECTS AND SAFETY
Neither of the two large-scale clinical trials of the vaccines turned up any serious long-term side effects. But the vaccines do have slightly different short-term side effect profiles.

While the vaccines have not been compared head-to-head, Moderna’s vaccine appears to be associated with slightly more severe cases of fatigue, headache and fever in the day or two following the second shot, especially in people younger than 65.

Although not seen in its clinical trial, Pfizer’s vaccine has been linked with a few cases of severe allergic reactions as it has been rolled out in the UK and the United States. At least two healthcare workers in Britain and two in Alaska have reported severe allergic reactions soon after receiving the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

Britain’s medical regulator has said anyone with a history of anaphylaxis, or severe allergic reactions to a medicine or food should not get the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.

But the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has said it should be safe for most Americans with allergies to receive the vaccine.

WILL MASKS STILL BE NEEDED?
More data is needed to understand exactly how effective either vaccine is at preventing virus transmission. While they are both highly effective at keeping symptoms and severe illness at bay, we do not know if they prevent someone from becoming infected. Until that is known, experts say, masks will still be needed to ensure that vaccinated people do not spread the virus.

WILL AMERICANS GET TO CHOOSE?
At this point, with vaccines in short supply, few people will have the luxury of expressing a preference of which they receive. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recommended that the first doses be given to healthcare workers and residents in long-term care facilities and most states plan to do that.

Reporting by Michael Erman; Additional reporting by Julie Steenhuysen; Editing by Caroline Humer and Bill Berkrot
 
El Capitan said:
Snowflake. Little needle made a boo boo. Puleeze. They probably took too much blood and your pressure dropped.
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And you are whats wrong with social media, you have no idea who I am. You have no idea what I am like. You have no idea what that nurse goes through. But you decide people are liars, that its a plot against society.
You cant have a civil discussion or listen to other experiences without immediately questioning there motives. It’s not possible in your mind they are just sharing openly.
You’re a troll that only posts under a screen name. I and many others have no fear of using our given names. I’m on Facebook and MeWe under the same name.

This is why I usually stick to the technical threads and that’s what I’m going back to.

But as I go so you do know me a little better. I am retired USCG Machinery Technician, a certified boarding officer and Federal Law enforcement officer. I am an expert with pistol, rifle and shotgun. I have been involved in narcotics seizures and arrests. I have pulled a family from their 36ft sailboat 200 miles off Cape May in a full gale using a twenty foot Zodiac inflatable. As well as pulling in the bodies of those unfortunate souls from a petroleum rig helicopter crash. And numerous other SAR cases. I am proud to have been raised by a Marine and raised a family of my own.

So if we ever meet please introduce yourself and call me snowflake to my face if you have the balls.

Dont bother to reply already added you to my ignore list.
 
Woody said:
Ya, I remember when my son wanted to be Michael Jackson but he didn't want to go to the beauty parlor alone...so I had to go and get my hair curled with him. We did some moon walking, hell I even did some moon walkin' down at the bar after I had a few.:p

All this has me thinking, My God...what have I done to my son, he goes to Walmart and votes Republican like me too. I've found out in recent years that's a sign of racism also.:( My bad, I hope I can be forgiven...what was I thinking.

Sorry Son...I thought we were cool too
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A friend of mine was Michael Jackson in the middle school talent show back in the early 80s. He wore black face and danced to a “whatever” Michael Jackson song - as a tribute. He won.
 
OllieC said:
The ‘kinda white’ fell and was hurt in the name of diversity, so the video is now not racist.
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Phew, thanks Ollie....my wife don't put up with any racist stuff, I was worried she'd leave me if she saw that post after folks said it was racist. I don't want her to leave...I'd never be able to hook another one like her now that I'm old and feeble. I think I posted this before...this isn't my wife but she used to look like this 50 years ago:)
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I think it's racist that blacks are higher up the waiting list than whites. It should be by risk/need. The only reason a particular group would be more prone would be because they weren't as careful or didn't follow the rules. That isn't a race issue, it's a behavior/responsibility issue. COVID isn't prejudiced, it will hit whoever it has the opportunity to hit. Sure even people that are careful still get it but if it affects a particular population more than that population is doing something different. Not my fault or anyone elses fault that followed the rules so why 'punish' the ones that followed the rules? What the CDC is doing is the classic racist move
 
The CDC is confusing race with medical condition. Sure, minority populations have a higher incidence of co-morbidities as they tend to lead a less healthy lifestyle -- lack of healthy foods, medical care, etc. in inner city neighborhoods. But if you're diabetic, for example, you should be in the same line regardless of your race.
 
Woody said:
Phew, thanks Ollie....my wife don't put up with any racist stuff, I was worried she'd leave me if she saw that post after folks said it was racist. I don't want her to leave...I'd never be able to hook another one like her now that I'm old and feeble. I think I posted this before...this isn't my wife but she used to look like this 50 years ago:)
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Oh my!!
 
boatman37 said:
I think it's racist that blacks are higher up the waiting list than whites. It should be by risk/need. The only reason a particular group would be more prone would be because they weren't as careful or didn't follow the rules. That isn't a race issue, it's a behavior/responsibility issue. COVID isn't prejudiced, it will hit whoever it has the opportunity to hit. Sure even people that are careful still get it but if it affects a particular population more than that population is doing something different. Not my fault or anyone elses fault that followed the rules so why 'punish' the ones that followed the rules? What the CDC is doing is the classic racist move
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The CDC and government is in general Racist as evidenced by so many policies that basically imply that Black/brown populations can't be expected to act responsibly. I happen to not be Black/Brown, no fault of my own as I see it, but I think that I would be wholly offended if I were. Regardless of race those most likely to become infected, due to their circumstance and then likely to have a severe outcome need to be Vaccinated first. Now how to make that determination after one first takes care of the first obvious subsets will be a very complicated can of worms that will prove to be a shit show no matter who is in charge.
Carpe Diem
 
boatman37 said:
I think it's racist that blacks are higher up the waiting list than whites. It should be by risk/need. The only reason a particular group would be more prone would be because they weren't as careful or didn't follow the rules. That isn't a race issue, it's a behavior/responsibility issue. COVID isn't prejudiced, it will hit whoever it has the opportunity to hit. Sure even people that are careful still get it but if it affects a particular population more than that population is doing something different. Not my fault or anyone elses fault that followed the rules so why 'punish' the ones that followed the rules? What the CDC is doing is the classic racist move
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I agree in principle but I think you’re missing the real reason they’re first in line. See abortion.

The only clinical reason is that blacks are known to be prone to certain diseases ie hypertension, diabetes ( which for me is a contraindication for this experimental vaccine).
 
Well, we all knew this was going to happen. I hope we find out quickly if the vaccines are effective on this variant. 70% more infectious is pretty significant.

World closes borders to Britain as new coronavirus strain breeds panic
By Gerhard Mey, Ben Makori

6 MIN READ

DOVER, England (Reuters) - More countries closed their borders to Britain on Monday over fears of a highly infectious new coronavirus strain, heightening global panic, causing travel chaos and raising the prospect of UK food shortages just days before the Brexit cliff edge.

India, Poland, Switzerland, Russia and Hong Kong suspended travel for Britons after Prime Minister Boris Johnson warned that a mutated variant of the virus up to 70% more infectious had been identified in the country, while Japan and South Korea said they were monitoring the situation.

A slew of countries have already suspended travel, including France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Austria, Ireland, Belgium, Israel and Canada.

The discovery of the new strain, just months before vaccines are expected to be widely available, sowed fresh panic in a pandemic that has killed about 1.7 million people worldwide and more than 67,000 in Britain.

Australia said two people who travelled from the United Kingdom to New South Wales state were found to be carrying the mutated virus.

Johnson will chair an emergency response meeting on Monday to discuss international travel, in particular the flow of freight in and out of Britain. EU officials held a meeting on coordinating their response.

France shut its border to arrivals of people and trucks from Britain, closing off one of the most important trade arteries with mainland Europe.

As families and truck drivers tried to navigate the travel bans to get back home in time for Christmas, Britain’s second-largest supermarket chain, Sainsbury’s, said gaps would start to appear on shelves within days if transport ties were not quickly restored with mainland Europe.

“If nothing changes, we will start to see gaps over the coming days on lettuce, some salad leaves, cauliflowers, broccoli and citrus fruit – all of which are imported from the continent at this time of year,” Sainsbury’s said.

Shellfish producers in Scotland said they had tonnes of perishable products stranded on roads as the French border was closed. Disruption in Britain will also snarl supplies to Ireland.

“No driver wants to deliver to the UK now, so the UK is going to see its freight supply dry up,” France’s FNTR national road haulage federation said.

The global alarm was reflected in financial markets. European shares slumped, with travel and leisure stocks bearing the brunt of the pain; British Airways-owner IAG and easyJet fell about 8%, while Air France KLM lost about 7%.

The British pound tumbled 2.5% against the dollar, and was on course for its biggest one-day drop since March, while the yield on two-year UK government bonds hit a record low.

Britain’s tabloids bemoaned the crisis. “Sick Man of Europe”, the Daily Mirror newspaper said on its front page beside a picture of Johnson while the Sun newspaper said “French show no merci”.

NEW MUTATION
Johnson cancelled Christmas plans for millions of British people on Saturday due to the more infectious strain of the coronavirus, though he said there was no evidence that it was either more lethal or caused a more severe illness.

The new variant contains 23 different changes, many of them associated with how it binds to cells and enters them. British Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said Britain had done some of the best global analysis of the mutations of the virus so it was simply seeing what was already at large in other countries.

Shapps said getting the bans lifted as swiftly as possible was his priority but that given British preparations for the end of the Brexit transition period on Dec. 31, the country was well positioned for disruption.

The British government triggered plans it had for stacking up trucks in the southeast county of Kent - part of its plans for potential disruption when the United Kingdom exits the EU’s orbit with - or without - a trade deal at 2300 GMT on Dec. 31.

Talks on a Brexit trade deal were due to continue on Monday.

“This is a serious situation as the stockpiled goods expected here are for Christmas and to help stabilise January,” Jon Swallow, a director of the British logistics group Jordon Freight, told Reuters. “This shows how fragile the cross-channel route is.”

ASIAN INFECTIONS
The new virus strain has been identified in Britain at a time when COVID-19 cases have surged in several Asian countries that had previously successfully contained the pandemic. The spikes have prompted localised lockdowns in some countries and more aggressive testing.

South Korea, which imposes a 14-day quarantine on everyone entering the country, said it was reviewing new measures for flights from Britain, and would test twice those coming in from there before they were released from quarantine.

New cases climbed to over 1,000 a day in South Korea several times last week. It reported on Sunday an outbreak in a Seoul prison where 188 inmates and staff were infected.

Thailand said on Sunday it was testing tens of thousands of people, and extended curbs on movement, following its worst outbreak yet that began at a market in a province that is a centre of the seafood industry and home to thousands of migrant workers.

Australia, where cases in Sydney have flared in recent days, cancelled dozens of domestic flights on Monday. New South Wales, which has reported 86 new local cases since Thursday, ordered more than a 250,000 people into a lockdown, though officials stressed the infections were not the UK strain.

Additional reporting by Toby Melville and James Davey in London, Laurence Frost in Paris; Sayantani Ghosh in Singapore, Josh Smith and Sangmi Cha in Seoul, Renju Jose in Sydney, Shilpa Jamkhandikar in Mumbai and Farah Master in Hong Kong; Writing by Guy Faulconbridge and Pravin Char; Editing by Alison Williams
 
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