Very true. My wife still holds a grudge about a trip to Daytona Beach for spring break where she paid for fuel (in her diesel rabbit no less). Buying her a big ass house still has not made up for that 40 bucks.
Cost of gas vs cost of Friendship?
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Very true. My wife still holds a grudge about a trip to Daytona Beach for spring break where she paid for fuel (in her diesel rabbit no less). Buying her a big ass house still has not made up for that 40 bucks.
rondds
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A grudge a woman holds against another woman is FAR worse!
douglee25
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Gosh, isn't that the truth! It especially sucks when your good friends with the woman's husband/boyfriend. Now it's like if you even talk to him you're not supporting your wife/girlfriend.
BS! :smt021
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Most women will readily admit they were always better friends with the "guys" than the girls.
Girl on girl seems to be catty often times. But fun to watch.
Girl on girl seems to be catty often times. But fun to watch.
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billandamy
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The last time I posted this image, it was deleted by the powers that be :smt013
Oh boy. . .a topic.
I fall in the camp of splitting the bill evenly between the number of people. Makes life easy. And no good ever comes out of "put in what you feel is best". The tab is always $30 under or $30 over.
One set of friends . . .this couple will typically SHARE an entree. Is that one person or two people eating? Consider that because they share an entree. . . they generally order two salads. And yes. . they have two sets of drinks. The math makes my head hurt.
The only time it ever works out easily is when a boat is involved (we both own one), at which point the guest picks up the entire bill.
As for planes. . .yeah. . that can be interesting. We have friends in a flying club. Typically, the planes were "charged out" at $50-$70/hr (have not been on one recently). I have typically split costs with the pilot on those occassions.
I fall in the camp of splitting the bill evenly between the number of people. Makes life easy. And no good ever comes out of "put in what you feel is best". The tab is always $30 under or $30 over.
One set of friends . . .this couple will typically SHARE an entree. Is that one person or two people eating? Consider that because they share an entree. . . they generally order two salads. And yes. . they have two sets of drinks. The math makes my head hurt.
The only time it ever works out easily is when a boat is involved (we both own one), at which point the guest picks up the entire bill.
As for planes. . .yeah. . that can be interesting. We have friends in a flying club. Typically, the planes were "charged out" at $50-$70/hr (have not been on one recently). I have typically split costs with the pilot on those occassions.
Woody
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Comsnark gets headaches from the math. Some others are irritated when their buddies figure it out to the penny. Why don't you tell the the waitress whos on what bill and let her figure it out? Then everyone pays what their supposed to. No headaches and no irritation.
67vetteal
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How about the guy who splits dinner with you, then pockets your half,(Cash), and pays using his company expense credit card? Hmmmmmm! Al W.
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That's OK with me. He's stuck with the bill 27 days later. His problem. I'll kid with a friend of mine who does that and call myself his ATM. They get the points, I pay with the money I printed in the basement and everyone's happy.
For some reason which I don't understand, MANY restaurants refuse to do separate checks. That would make things extremely simple. Any restauranteurs here that can explain what the issue with separate checks is?
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Two issues with separate checks from my experience in the restaurant business.....
Waitpersons are very busy and have a lot of balls in the air....when they are busy, the kitchen is caos!!!:smt101.....you have a party of eight with 4 separate checks....the waitperson forgets to 'put up' all 4 orders and one couple at the table is now pissed and the timing is off and the chef gets pissed...etc, etc, etc...multiply that by 40 or so tables every night and you can see it becomes just something else that they have to keep in order.
second....folks order more when they know they are going to be chipping in for the bill. The more they order, the more they spend. It goes like this....I wasn't going to order the lobster, but since you did, I might as well....I really didn't want another beer, but since you had one, I might as well..etc.etc...
Oh...and then there's the coupon and specials issues....that really gets to be fun.....I once had a Catholic Priest accuse me of overcharging a child when we were running a 2 for 1 entree special....he came in with a party of 7 and one of them was a child around 11 or 12.....2 for 1 ....you pay for the highest price entree, the lower priced entree is free. You come in with six....you get the 3 lowest priced free....you come in with seven....you get the 3 lowest priced free....he went on to say that my concious should be bothering me.....I still charged them for 4....
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Now that's a good point! :thumbsup:
But I have also heard that just "pitching - in" for fuel may not be considered "For Hire".
Controversial! :huh:
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There's a place for people like you!!!
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OK, OK ...I can relate to this one. I was invisted to a freinds cottage on the River one weekend. When we went out to dinner I paid my way. Also I arrived with some itmes such as food, drinks and a gift for the invite.
After the weekend my friend approached me and said I owed him an amount of money for my share of the expenses for the weekend. It entailed many simple things like the food they offered but also they prorated the electrical cost estimated for the cottage use that weekend. Yes, my first reaction...I was TICKED!
My second reaction...I was TICKED!...but very calmly I told them this.
Disregarding we were friends...if I were a stranger, it would be their responsibility to let people know they are expected to share costs, cause had I known, I would not have come for the weekend. It wasn't a pretty scene at first...but we are still very good freinds for being honest with each other....and BTW, I don't think he charges anyone anymore other than his mother-in-law...in hopes she won't visit.
Personally, I have never charged anyone for boating with me. When I took guys skiing, I asked they share in for gas, food and drinks that I supplied. It was all up-n-up prior to going...and back in the 70's we could ski all day, eat and drink in a 17 foot ski boat..all day for $30/each. My frineds knew that was a bargain since they spent more money at the bar on Friday nites.
My philosophy is this. If I have to go fishing or boating, the cost would be the same for myslef regardless if I take others. Six people on my boat doesn't use any more gas than just me on there.
My final comment, as a Southernly Boating Gentleman is that people like that seem CHEAP....God Bless Them.
After the weekend my friend approached me and said I owed him an amount of money for my share of the expenses for the weekend. It entailed many simple things like the food they offered but also they prorated the electrical cost estimated for the cottage use that weekend. Yes, my first reaction...I was TICKED!
My second reaction...I was TICKED!...but very calmly I told them this.
Disregarding we were friends...if I were a stranger, it would be their responsibility to let people know they are expected to share costs, cause had I known, I would not have come for the weekend. It wasn't a pretty scene at first...but we are still very good freinds for being honest with each other....and BTW, I don't think he charges anyone anymore other than his mother-in-law...in hopes she won't visit.
Personally, I have never charged anyone for boating with me. When I took guys skiing, I asked they share in for gas, food and drinks that I supplied. It was all up-n-up prior to going...and back in the 70's we could ski all day, eat and drink in a 17 foot ski boat..all day for $30/each. My frineds knew that was a bargain since they spent more money at the bar on Friday nites.
My philosophy is this. If I have to go fishing or boating, the cost would be the same for myslef regardless if I take others. Six people on my boat doesn't use any more gas than just me on there.
My final comment, as a Southernly Boating Gentleman is that people like that seem CHEAP....God Bless Them.
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douglee25
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I remember my parents telling me a story when my one Aunt invited several of her family members (her brother and sisters along with their families, etc) down to Myrtle Beach one summer. My Aunt had planned a vacation with her family originally and months later opened it up to other family memebers because the house was so big. My parents and brother and sister were already going to Florida for a week so they decided to stop down to Myrtle Beach on the way for a couple days. Before my parents and brother/sister departed, my Aunt came to my Dad and said they owed her like $1500 for the 2.5 days that they stayed! My Dad gave her a look like WTF are you talking about? I don't know what he ended up paying or what he said, but that was the last time we took her up on any future offers.
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I've thought abt this one several times since it happened. When I was fresh out of school (translation: I HAD LITTLE TO NO MONEY), myself and three friends got four season tix to NY Jets games (anyone remember Browning Nagle??). None of us were married yet and we were all pretty much in our first professional jobs.
There were instances that all four of us couldn't go together so tickets were available. On one occasion, I went to a game with my girlfriend and I invited another friend (not one of the ticket holders) to the game with his girlfriend. If memory serves me, he offered me money for the two tickets and I took it. Was that lame? Of course I didn't keep that money, it went to the other two guys who DID NOT go to that particular game.
I guess what is in question here is each party's definition of an "invite." Gray area that is subject to interpretation. Doug's Aunt's definition of her "invite" was clearly different from his Dad's definition. That's when things get real WEIRD.
There were instances that all four of us couldn't go together so tickets were available. On one occasion, I went to a game with my girlfriend and I invited another friend (not one of the ticket holders) to the game with his girlfriend. If memory serves me, he offered me money for the two tickets and I took it. Was that lame? Of course I didn't keep that money, it went to the other two guys who DID NOT go to that particular game.
I guess what is in question here is each party's definition of an "invite." Gray area that is subject to interpretation. Doug's Aunt's definition of her "invite" was clearly different from his Dad's definition. That's when things get real WEIRD.
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Well..some may think soem of these THREADS are worthless, but I say, they are valuable since they generate conversation and interaction of fellow boaters...OK enough BS....
Here is a thought about this subject to use it to ONES ADVANTAGE. Next time you Winterize your boat, call on your friends that make you share the costs of an invite on their boat. Let them help you winterize..and when all is done...present them with the bill for their half of the expenses.
Seriously, for those who insist on asking freinds to share gas expenses, I can recommned this. Give them two alternatives and be sure your present this at least one mile from any shoreline. They can pay thier portion of the gas bill or you can sell them the life jacket for a nickel. They may not purchase the life jacket but it does increse your odds of collecting gas money.
Here is a thought about this subject to use it to ONES ADVANTAGE. Next time you Winterize your boat, call on your friends that make you share the costs of an invite on their boat. Let them help you winterize..and when all is done...present them with the bill for their half of the expenses.
Seriously, for those who insist on asking freinds to share gas expenses, I can recommned this. Give them two alternatives and be sure your present this at least one mile from any shoreline. They can pay thier portion of the gas bill or you can sell them the life jacket for a nickel. They may not purchase the life jacket but it does increse your odds of collecting gas money.
Zeppi
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I live in a debit/credit card world. I normally don't have more than $40 cash on me at any givin time. What would have happened if you just gave the guy $10 or $20? Do you think he would have been offended? Would you have been shunned? He would have been pizzed at me because I would have handed him a $5 and told him that's all I had (allways keep a $5 in a different pocket)
I'd say you were set up. He new you had money and he made sure to fill up when you were there.
I can tell from the post that this guy has some social issues. Yes, I'm sure he's fun to be around (must be to invite him on 2 trips). Like the other posters have said, he probably won't get it (polite people in certain levels of society are not supposed to that way).
It really boils down to this. His behavior has never changed and never will (even if you explain it to him). So, it is up to you. Let it go (and use more caution), confront him (he might not get the picture or what your problem is), or my favorite (distance is your friend) and find another friend.
I agree with not asking for gas money. Most people who really want to chip in do it in private or leave money where the owner will find it. People that bring up the subject of money in front of other people often do it to either look good (impress someone), or they know you will avoid the subject and they'll get a free ride, or they are feeling you out (finding out how deep your pockets are).
I'd say you were set up. He new you had money and he made sure to fill up when you were there.
I can tell from the post that this guy has some social issues. Yes, I'm sure he's fun to be around (must be to invite him on 2 trips). Like the other posters have said, he probably won't get it (polite people in certain levels of society are not supposed to that way).
It really boils down to this. His behavior has never changed and never will (even if you explain it to him). So, it is up to you. Let it go (and use more caution), confront him (he might not get the picture or what your problem is), or my favorite (distance is your friend) and find another friend.
I agree with not asking for gas money. Most people who really want to chip in do it in private or leave money where the owner will find it. People that bring up the subject of money in front of other people often do it to either look good (impress someone), or they know you will avoid the subject and they'll get a free ride, or they are feeling you out (finding out how deep your pockets are).
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Overall, I really like having fun with my guests and often love putting them in uncomfortable positions when it comes to helping with gas, etc.! : ) Am I evil? Well... maybe, but usually we end up laughing about everything.
Some non-boating friends always seem to equate gas-usage in a boat with the usage in a vehicle. I just love answering the "can we help out with gas?" question with a couple of hundred figure. It's great to see the horror in their eyes!!
I would have handled the original poster's "Presentation" differently. When the friend asked about helping out, I would have mentioned that we had talked about the $300.00 figure and everything was worked out already with him. Then I would have come to a quick "oh, I remember"... when he started arguing that the figure was $200.00, not $300.00 : )
In all seriousness, a stop to the gas pump is always best before departure.
Some non-boating friends always seem to equate gas-usage in a boat with the usage in a vehicle. I just love answering the "can we help out with gas?" question with a couple of hundred figure. It's great to see the horror in their eyes!!
I would have handled the original poster's "Presentation" differently. When the friend asked about helping out, I would have mentioned that we had talked about the $300.00 figure and everything was worked out already with him. Then I would have come to a quick "oh, I remember"... when he started arguing that the figure was $200.00, not $300.00 : )
In all seriousness, a stop to the gas pump is always best before departure.
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I always have my marina fill up the boat before they put it in the water for this very reason. But there are times when you have to go fill up with guests on the boat. Oh well, I guess I'm blessed with friends that aren't cheap. The arguments get pretty amusing when I refuse the offers though.
