Captain course benefits

Sky - You made me re-think - I was just just trying to help Brad clarify his thoughts - So I just got off the phone with the coast guard (sector long island sound). They clearly stated that a person with a 6-pack cannot operate our tender/launch. If a person has a 50 ton they can. He also stated that a person with a tender license, doesn't not have a 6-pack. They are only certified for limited harbor use. Our tender holds more than 6 people. Maybe its different in MD but I thought it was the same and since Brad and I operate in the same waters, I just thought I would let him know that I thought a tender cert is not the same as a 6-pack.

I looked into this because my friend is a captain of the local fire department boat and wanted to run our tender on weekends for a few extra bucks. When I checked on this, I found out he can't. Today I just re-confirmed .

Sorry to highjack

 

I think your mistaken by what they said. I also just called Eaton's Neck and they referred me to the below quotes. But most Launches cannot have more then 6 passengers. And the OUPV is the reason for that. The tender license is sometimes called the OUPV Limited license and that is a subset of the standard OUPV license.

A 25/50/100 ton license is not limited to the amount of paying people on the vessel but to the weight classification of the vessel. So unless your launch is classified greater then 25 ton, then you would need a 50 ton license. But in all cases a 25 ton license has the same standing as the 50/100 when it comes to a launch.

With regard to your captain friend and the fire boat, that is absolutely correct. He would need a 25-ton at a minimum. At my last Yacht Club in Stony Brook, NY. We kept the local fire boat there. The captain (my friend) needed to have a 50 ton license to operate the twin engine inflatable boat with a single nozzle pump on it.

Quoted from the USCG site:

OUPV (6-pack)
National Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessel (OUPV) of Less Than 100 GRT

This officer endorsement is most appropriate for uninspected passenger vessels which by law are limited to six or less passengers for hire. These are usually smaller vessels and normally engage in charter fishing, whale watching, SCUBA diving, and tour cruises.

OUPV Near Coastal endorsements may be limited to 100 miles offshore, Inland or Great Lakes in accordance with 46 CFR 11.467 and the service provided. No OUPV endorsement is valid for International voyages.

According 46 CFR 11.201 (d): No officer endorsement may be issued to any person who is not a citizen of the United States with the exception of operators of uninspected passenger vessels that are not documented under the laws of the United States.

To see step-by-step instructions on how to apply, please visit our Application Process page.

NOTE: You MUST apply for a credential at your local Regional Exam Center. It is important to include all supporting documentation and proper signatures. Missing information will cause applications to be delayed or rejected.

Limited OUPV
National Limited Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessel (OUPV) of Not More Than 100 GRT

These endorsements may be issued to those employed by organizations such as yacht clubs, marinas, formal camps, and educational institutions, limited to the specific activity and locality of the camp, yacht club, or marina.

• All applications must have prior Officer in Charge of Marine Inspections (OCMI) (Sector) approval.
• If the application is for restricted OUPV other than per 46 CFR 11.201, then MMC Policy Letter 1-16 applies.

To see step-by-step instructions on how to apply, please visit our Application Process page.

NOTE: You MUST apply for a credential at your local Regional Exam Center. It is important to include all supporting documentation and proper signatures. Missing information will cause applications to be delayed or rejected.

Eligibility Requirements for Limited OUPV (Launch Tender):

• USCG Application

• Age: 17 years old

• Sea Experience:
  Limited OUPV Inland (limits operation to uninspected launches-6 or less passengers)
  - 90 days* experience in the operation of vessels
  - 90 days of the 90 must be within the last 3 years
  * A "day of sea service" is equal to 4 to 8 hours away from the dock.

• Letter of Intent to Hire

 

Limited OUPV sounds like the course my son took. It may have been a dual OUPV/Limited OUPV course.

 

I am sure it was. That's a great start.

Who owns your marina now? I use to run that launch when it was Freddy Shields yard. I use to pick up when John was off. We didn't need licenses back then, should I say we didn't have one.

 

It’s co-owned by two guys, one of which also in involved in Old Mans in Mount Sinai. They also bought Port Jeff Marine Maintenance, who had been doing all the mechanical work in the yard already. I’ve met Kyle, the other guy. Seems like a good mechanic, quite responsive.

Still getting to see how things work out and what will change. The notice of transition from one owner the the next was pretty abrupt. I knew the change was coming (I had some discussions about buying the yard myself) but a lot of people were not happy about how it was handled.

How long has John been there? It must be at least 35 years.

 

When I took the course, I immediately followed it with the Master's course and I'm rated as a 100 Ton Master.

 

Old mans boat yard use to be Davis Island Boat yard when it was across the harbor. Edit - removed from public view.

Eric sold Port Jeff Marine?

John Shields? He is Freddy's son the original owner. So from the beginning. But John must be close to 70 now.

 

What were the differences now? It's been so long I'm afraid to ask that question.

 

If your getting your OUPV go for your Masters as soon as you can after. You won't forget the material and it's good to have. I just took my course and am in the process of the review from the CG. I took my OUPV, Masters and Towing. Just waiting to see what rating they will give me. Most likely a 25ton Near Coastal. I have the time. My plan is to do some charters in the future and move boats.

 

Right, but what were the differences between the two now - 6pack and masters course(s). Just curious because when I took them GPS wasn't out to the public. Must be vastly different now.

 

For me, it was an additional 2-day course and then sea time on an appropriate-sized vessel. (don't ask what we covered as I don't remember)

 

Our tender is inspected by the Coast guard and is documented. I don't remember the weight of it, but it is handling more than six people. (I'm thinking its rated for 20 - not sure right now). While the above is a cut and paste from the coast guard website, I don't see the limited masters listed. I can say we use Boat Wise for all of our tender operators. Below is their (Boat Wise) course descriptions and it shows the point I was making that the 6-pack is not useable for our specific tender. At least that is how I and our Shore Captain (100 ton master) understand it. The tender course is only good for 1/2 mile from shore. The applicants at our club are lucky as we pay for their training and all other items needed to be certified if they stay for two summers.

Anyway - Brad's son is on a cool path I wish I was on at that young age!

 

You never said more then 6 people, that's why you need a 25 ton or what ever matches your launch. That's all you had to say. The OUPV is only for 6 people max and why most launches have that person limit.

 

Sorry - in my post #21 I should have been more clear "Our tender holds more than 6 people".
I still like you thought

 

To clear things up.. Here are the differences OUPV and Masters

https://www.mmseas.com/post/should-i-get-an-oupv-or-a-master-s-license

What are the some of the differences?

Passengers

An OUPV license allows you to carry up to 6 paying passengers, on an uninspected vessel.

A Master's license does not have any restrictions on number of passengers onboard, and allows operation of inspected or uninspected vessels.

Tonnage

The maximum vessel tonnage under an OUPV license is 100 GRT. This GRT limit does not change.

A Master's license allows you to operate vessels up to the GRT limit listed on your license. With additional Sea Days this limit can be increased when you renew your license.

Distance off shore

An OUPV is limited to the waters described in the license; i.e. OUPV Inland can operate on Inland waters, similarly for OUPV Great Lakes on the Great Lakes. An OUPV NC can operate on waters out to 100 nautical miles offshore.

A Master's License on Inland or Great Lakes allows for operation of vessels within the prescribed waters (Inland, Great Lakes). A Near Coastal Master's license allows for operation offshore. There is no 100 nautical miles offshore restriction.