Camper Top

Discussion in 'Sport Cruisers' started by 09Dancer330, Mar 2, 2010.

  1. 09Dancer330

    09Dancer330 New Member

    11
    Feb 20, 2010
    Occoquan, Va.
    2009 Sundancer 330
    Mercruiser 496 Mag Seacore w/ Bravo III Drives and Axius
    Take delivery on my 09 330DA at the end of March. Considering ordering the camper top. Would appreciate any pros and cons. Looks like a lot more room when its up, but not sure I like what it does to the "look" of the Sundancer. Thanks!
     
  2. Havana Shamrock

    Havana Shamrock Active Member

    Sep 9, 2008
    Long Island.
    2005 500DB
    QSM11's,
    Honda 30HP
    hey congrats! i'm in the middle of having a camper back made and cant wait for the added room! my canvas comes down at an angle so you can not sit at the stern seat without slouching. I like the added visibility.nice option to have also the longer roof adds more shade if need be
     
  3. JV II

    JV II Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 17, 2007
    Newport, RI
    2016 50 Fly
    Volvo Penta D11
    Who makes it for the 330? I had one on the 290 and liked the way it looked. It provided as much room as the 330 has with the fast back.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. Tonka Boater

    Tonka Boater Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 11, 2008
    Wayzata, MN
    1997 232 BR
    502 MAG, Bravo I
    I'm probably in the minority here but I hate the camper top. It's a pain to put up/take down and store, the visibility of the stock eisenglass is horrible...the view is distorted and wavy, it gets hot and stuffy really fast and fogs up the windows. Just not a big fan of the camper. We prefer to run completely topless....canvas-wise, that is.
     
  5. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    I'm looking at $4k and having it added this spring....
     
  6. JV II

    JV II Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 17, 2007
    Newport, RI
    2016 50 Fly
    Volvo Penta D11
    They no doubt have advantages and disadvantages. Last year with all the rain we had, the camper top was great. It gave the indoor space needed for the group and allowed us to use the boat despite the rain. We never used the cockpit for sleeping, but if so, the camper top would have been nice. The 290 at 9'6" beam really needed to maximize the space with a camper top when the canvas was up. We did cruise with the top up in the cold, keeping the front and side vents open to avoid CO buildup and it stayed pretty comfortable inside and never had any CO buildup.

    Now the downside: all those zippers, all those snaps, all that eisin to clean and protect, nowhere to stow it, the time involved in putting it up and down, the decreased visibility, the heat buildup inside.


    The 330 has plenty of space with the fastback up, so a camper top would be superfluous. I just love the ease and speed of removing and putting up the rear panels. Even the front is a lot easier.
     
  7. Bridog

    Bridog Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Gulf Shores AL / Brick NJ
    Previous 220SD, 260DA, 300DA
    Mercury 150 4S OB
    Camper top is one of my favorite options on my 300DA. You'll love it. My front 3 pieces of isinglass is more of a PITA than the Camper is. Great to have on board when the storms catch up to you.
     
  8. Alex F

    Alex F Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 14, 2006
    East Coast
    2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Dual E120 MFD/Radar/XMWeather, ST7001 A/P, AIS, SeaLift
    T-Cummins 450Cs Straight-Drives, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
    After having the camper in our 240DA we didn't want to loose the option when we moved up to 320DA. We love it and I think it looks cool too.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. mwph

    mwph Active Member

    Jul 8, 2008
    Lake Guntersville, Tennessee River, Alabama
    1998 250 DA
    7.4L, B3
    We have a much smaller boat but I could not imagine not having the full camper enclosure. The added protection from the wind & cold & the added privacy are well worth it. For us at least, it far outweighs any install/storage issues.
     
  10. Dave S

    Dave S Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 3, 2006
    Upstate South Carolina
    Boatless
    Boatless
    If I owned a new 330DA, I would have a new rear bimini custom made so it extends back further than the factory bimini then have the camper canvas made to fit that.

    The sun in very intense here in the south and for me personally I would want the extra cocpit protection that a longer bimini provides. And, the Camper Top is a valuable addition in our climate since we can boat all year round. In the wintertime it can be 40 outside and 75 inside the cockpit just from solar heating.

    One other thing I have noticed with the newer factory camper tops that I dislike is the latest trend to use more Isenglass and less canvas. I am pretty sure this was a cost saving measure but not only doesn't it look good (it looks cheap in my opinion.......Bayliner has done this for years) it provides too much solar heating. If you have one custom made, you can have the glass area made whatever size you want.

    Dave
     
  11. thirtydaZe

    thirtydaZe New Member

    198
    Jan 23, 2010
    NE
    2008 230 Select
    350 Mag

    are you telling me a camper top is going to run $4000.00?!?!
     
  12. La Maddalena

    La Maddalena New Member

    266
    Dec 16, 2009
    Seattle
    2004 420 Sundancer w blue hull and hardtop
    twin Cummins 6CTA 8.3 M3 and ZH Hurth V drives
    Interesting perspective of southern vs. northern climates. When we had our new replacement canvas custom made, we specifically requested more Isenglass in the aft sections(replicating the new SR 350 look) rather than the small window with maximum canvas. This was because we boat year round with a lot of cool and rainy days, and can leave most of the canvas in place and maximize the airiness and visibility inside. When docked we can have all of the canvas up and still use the cockpit table and both bench seats.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2010
  13. Dave S

    Dave S Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 3, 2006
    Upstate South Carolina
    Boatless
    Boatless
    If people want more Isenglass then that's their choice. But having more canvas around a panel adds strength to it and it also gives a canvas guy some material to work with if they ever have to replace the Isenglass in case it gets damaged or discolored.

    There is a 2009 250 Sundancer moored next to my boat and I do not like his camper canvas at all. Not only does it not fit right, it has way too much Isenglass and not nearly enough canvas surrounding the rear panels. And wait until you see the camper canvas for the new 2010 310DA...........it is even worse in terms of having little canvas on the panels behind the arch based on pictures I have seen.

    And just to make my earlier point about how Bayliner does it, here is a typical camper package for a late model Bayliner.

    [​IMG]


    There is next to no canvas used around the eisenglass at all. I would urge anyone who is considering camper canvas with a new Dancer to get a good look at it before you buy it with your boat.

    Furthermore, Sea Ray has cut back on canvas with mooring covers as well. The new Sundancers typically do not have canvas that covers the windshield's glass face anymore either. They just snap to the top of the windshield allowing the sun to enter the cockpit. As a result of this I see folks putting towels and other things on tops of the dashboards and in other areas. And I believe in some cases Sea Ray even has an "option" of a dash pad cover. Nice isn't it they want you to pay extra for something like that when the mooring covers offered a few years ago made that unecessary.:smt021


    Dave
     
  14. Havana Shamrock

    Havana Shamrock Active Member

    Sep 9, 2008
    Long Island.
    2005 500DB
    QSM11's,
    Honda 30HP

    Im having it made to my specs by true blue canvas in lindenhurst he has done all my glass over and some repairs i like his work and he's affordable . i priced arounfd the camper top and i could pay as much as $1000 more than what hes charging me , i need the room we plan on sleeping on the boat a lot and the mosqits come out at night this will allow us to hang out up top instead of running down below , pm me if you would like his #
     
  15. Capt Bob F

    Capt Bob F New Member

    210
    Oct 14, 2009
    Columbus, Ohio
    2005 Sundancer 340, Raymarine Chartplotter, Auto Pilot, Bow Thruster, Sat TV
    2008 Whaler 13'
    8.1 Horizon MerCruiser V-drives
    I know to each his own, but I like the the appearance of this top on the smaller Bayliner
     
  16. La Maddalena

    La Maddalena New Member

    266
    Dec 16, 2009
    Seattle
    2004 420 Sundancer w blue hull and hardtop
    twin Cummins 6CTA 8.3 M3 and ZH Hurth V drives
    That Bayliner is a pretty ugly boat to begin with - the proportions are awful. I don't think the camper enclosure discussion of clear windows vs. solid canvas makes a difference with this boat. I will say I did not consider the issue Dave is raising of more solid canvas area providing more strength and long term durability. Not sure whether that is true or not, but what we reacted to during our boat shopping experience was sitting in the cockpit of a boat with the solid canvas and small aft window vs. the openness of the design we chose. Because we will be using the boat a lot in inclement weather the solid canvas felt like sitting in a cave. To each his own.
     
  17. Danny Troy

    Danny Troy Member

    792
    Oct 8, 2009
    Candlewood Lake, CT
    2003 280 Sundancer
    496MAG w/genset
    I sold my pontoon boat last fall, and loved the rear camper enclosure it had. Once I bought the new (old) 220DA, I had to add it. It cost about 2k, having a local canvas guy do it. At a local facility, where my boat is, it would have been closer to 3k.....so shop around. Of course my boat looks like a rowboat compared to the boats shown in this thread, but it really enhances the usability in this region. We have extremes, where you're freezing your butt off, and keeping most of the camper up really warms things up. Then, in the summer, when it gets as hot up here as down south, I really hate the sun beating down on me. The top section will stay up all summer, and that will really provide good shade. I'm adding a swim platform for the wife to get her sun on!
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2010
  18. Liquid Pleasure II

    Liquid Pleasure II New Member

    83
    Oct 19, 2009
    Lenexa, KS
    340 Dancer 2003
    260 Dancer 2001
    Twin 496-mags, v-drive
    I have thought long and hard about pulling the trigger on the camper canvas. But a $5200 for a 340 Dancer it seems like diminishing returns given the Midwest climate.

    I also have a hard time getting past the additional installation of the stainless anchors for the metal supports for the canvas. I love clean, undisturbed lines and surfaces....I know a little OCD!!

    Given the beam and cockpit space of the 340 with the fastback canvas up I think I will pass and enjoy the banter on CSR!!
     
  19. rcknecht

    rcknecht Active Member

    Mar 23, 2009
    toms river,nj
    340 Sundancer 2001
    T 454 MPI
    [​IMG]I wanted one... But they are expensive... If I would buy one today, for my 340, I would probably buy the the taylor made fast back, because is does not require any hardware... But the fastback for the 340 is around $3,900, so it may be a while...

    http://www.taylormarine.com/fastback/index.html
     
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2010
  20. 09Dancer330

    09Dancer330 New Member

    11
    Feb 20, 2010
    Occoquan, Va.
    2009 Sundancer 330
    Mercruiser 496 Mag Seacore w/ Bravo III Drives and Axius
    thanks for all of the opinions and information!
     

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