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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by boltman, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. mistercomputerman

    mistercomputerman Active Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Virginia Beach, VA
    410 Sundancer - 2001
    Twin 8.1L Mercruisers - 2009
    I can't find the di!!head forum. Can comeone post the link?
     
  2. Four Suns

    Four Suns Head Pot Stirrer TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    2003 480 DB
    Zodiac ProJet Dinghy
    Yamaha 110vx WaveRunner
    QSM-11 Diesels
    This is too good... It really is Biff...
     
  3. MonacoMike

    MonacoMike Well-Known Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Indiana lakes and Lake Michigan
    2000 Cruisers 3870
    97 270 Sundancer
    85 Sea Ray Monaco 197
    8.2 Mercs,
    7.4 BII
    260hp Alpha 1
    I think Doc may have cloned Biff... He seems to be all over...
     
  4. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    We have. Celebrity in our little forum? Biff was a great character, he was such a prick and pulled it off in the movie. Welcome to our little forum Biff! I am very happy to see that I didn't attend the same school as Biff because I would really fear him....... No really!
     
  5. Turtlesboat

    Turtlesboat Minister of Media TECHNICAL Contributor

    Feb 4, 2007
    New York City
    1996 450DA, TNT, Caribe dink w/15hp OB.
    3126 427HP TD transmissions
    Again, not that there's anything wrong with it. If the companies like it and it saves them money and does the job, that's great. I do the same thing with my clients, I have a great little piece of software that does everything they need, it's secure, convenient, and FREE. Of course they can only use it on projects i've worked on because I locked it, but that's another discussion or maybe it's the same discussion, I don't know. I'm only one dude in a sea of dudes. I've been freelance since 7 years old so I have no idea what a union is. all I know is that when something isn't working, i know about immediately and I suffer the consequences the same day and it lasts for years.
     
  6. Pack66Dad

    Pack66Dad New Member

    Aug 26, 2010
    Browns Point, Washington
    1997 41 Convertible
    Caterpillar 3126 Diesels
    I guess I don't follow your logic...... The companies are free to use any software they choose and are free to leave the union software program at any time if they choose. Its an option and it has helped many smaller businesses get bigger work that they were unable to get before because of the onerous software prices. The union also provides a trained staff of employees that can run the software..... most of my non-union clients struggle with this one issue, finding trained qualified people. As for union controlled software being required to bid government jobs? Well it sounds like the tin foil hats are on again..... that is simply paranoid and ridiculous speculation.
     
  7. floriduramax1

    floriduramax1 Active Member

    Sep 19, 2010
    Florida
    280DA, Magic Tilt triple axle, 2006 GMC 2500 D/A
    T4.3/ Alpha
    I have been watching this thread and was not going to comment but after reading this I just can't let it pass! Anytime someone mentions unions and the goobment at the same time I can't help but cringe as "tin foil hats" are not near enough to protect us! Look at the violence the SEIU is always involved in since BHO's election! Coincidence??? I mean come on, it's very obvious to "non-union" folks. It almost reminds me of muslims that say they are a "peaceful and loving" religion....hypocrisy!!!
     
  8. susanandlance

    susanandlance New Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    Florida
    2005 Fountain 27, 496HO power, towed by Chevrolet Duramax HD 4x4
    496HO, 425 HP
    Get off your High Horse about Unions Donnie, they were here long before you and I, and will be long after we're gone. Just sayin'.......
     
  9. floriduramax1

    floriduramax1 Active Member

    Sep 19, 2010
    Florida
    280DA, Magic Tilt triple axle, 2006 GMC 2500 D/A
    T4.3/ Alpha
    You know I ignore your posts and do not reply. If you do not like mine, let me suggest you do the same! I am "entitled" my opinion as you are yours...just sayin...



    So you do not see a problem with the SEIU goons being bussed to different "demonstrations" solely to stir up crap?

    BTW...they (unions) may not be here as long as you think if we stay on this same destructive path. You would have a different opinion if you were on the other side of the fence...and by reading all the posts you have been making lately I wonder who needs to get off their "high horse"!
     
  10. WazzuCMGrad

    WazzuCMGrad New Member

    225
    Oct 30, 2011
    Seattle, WA
    '08 205 Sport
    Merc 5.0L TKS 220HP; Alpha One
    Unions were founded on two principles at their start:
    1) Take wages out of competition, and
    2) Improve working conditions (safety, hours)

    Last I checked, our great, great grandfathers' companies don't exist anymore in terms of working conditions (they've been regulated by that wonderful government of ours). Also, if anything, unions have done more to push wages beyond what is competitive in a now global economy.

    Just a couple of points to think about. I'm glad that unions exist (think they can keep management in check on many items), but also believe that they suffer from "what's in it for me"-itis from time to time, and start putting the "goose and golden egg" situation into play.

    Be happy we live in a country where these topics can be debated and argued.
     
  11. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1995 550 Sedan Bridge,
    2010 Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport,
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport,
    CAT 3406C's, 580hp.
    Yeah, kinda like VD, illegal aliens, drug dealers and many other things our society is "blessed" with. Just sayin'.....
     
  12. susanandlance

    susanandlance New Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    Florida
    2005 Fountain 27, 496HO power, towed by Chevrolet Duramax HD 4x4
    496HO, 425 HP
    Go teamsters!!!!!!!!
     
  13. Ka1oxd

    Ka1oxd New Member

    Nov 19, 2009
    Connecticut River at Portland Riverside Marina
    1988 Sea Ray 340 Sundancer
    7.4l inboards
    when 50% of the population makes less than $23.00 an hour and CEO make 475 times each dollar or more of each dollar paid to the employees, more unions.

    Just kidding. I think that everyone forgets that there has to be a balance in a company when it comes to pay. Over the last 20 years, that balance has been lost. Senior management has had their wages increased by 24% while the average worker, lost wages. When you look at macroeconomics, if workers keep loosing, they stop buying merchandise, services and everything else a company sells. Once that happens, we take a hit on the economy.
     
  14. susanandlance

    susanandlance New Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    Florida
    2005 Fountain 27, 496HO power, towed by Chevrolet Duramax HD 4x4
    496HO, 425 HP
    :thumbsup:
     
  15. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1995 550 Sedan Bridge,
    2010 Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport,
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport,
    CAT 3406C's, 580hp.
    It's interesting that many of the people who posted on here are saying the high wages that resulted from union protections are justified are the same ones griping about the loss of tens of thousands of jobs to foreign countries when companies moved there to get cheaper labor costs.

    I honestly believe that the US labor force has priced itself out of the world wide job market. Back in the days when the country was primarily an agricultural producer the only competition for jobs was in your local area. As we entered the era where we increased our industrial production (and transportation) the job competition was statewide or in your region of the country.

    Now we're having to compete against countries around the world where a GOOD wage is $100 a month or less. I buy American when I can, but I sure can't condemn an American company when they move their production factories overseas to take advantage of cheap labor. I don't like to see it happen but I can understand why they do it.
     
  16. MonacoMike

    MonacoMike Well-Known Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Indiana lakes and Lake Michigan
    2000 Cruisers 3870
    97 270 Sundancer
    85 Sea Ray Monaco 197
    8.2 Mercs,
    7.4 BII
    260hp Alpha 1
    The roll of management is to efficently produce. If they increase production they will get some of that value, if they add automation and increase production for they company and don't have to deal with deadbeats they will get value in return. They also can ship production offshore and gain that way as well. Much of the productivity gains this country has seen in the last few years are due to management (automation, software, etc.) not workers doing more parts through physical labor.

    This is why many do not trust unions and NLRB:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203413304577088374112815392.html

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203833104577070572768248242.html
     
  17. IanBat

    IanBat New Member

    Nov 19, 2011
    Sydney, Australia
    Pro Tournament 36' 1999
    Twin Cummins 5.9L 370hp B Series
    From Australia, we are in the same boat, probably worse than you, in that our population cripples profit margins.

    I own my own business, I would presume not unlike a lot of you. I have also worked in large business and have sat across the table from some of our present politicians in power when they were union leaders.

    Need to say though that was when I worked as a senior manager in a large company

    Agree with the senior execs part to a point. My point being here is they stuff a company and get paid millions to walk

    But what stuffs an economy? America or Australia, both countries need the high wage to enjoy our lifestyles. But we want to pay nothing for our purchases. We want free trade but can't afford it.

    And I manufacture and import out of China. So I understand the low margin economy
     
  18. WazzuCMGrad

    WazzuCMGrad New Member

    225
    Oct 30, 2011
    Seattle, WA
    '08 205 Sport
    Merc 5.0L TKS 220HP; Alpha One
    Golf clap for you, sir. This is 100% true. We either have to make the rest of the world earn wages comparable to ours, or we'll be forced to adjust downward to meet them on their way up. Such is the situation of a global economy.

    We have become a nation of consumers, not producers (this is a general statement, not targeted at any particular portion of our society). Just look at what types of jobs we have now, and why we aren't opening factories at the rate of China and others on the Pacific Rim.

    We certainly can't be everything to everybody.
     
  19. comsnark

    comsnark New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    NJ Shore
    SeaRay SunSport
    5.7LX
    Right, and the problem here isn't just *unions*. Non-union workers also won't work for $100 per month. Where can you find a place to live for that amount of money and still have money to buy 3 or 4 loafs of bread?

    So, if you are not by nature a professional (engineer, doctor, etc.) or a businesman (not everyone can do it). . .you are only left with the minimum wage service industry. Certainly, everybody who can take advantage of $100 month workers, will.
     
  20. MonacoMike

    MonacoMike Well-Known Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    Indiana lakes and Lake Michigan
    2000 Cruisers 3870
    97 270 Sundancer
    85 Sea Ray Monaco 197
    8.2 Mercs,
    7.4 BII
    260hp Alpha 1
    Tax data show show that the majority of todays low wage earners will be in another tax bracket in a few years. The same applies for the "rich" or "millionaries". in that most of them will not be in that bracket in a few years as well. We are a generally upwardly mobile society in the US and do not hold people back in their earnings, again census and tax data bear this out.

    There are few if any jobs that would have a market value of $100 a month in this country, even without a minimum wage. MM
     

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