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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by boltman, Dec 5, 2011.
I can't find the di!!head forum. Can comeone post the link?
This is too good... It really is Biff...
I think Doc may have cloned Biff... He seems to be all over...
We have. Celebrity in our little forum? Biff was a great character, he was such a prick and pulled it off in the movie. Welcome to our little forum Biff! I am very happy to see that I didn't attend the same school as Biff because I would really fear him....... No really!
Again, not that there's anything wrong with it. If the companies like it and it saves them money and does the job, that's great. I do the same thing with my clients, I have a great little piece of software that does everything they need, it's secure, convenient, and FREE. Of course they can only use it on projects i've worked on because I locked it, but that's another discussion or maybe it's the same discussion, I don't know. I'm only one dude in a sea of dudes. I've been freelance since 7 years old so I have no idea what a union is. all I know is that when something isn't working, i know about immediately and I suffer the consequences the same day and it lasts for years.
I guess I don't follow your logic...... The companies are free to use any software they choose and are free to leave the union software program at any time if they choose. Its an option and it has helped many smaller businesses get bigger work that they were unable to get before because of the onerous software prices. The union also provides a trained staff of employees that can run the software..... most of my non-union clients struggle with this one issue, finding trained qualified people. As for union controlled software being required to bid government jobs? Well it sounds like the tin foil hats are on again..... that is simply paranoid and ridiculous speculation.
I have been watching this thread and was not going to comment but after reading this I just can't let it pass! Anytime someone mentions unions and the goobment at the same time I can't help but cringe as "tin foil hats" are not near enough to protect us! Look at the violence the SEIU is always involved in since BHO's election! Coincidence??? I mean come on, it's very obvious to "non-union" folks. It almost reminds me of muslims that say they are a "peaceful and loving" religion....hypocrisy!!!
Get off your High Horse about Unions Donnie, they were here long before you and I, and will be long after we're gone. Just sayin'.......
You know I ignore your posts and do not reply. If you do not like mine, let me suggest you do the same! I am "entitled" my opinion as you are yours...just sayin...
So you do not see a problem with the SEIU goons being bussed to different "demonstrations" solely to stir up crap?
BTW...they (unions) may not be here as long as you think if we stay on this same destructive path. You would have a different opinion if you were on the other side of the fence...and by reading all the posts you have been making lately I wonder who needs to get off their "high horse"!
Unions were founded on two principles at their start:
1) Take wages out of competition, and
2) Improve working conditions (safety, hours)
Last I checked, our great, great grandfathers' companies don't exist anymore in terms of working conditions (they've been regulated by that wonderful government of ours). Also, if anything, unions have done more to push wages beyond what is competitive in a now global economy.
Just a couple of points to think about. I'm glad that unions exist (think they can keep management in check on many items), but also believe that they suffer from "what's in it for me"-itis from time to time, and start putting the "goose and golden egg" situation into play.
Be happy we live in a country where these topics can be debated and argued.
Yeah, kinda like VD, illegal aliens, drug dealers and many other things our society is "blessed" with. Just sayin'.....
when 50% of the population makes less than $23.00 an hour and CEO make 475 times each dollar or more of each dollar paid to the employees, more unions.
Just kidding. I think that everyone forgets that there has to be a balance in a company when it comes to pay. Over the last 20 years, that balance has been lost. Senior management has had their wages increased by 24% while the average worker, lost wages. When you look at macroeconomics, if workers keep loosing, they stop buying merchandise, services and everything else a company sells. Once that happens, we take a hit on the economy.
It's interesting that many of the people who posted on here are saying the high wages that resulted from union protections are justified are the same ones griping about the loss of tens of thousands of jobs to foreign countries when companies moved there to get cheaper labor costs.
I honestly believe that the US labor force has priced itself out of the world wide job market. Back in the days when the country was primarily an agricultural producer the only competition for jobs was in your local area. As we entered the era where we increased our industrial production (and transportation) the job competition was statewide or in your region of the country.
Now we're having to compete against countries around the world where a GOOD wage is $100 a month or less. I buy American when I can, but I sure can't condemn an American company when they move their production factories overseas to take advantage of cheap labor. I don't like to see it happen but I can understand why they do it.
The roll of management is to efficently produce. If they increase production they will get some of that value, if they add automation and increase production for they company and don't have to deal with deadbeats they will get value in return. They also can ship production offshore and gain that way as well. Much of the productivity gains this country has seen in the last few years are due to management (automation, software, etc.) not workers doing more parts through physical labor.
This is why many do not trust unions and NLRB:
From Australia, we are in the same boat, probably worse than you, in that our population cripples profit margins.
I own my own business, I would presume not unlike a lot of you. I have also worked in large business and have sat across the table from some of our present politicians in power when they were union leaders.
Need to say though that was when I worked as a senior manager in a large company
Agree with the senior execs part to a point. My point being here is they stuff a company and get paid millions to walk
But what stuffs an economy? America or Australia, both countries need the high wage to enjoy our lifestyles. But we want to pay nothing for our purchases. We want free trade but can't afford it.
And I manufacture and import out of China. So I understand the low margin economy
Golf clap for you, sir. This is 100% true. We either have to make the rest of the world earn wages comparable to ours, or we'll be forced to adjust downward to meet them on their way up. Such is the situation of a global economy.
We have become a nation of consumers, not producers (this is a general statement, not targeted at any particular portion of our society). Just look at what types of jobs we have now, and why we aren't opening factories at the rate of China and others on the Pacific Rim.
We certainly can't be everything to everybody.
Right, and the problem here isn't just *unions*. Non-union workers also won't work for $100 per month. Where can you find a place to live for that amount of money and still have money to buy 3 or 4 loafs of bread?
So, if you are not by nature a professional (engineer, doctor, etc.) or a businesman (not everyone can do it). . .you are only left with the minimum wage service industry. Certainly, everybody who can take advantage of $100 month workers, will.
Tax data show show that the majority of todays low wage earners will be in another tax bracket in a few years. The same applies for the "rich" or "millionaries". in that most of them will not be in that bracket in a few years as well. We are a generally upwardly mobile society in the US and do not hold people back in their earnings, again census and tax data bear this out.
There are few if any jobs that would have a market value of $100 a month in this country, even without a minimum wage. MM