Brunswick selling off Sea Ray brand

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by KnotEasy, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. Cruising

    Cruising New Member

    Mar 11, 2017
    That is not at all what I was referring to, you completely missed the point. And your comment regarding needing someone to "clean toilets and dig ditches" absolutely reeks of snobbishness. I know your kind, you are never wrong and your post doesn't even deserve a response.

    AKBASSKING Active Member

    Apr 13, 2008
    SE Alaska Summer/Columbia River winter
    1988 Yacht Fisher
    Twin 375hp Cat 3208 T/A
    WOW, let get back to the sell off of SR......
  3. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    I totally disagree. Although a one-off of the original topic, the lack of boating affordability of the masses and why, is pertinent. Although not a big fan of the F-bombs, he brings solid facts that I find a lot more refreshing than just "I had a financially successful life so you should too". Of course, I have been an engineer/scientist my entire life so I am a facts guy.
  4. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2012
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    You have NOT presented ANY data. You have presented some infographics which present messaging that support a predetermined position.

    Give me data. I can call one of my marketing folks and they can take the data and present compelling graphics which support either side of the issue.
  5. cwiert

    cwiert Active Member

    May 7, 2008
    Chester, CT
    1998 400 Sedan Bridge
    CAT 3116 - 350HP
    I hope you're not using that oil for those CATS. Someone on here told me straight grade only. ;)
  6. Steve S

    Steve S Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2007
    Northern IL.
    2000 400 Sedan Bridge with twin CAT 3116's

    2000 340 Sundancer - SOLD!
    210 Monaco 1987 - SOLD!
    Twin Caterpillar 3116's 350 HP straight drives
  7. seanmclean

    seanmclean Member

    Jun 13, 2017
    '03 182
    Well, isn't that special? It's not snobbishness at all, in fact I worked cleaning toilets while I was in college. Not much of a ditch digging fan, but I do it in my yard occasionally. Not everyone gets a high paying job, recognizing this is not unfair, and this doesn't need fixing, either.
  8. PlayDate

    PlayDate Well-Known Member

    Dec 25, 2006
    Washington DC
    1994 370 Express Cruiser
    454 Mercruisers
    The Troll is multiplying....looks like Cruising and ADDvanced are one in the same. I'm seeing the same trash posts show up on other I'm speculating that there is a Troll farm trying to "create awareness". All the same story....demanding that we read and respond to their posts and criticize if you don't. Hopefully it is a "high paying" job!

    I doubt it is the Russians because they like boating.;)
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  9. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    Nope. I have a backhoe, a Bobcat and 2 Kubotas that are all due for service. Due to the high zinc content I also use 15w40 in my lawnmowers.
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  10. KevinC

    KevinC Well-Known Member

    Feb 25, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    2004 340 Sundancer
    Twin 8.1 V-drives
    Hmmm... are we getting "Fake News" being force fed to us.
  11. boatman37

    boatman37 Well-Known Member

    Jun 6, 2015
    2006 Crownline 250CR. 5.7 Merc BIII
    Previous: 1986 Sea Ray 250 Sundancer. 260 Merc Alpha 1 Gen 1
    5.7 Merc BIII
    Well after I graduated from college I got a decent paying job. I could pay my bills and go out to eat once in awhile (graduated in 2010). I decided I wanted nicer things so I worked harder and EARNED them. Now I want a bigger, newer boat so I am now working even a little harder again. Something many millennials miss. BTW-I am 48 but went to college later due to a workplace injury that forced a career change. The solution isn't to complain about those that have worked hard to get to where they are, the solution is to work harder than they did.

    If you get an A in class but the kid next to you gets a C would it be fair for the teacher to give you both B's to average it out? Didn't think so!
  12. Boater420

    Boater420 Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2015
    Clearwater, FL
    '97 330 Sundancer
    Westerbeke 4.5BCG
    Twin Merc 454's
    Cruising joined Mar 11, 2017 so it must have been planned in ADDvance :)
  13. carterchapman

    carterchapman Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 25, 2008
    Lake Chickamauga/Marietta, GA/Ft. Myers, FL
    2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
    MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
    John - that was my thought exactly!!!
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  14. JamesT

    JamesT Member

    Oct 7, 2013
    Longport, NJ
    2011 470 Sundancer
    Cummins 480s w/ Zeus PODs
    I just hacked AADvanced's account. It's actually Bernie Sanders.
  15. Ididntdoit

    Ididntdoit Well-Known Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    New England & South Florida
    Maybe your a good guy......Maybe you fuck farm animals.......I don't really care - either start talking about boats or get off this forum.......don't we have moderators to get rid of this trash?
  16. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2012
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    Frank you going to pick a warm day and just have "Oil Change Day" like we did growing up? or space them out to make the fun last...

    Oh, and regarding the direction this thread has taken - I agree - we have a Troll here trying to build up hits for various Infographic's to feed the search engines....

  17. Z-Worthy

    Z-Worthy Active Member

    Jun 20, 2014
    Sandusky, OH
    1997 400 DA
    300hp CAT 3116s
    Back to boats... I think a LOT of it has to do with depreciation. The cost difference between a new boat and a slightly used boat is HUGE!! There just isn't enough financial incentive to willingly eat the initial depreciation on a new boat anymore, which means the manufacturers suffer. Millennial, Boomer, Gen-X, whatever; we're all smart enough to realize that losing $100k in one year, on a toy no less, is not a smart decision. This economy has forced people to be a bit smarter about their finances, and part of that societal "smartening," if you will, is less people buying brand new depreciating assets. More people are buying used cars, and keeping their cars longer. More people want used boats. Home building is down because people are willing to buy older homes and remodel (significantly cheaper per sq ft).
    I think it's great that people aren't as willing to throw away their hard earned money. But it's really going to suck in 10yrs when I'm looking for a 10yr old boat.
  18. northern

    northern Well-Known Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    West coast Vancouver to Alaska
    380 Aft Cabin 1989 GPS and Charts by Nobeltec
    Twin 454 strait shaft
    The boat we have cost 200K in 1989. In 1989 I made 60K a year. The same job today pays 100K. My house in 1989 was worth 250K today it is worth 800K. 24 beer in 1989 cost $10 today it is $45 (In Canada). Boat are up but not as much a beer and we still buy beer. Who ever buys SeRay will further automate to reduce prices and perhaps they will sell more boats. Manufacturing may move to Mexico or China to reduce costs.
  19. KevinC

    KevinC Well-Known Member

    Feb 25, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    2004 340 Sundancer
    Twin 8.1 V-drives
    I think I see whats wrong here and propose a solution:

    The Declaration of Independence gives us our "unalienable rights": "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

    Since we are all happiest when we are boating (certainly not working for some overpaid CEO) it is our right to own a boat. To this extent I urge the Congress and the Senate to immediately drop work on Tax Reform and pass the ABA - American Boating Act.

    Congress should immediately propose funding for the BDA (Boating Development Agency) to establish the production of High Quality boats that can be sold at below market rates and while loosing money on every boat produced and sold the loss of revenue will be offset by increased revenue from additional fuel sales and tax revenues from those new hires producing the boats. Also by selling at a lose it will certainly drive down the market cost of boats since all other manufacturers will now have real competition.

    Additionally the Department of the Interior should immediately enact eminent domain to secure enough shoreline to provide free and discounted dockage of all these boats. Additionally this will enhance all American lifestyle by providing beautiful scenic shores with free access by all. Those displaced will have no worries since they too will have affordable dockage.

    The only possible way to ensure the success of this project and to secure everyone's "unalienable right" to happiness we also must enact legislation to insist that everyone purchases a boat based on minimum standards that we will disclose later (note: unsafe project boats that do not run will be outlawed for your own well being). For those who already own boats there is no need to worry; you will be able to keep your own boat, your own dock space and mechanic. Only with everyone buying boats will this succeed. For those not perusing the happiness of boating there will be a penalty that will need to be assessed. This is to entice those not particularly interested in boating to acquire one for their own good. This will also ensure that greater good will not be hurt by their lack of participation. This penalty will be collected into the general fund and will bed used to offset counseling for their own good.

    The legislation to be enacted will be quite complex because of the nature of all the services and infrastructure required. However you should not be worried about the thousands of pages of legislative rules to be enacted to succeed since they will all benefit your boating needs. All you need to be concerned with it that you will be able to purchase your boats quite simply online via which will be available 1/1/18 for pre-orders. The first big raft-up of the season will be on 4/15/18 and all boaters will be expected to arrive by that date.

    Ok - Sounds Good! Any Nays - Are we all in agreement now! I am certain no-one could see a problem with these facts!
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  20. Chris R

    Chris R Member

    Mar 17, 2008
    Bloomington, Il - formerly in Gig Harbor, WA
    In between boats, now. Former boat: 2008 340 DA
    8.1 Horizons w/V-drives
    Ok... now back to the topic at hand.

    First of all, my wife and I have been to FLIBS 4 years in a row and the Seattle Boat show for the past 3 years in a row. Why? We are looking at retirement at some point in the next couple of years and want to be sure we are seeing anything and everything out there for when we get back to boating. Here's the problem (looking through the new boat lens): depreciation.

    Yes, I know... nothing to see here, move along. Boat depreciation is not a new concept to this lifestyle we all love; however, it does seem to have magnified over the past few years, IMO - especially with boat styles and brands like Sea Ray. Walking the Sea Ray docks we're always intoxicated by the "new" models, the new features, modern decor, the "boat show price", etc...yet, when we fly home, it's like, "what are we thinking??"

    Yet, certain types of boats (and brands) seem to weather the depreciation hit a bit more (think Nordhavn) and seemingly offer the idea of buying new and selling in a few years without as much depreciation pain. For example, I was perusing Yachtworld yesterday and saw over fifty 2016-2017 (!) 400 Sundancers for sale. Most of the used ones are in the low to mid 500's. Who in their right mind wants to buy an 800K++ boat and it be worth 500K the following year. Not us!

    I don't want to fall into the economic discussion/trap that has overtaken this thread... but I know this, my wife and I have both worked at the same company for more than 32 years (some may call this an "evil" corporation), we have put two kids through college (aka, no college debt for them), we live in a nice home and travel extensively. None of this was handed to us - we worked our asses off to get where we are. We consider ourselves comfortably well-off (not wealthy) as compared to some. Again, see previous comment about working our asses off. Where we were once dead-set on buying a new Sea Ray in a couple of years, we are now rethinking what our boating goals will be going forward. Anecdotally, I think there are many, many others like us out there (not buying right now), waiting to see if this industry will take a turn in a different direction.
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