Autopilot next on the list

Discussion in 'Electronics Q&A' started by dvx216, Jan 30, 2023.

  1. Korkie

    Korkie Active Member

    Feb 2, 2016
    Leonardtown, MD Potomac River / Chesapeake Bay
    2006 340 Sundancer, Garmin7610, xHD 24" Radar, VV703, SeaStar Hydraulic Steer, Shadow Drive AP
    Mercruiser 496 Mags
    Bravo III Drives
    +1 on the Garmin AP with Shadow Drive and Remote. Installed 2 seasons ago and it is Awesome!
     
  2. Captsteve427

    Captsteve427 Well-Known Member

    346
    Sep 8, 2019
    Long Island, NY
    2007 44 Sundancer
    Cummins
    QSC 8.3L 500
    I don't intend on hi-jacking this thread, but that kit is what I purchased at the NY boat show last week. I'll be reusing the RM pump and replacing the RM rudder feedback sensor with a Garmin unit.

    I might as well mention it here too..... I posted on the 420DA/44DA official thread earlier today looking to find out if anyone has covered the dash hole(s) left by an RM 8002 AP head unit with the above Garmin GHC50 head unit?
    I'm hoping it will cover the 3.5" hole and two mounting screw holes beside it, so that I could cover the other two mounting holes with a FLIR JCU3 joystick controller. This will eliminate the need to have a panel fabricated.
     
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  3. dvx216

    dvx216 Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Feb 1, 2012
    Catawaba Island/Orrville,Oh.
    340 Sundancer 2001
    8.1s 370 v drv.
    I have the info and model number for the cylinder and being that it's a teleflex sea star I would think that of Garmin's pump they offer should do the job.
     
  4. DrPringle

    DrPringle Member

    128
    Jul 31, 2020
    2007 340 sea ray sundancer
    8.1l
    Can you do garmin ap with Simrad everything else ?
     
  5. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    The thing about the newer autopilots that are full N2k they can be controlled by pretty much any MFD. But if you don't stick with the same brand you miss out on the brand MFD integration.
     
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  6. DrPringle

    DrPringle Member

    128
    Jul 31, 2020
    2007 340 sea ray sundancer
    8.1l
    Hmm I like the thought of shadow drive
    Simrad doesn’t have anything like that correct ?
     
  7. Irie308

    Irie308 Well-Known Member

    May 28, 2013
    CT
    2004 420 DB, GHS Hydraulic Lift
    Garmin 8600/Garmin 1222 plus
    AB Mares 10 VSX with 30 hp Tohatsu
    Cummins 450C 8.3 L Turbocharged
    As @SKybolt mentioned if you mix brands you will miss out on the cool integrated features. @dvx216 since you have a Garmin mfd would highly recommend going with the Garmin AP. The shadow drive is a Garmin patent and it’s a game changer. I recent converted my old raymarine to their retro kit as the AP was the last renaming raymarine component. Very easy install and I reused my old pump. Calibrating is a breeze as well.
     
  8. jmauld

    jmauld Well-Known Member

    Jun 9, 2020
    Carolina Beach
    2010 Sundancer 390
    2016 Sea Hunt Ultra 211
    Twin 8.1l of gas guzzling iron
    Maybe garmin will license the tech to others.
     
  9. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    Most of the 3rd party integration is done through HTML5 apps. The Autopilot integration is part of the MFD itself. So not likely.

    Edit: The one thing that has stopped me from upgrading to the Reactor 40 is the pilot head. Garmin doesn't have a rotary knob. The thing I use most, even on short trips. I never use the wheel until I hit the break water buoys.
     
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  10. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    I'm wondering if the Shadow drive valve could not be added to any AP install?

    Even if it just drops the head unit into standby mode, that would be a befefit, but could also be a pain depending on how sensitive it is...ie if I bump the wheel, would it drop out.
     
  11. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    There has to be a supported "disengage" port on the drive board in order for that to work. If the Shadow drive is just an on/off solenoid then it could work as it's just acting as a switch, but if it is a digital signal then not a chance. I know on my RM AP there is a disengage, but you have to confirm it to get it to work. Does your EVO. AP unit have a disengage and do you have to confirm it? It might work then. Want to be the guinea pig @ $400 ?
     
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  12. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    Possibly. I think its a huge safety improvement.
     
  13. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    Totally agree. Try connecting a switch first and see if you have to intervein or not. I tried it on my SPx CC (version prior to Evolution) and it wanted me to confirm. So I did, then it didn't automatically return to the course. At the end of the day, I didn't see the difference between that switch and putting it in standby. So it wasn't worth pursuing any further for me and sold me on wanting the G-AP except for the fore mentioned knob ...
     
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  14. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    The Raymarine systems with a ACU 200 or better have a sleep function. Unfortunately, I have a ACU-150, and this does not have such a feature.

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  15. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    Looks like a pretty cheap upgrade if willing to ebay some used parts...
     
  16. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    Right, mine does as well. The sleep function just takes it out of auto and then you must put it back into auto. I don't really see the purpose of that function because it's the same as putting it into standby.

    Garmin put some time into this one and really thought it out.
     
  17. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    If I install the valve and wire it it to the sleep input, I have a cheap Raymarine Shadow drive?
     
  18. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    As mentioned, no, putting it to sleep will only take it out of auto and then be in standby when out of sleep.

    I am not really sure why they have this, other then to be able to use an external switch instead of the pilot head.
     
  19. Lenny3

    Lenny3 Active Member

    122
    Mar 19, 2021
    Selinsgrove Pa.
    2007 Sea Ray 310 Sundancer
    2006 Sea Ray 220 Sundeck (Previous)
    Twin 5.7 350 MPI
    5.0 Mercruiser Bravo III
    Just finished my autopilot install on my 310
    I went with a Garmin retrofit kit with GHC 20 controller, Garmin rudder feedback 10 and an Octopus 2.0 pump. Purchased from BOE marine. (Emily is great) Shadow drives can be purchased aftermarket ($89 bucks) just do a web search. Hydraulic lines were purchased from a local hydraulic store.

    Installed the pump to the right of the helm behind cup/map compartment. Easy to get to and only needed 3-38” lines.
    You will have to figure out what fittings you will need for your helm ORB or NPT

    Bleeding the system was pretty straight forward. Component location is important as some wires are only so long. I installed my heading module under the helm close to the center of the boat.(No issues)Hardest part for me was the rudder feedback sensor. Hard to get way back there ! PM me if ya want more info
    Lenny
     
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  20. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    Uhm, more like $332 is the lowest I have seen, just for the solenoid.
     

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