another boat explosion

Discussion in 'The Tiki Bar' started by Bt Doctur, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. Bt Doctur

    Bt Doctur Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    New Jersey
    Ex SRV 240 Weekender twin
    in between
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  2. WV 320 Dancer

    WV 320 Dancer Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    532
    Oct 28, 2018
    2003 Sea Ray Sundancer 320
    Twin 350 MAG - V Drive
    Holy crap!!!!
     
  3. MonacoMike

    MonacoMike Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Sep 15, 2009
    Indiana lakes and Lake Michigan
    2000 Cruisers 3870
    97 270 Sundancer
    85 Sea Ray Monaco 197
    8.2 Mercs,
    7.4 BII
    260hp Alpha 1
  4. Golfman25

    Golfman25 Active Member

    276
    Sep 12, 2009
    IL
    281
    V8
    Holly chit. Looks like static electricity sparked it. Seems to start were the nozzle meets the fill hole.
     
  5. Wylie_Tunes

    Wylie_Tunes Active Member

    655
    Oct 26, 2012
    Lake Wylie NC area
    N/A
    N/A
    Gas boat. Mastercraft.
     
  6. kysearay

    kysearay Active Member

    155
    Jun 15, 2017
    KY
    42 Sundancer
    8.1's gassers
    some of the info on the facebook pages has stated that he did not survive and that he was filling the rod holder?? Dont know if any of that is true or just Facebook rumor, either way prayers for the folks involved.
     
  7. PlayDate

    PlayDate Well-Known Member

    Dec 25, 2006
    Washington DC
    1994 370 Express Cruiser
    454 Mercruisers
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  8. Bt Doctur

    Bt Doctur Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    New Jersey
    Ex SRV 240 Weekender twin
    in between
    Going by the latest reports the boat just refueled and no mention of a pre-start checklist after a refuel operation. Locally in Keyport NJ years ago there were 2 with the same factors. Left the fuel dock went about 200 yards and with the air mixing with the fumes they went boom.
     
  9. kysearay

    kysearay Active Member

    155
    Jun 15, 2017
    KY
    42 Sundancer
    8.1's gassers
    I am always cautious when refueling and run my blowers after and vent for 5/10 minutes before firing up the gen or mains and still close my eyes and pray!!
     
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2019
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  10. Creekwood

    Creekwood Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 26, 2009
    Oakville and Georgian Bay, Ontario
    '97 330 Sundancer, Raymarine C80 suite with radar, Mercury 310 Hypalon w/8hp Yammie 2stk
    2X 454 carbs w/ vDrives
    Its not jus the top, its the whole boat with the t_top still attached. The whole boat goes up in the air with the t-top still attached. then comes down sideways. that top hit him with the full force of the boat weight too. There are other full size versions of the video on YouTube and you can frame by frame walk through it. You can see the flash in the bilge under the edge of the console when it starts. Scary.
     
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  11. Handsome Transom

    Handsome Transom Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    296
    Jan 26, 2018
    Penetanguishene Ontario Canada
    1989 SeaRay Sundancer 268 454 Bravo
    454 Mercruiser bravo drive
    Wow more caution . More maintenance to eliminate spark possibilities in the bilge.more pre ignition checks and blower operation . I will do better than i have and work harder to keep my passengers safe. Wondering if opening the bilge hatches will help . Im going to invest in some gas shocks to hold mine open and invest in some new quiet blowers and use them whenever below cruise speed now . Play safe gassers
     
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  12. PlayDate

    PlayDate Well-Known Member

    Dec 25, 2006
    Washington DC
    1994 370 Express Cruiser
    454 Mercruisers
    Hard to tell if we will ever know what caused this. What troubles me is something like this a result of a deferred maintenance or a mistake? After all there are millions of gas boats on the waters globally and the number that explode at the fuel dock is a relatively small number.

    I'm not trying to diminish the danger but simply understand how something like this happens. If you think about it....the fuel system has a fill point, tank, vent and pickup tubes. Unless there is an integrity problem in the system.....there shouldn't be a leak. If there is a leak in the tank.....that is something that happens whether or not you are at the fuel dock or not.

    A mistake is pumping gas into a rod holder or water tank. I have seen both and the rod holder version will make your heart stop because it will blow when you start the engine or virtually anything electronic. A bilge full of gas doesn't care about your ignition protection.

    I'm also leery about running the blowers while filling the tanks. Depending on the boats design....that can be problematic if the air intakes are any where near the vents for the tanks. On those designs....gas fumes are drawn down into the ER as the tanks are being filled which can lead to a dangerous condition. Since a lot of people run their blowers when they fill their tanks perhaps that is less of a problem than I imagine.

    Short of a mistake or a leak it is pretty hard to imagine what else could cause a boat to blow at the fuel dock. I still think the safest process is still to shut everything down, get everyone off the boat and fill the tanks. Then prior to starting, open the ER hatch and check for the smell of gas. I also have a gas fume detector installed as well. Once you are satisfied start the blowers, run them for a few minutes and start the engines.
     
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  13. Handsome Transom

    Handsome Transom Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    296
    Jan 26, 2018
    Penetanguishene Ontario Canada
    1989 SeaRay Sundancer 268 454 Bravo
    454 Mercruiser bravo drive
    Thats the routine i like to follow
     
  14. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2007
    N. Wisconsin/Lk Superior
    2005 420DA
    Cummins 6CTA8.3
    That sure is a scary video.
     
  15. M Prod

    M Prod Well-Known Member

    721
    Oct 6, 2017
    North Vancouver, BC
    2005 Sundancer 340
    Aquapro Dinghy w/ Honda 8hp
    Kohler 5KW Genny
    Raymarine Electronics
    8.1 Horizons /V Drives
    Terrifying.

    You’re not allowed to run blowers while fueling here ..or anything else for that matter. By law everything must be powered down, and all battery switches off/solenoids de-energized before the attendant will hand you the fuel nozzle.
     
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  16. kysearay

    kysearay Active Member

    155
    Jun 15, 2017
    KY
    42 Sundancer
    8.1's gassers
    Sounds like a good plan - nobody wants to go BOOM!!
     
  17. WV 320 Dancer

    WV 320 Dancer Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    532
    Oct 28, 2018
    2003 Sea Ray Sundancer 320
    Twin 350 MAG - V Drive
    The same at our fuel dock....
     
  18. scooper321

    scooper321 Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    684
    Jul 4, 2015
    Baltimore, MD
    Listed for sale: "Lollygagger" 2003 320DA
    Boat Under Contract: Name TBD, 2003 400DB
    Now: Twin 5.7L Horizon Mercruiser (350 MAG MPI) V-drives
    Forthcoming: Twin Cummins 6CTA-8.3
    Wow. At the new fuel dock in Baltimore (near MarineMax) they actually require that you DO run your blowers during fueling. Go figure.
     
  19. Creekwood

    Creekwood Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 26, 2009
    Oakville and Georgian Bay, Ontario
    '97 330 Sundancer, Raymarine C80 suite with radar, Mercury 310 Hypalon w/8hp Yammie 2stk
    2X 454 carbs w/ vDrives
    Our marina requires all electronics to be off and no blowers running, cabin and hatches closed while refueling.

    Not sure if running the blowers during would be safer or not. They are ignition protected motors and it would prevent fume build up if there was a fuel fill line leak. It would make it impossible to hear the fuel filling gurgle and there would be more overfill spills.
     
  20. Creekwood

    Creekwood Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 26, 2009
    Oakville and Georgian Bay, Ontario
    '97 330 Sundancer, Raymarine C80 suite with radar, Mercury 310 Hypalon w/8hp Yammie 2stk
    2X 454 carbs w/ vDrives
    On a related note, when I had my first boat, I had a slip neighbour one year whose boat had an obvious fuel leak. His boat stunk like gas all the time. One time it was really bad. So i wrote a long note to him pleading that he fix his boat and NOT try to start or run it with that kind of leak. I tried to be nice. I ran into him one day a month later and he gave me attitude about the note. quite the a-hole. I reported it to the marina and he was gone shortly after.
     

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