'88 230 restoration (rotten transom)

WWCephas

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Sep 19, 2009
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Puget Sound, WA.
Boat Info
1988 230 Weekender
Engines
454 Magnum Bravo X
I was very unhappy to discover in Mid August that my transom and spars where rotting away on my '88 230 weekender, but I decided to give the boat a major overhaul instead of looking for a replacement because I really like the layout and handling of this old gal.

What started as finding soft wood under the fiberglass in the aft port corner when investigating a leak, has grown to be a major tear down of the entire engine bay. As I cut out the rotten port side platform I found that the rot had extended into the transom. After removing the fiberglass and investigating further I found that while the original rotten plywood on the port side platform was from a leaking scupper drain, the transom was rotted out due to insufficient sealing of the swim step mounting screws on the support rod. I suspected the starboard side would have the same problem, and sure enough it did when I got there. So far, as you can see in the attached pictures, I have removed all the wood in the transom outdrive area (the other wood in the transom all appears good so far). I am going to replace that wood with Coosa composite board and re-fiberglass before continuing on to replace the rest of the wood in the engine bilge. My spars are totally sodden as well thanks to engine mounts that were drilled and installed at an angle, one even punched through the side of the mount block extending into the center of the bilge where water was able to wick into the wood over time.

EDIT: These pictures have been updated with many more photos showing in detail the extent of rot found so that others may have an idea of what they will find if they have rot and to help those intrepid enough to undertake repairing it.

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First indication of rot, the trim tab pump (now sitting on upper shelf) pulled loose and took a piece of fiberglass with it, as seen on the vertical wall under the wire bundle.
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Cutting into the fiberglass to repair the rot on the L/H shelf I found the transom board badly water damaged.
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Uncovering the transom revealed that the two swim step screws were another source of leakage, they were never sealed when installed. The wood all around the screws (barely visible in the pic) was so soft I could scrape the wood off with my fingernails.
The fiberglass on the inside of the boat here was relatively thin and easy to peel off. The outer fiberglass skin is about a 1/4 inch with the gel coat layer.
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At this point I had to decide to either scrap the boat or go forward. Obviously I opted for the challenge of the former, not knowing it was going to get much worse. Luckily the other part of the transom wood you can see in the upper right was separated from the trapezoidal shaped area that supported the outdrive and was nice and dry.
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Here I have stripped a good portion of the interior skin off and cut out some the 1.5" thick wood transom board. I used a radial saw carefully set to .5" deep and made cross cuts in the wood and then chiseled out between the cuts. I had to be extra careful not to damage the external fiberglass skin. This work was not much fun and a bit nerve wracking. The good part is if you do cut too deep it is fiberglass and can be repaired!
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This shows a cross section of the transom board after making the cuts and chiseling. It appears to be made from three 1/2 inch plywood panels sandwiched together as each half inch thick segment split off easiest. You can also see the crosscut saw marks as I worked my way through.
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A little farther along, but now it is clear the engine supports are going to need to be removed to get it all. It turns out they were completed saturated and starting to decay as well. At this point you are going to want to put some support structure or jacks under your hull to help keep it from flexing, although it was still surprisingly rigid even when all the spars were cut away.
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Engine supports beams cut back, wood removal continues.
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Stripping continues, down to bare fiberglass on one side.
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All rot removed. The wood boards sandwiched in the rest of the transom were protected by a fiberglass web and remained perfectly dry. (Thank God)
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L/H stringers aft, although it appears pretty clean in the light of this photo the wood was soaked through and starting to rot here as well. On the bright side, Sea Ray used a quality foam that did not get water logged.
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This picture clearly shows the wood rot just forward of the last picture and how water wicked forward from the transom into the forward engine bay wall, spreading the rot as it went.
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Engine forward wall removed and the rot extending into the back of the cockpit. In the bottom right you can see where my saw cut a little too deep into the hull when cutting out the engine supports and forward engine bay wall. Not a big deal though, it did not go too deep and during the rebuild I ground the cut smooth and did a 20-1 patch over the area.
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The rot is now limited to the fuel bay board vertical wall on the far right, you can see it is much darker than the outer stringer. This shot gives a good cross section of how the boat is built. Most surprising to me was seeing the outer stringers did not ride on the hull but floated about a 1/2 inch above the hull on a bed of foam. The inner fuel tank wall did ride on the hull but on a bed of fiberglass to spread out the stress to the hull.

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This picture shows the fuel bay floor is also soaked thoroughly and starting to rot (where the wood color gets very dark).
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One more shot showing how far forward I ended up cutting. Some factory voids in the foam are visible on the left.
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Cutting out the L/H cockpit floor to replace the flooring and add new storage space and hatches.
My wife and I did not care at all for carpet flooring in the cockpit.
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The forward gray area is the stock storage area, the aft area with all the tools lying loose will be additional storage now that the foam is removed. The sidewall carpet was also removed at a later date and replaces with a TuffCoat finish.
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Cutting the lower floor decking out to access the stringers to splice them to the repaired sub structure later.

Later posts will show the rebuild of these areas.
 
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That is quite a winter project. Roughly how many labor hours do you expext something like this will take? ...Ron
 
WW; i see you have exposed the flotation foam in your fist pic.
was it saturated with water when you opened it up?

best of luck, and looks like your well on the way to saving her.
 
The foam was for the most part dry although some of the foam in the worst rotted areas had become soggy.
I have about 30 hours into the project so far with probably another 80-100 to go.
I have advanced a bit farther, purchasing 1.5" thick Coosa Bluewater 26 composite board to replace the transom wood and cutout the initial template, although I have the tedious task of final fitting the replacement board, which will involve many trips back and forth between the bilge and the band saw and belt sander.
At least with the composite board I will never ever have to worry about rot again.

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cutaway showing foam mostly dry
 
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OK, maybe a stupid question but here goes. Is all that plywood coreing required? What I mean is could one just lay up all fiberglass shelving boxes with fiberglass struts and supports and eliminate the wood altogether? I realize the cost would be higher as would be the weight, but I'd trade that for the knowledge that whats there would never rot. The transom would be another story but I like the idea of composite board coring over wood. What do the experts say? If it is possible, how thick would the glass have to be to do the job?
 
I imagine you could go all fiberglass, but it would need to be thick and very heavy, and the stern is the last place you want weight. The expense would also be high (although probably the same as using a composite board like I am), but you would also probably end up with a lot of voids building up that many layers without vacuum bagging. The Coosa composite I am using is 30 percent lighter than plywood and way stronger.

As for my repair I have progressed to the point of cutting out the replacement Coosa composite transom board and I am now working on final fitting and prep work before bonding it. Hopefully by the end of November it will be bonded and ready for glassing over. Here are photos of the replacement board and a core sample of Coosa.

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2 sheets of Coosa composite, the transom board is already cut from the 1.5" thick board
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Core sample of Coosa, you can see the fiberglass threads.
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Setting and checking the 1.5" thick board, this is much easier than trying to laminate 3 layers of 1/2" plywood!
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Replacement board bolted in place with temp bolts while curing. Only tighten to a snug fit or the bonding agent will be squeezed too thin and not adhere as well.
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The backing board on the outside to keep the repair flat and promote proper adhesion.
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The new board is set and now a STRUCTURAL filler epoxy is added for smoothing and filling gaps so fiberglass layers will flow smoothly when laid down.
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Several layers of fiberglass, a sandwich of cloth and heavy matte laid over the repair. I also made a change down by the drain hole. Previously this was an inset area under the transom board, but I filled this area with more structural epoxy filler and made a tube with a custom cut piece of PVC. The main reason for this was to spread out stress and make sure the layers of fiberglass flowed easily around a simple bend instead of a complex concave section. The original fiberglass was shot in with a chop gun which easily conformed to a tight bend.
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After painting with Bilgekote, some areas of paint will have to be ground off later when the stringers are layed in and fiberglassed to the transom.
 
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I'm doing the same thing to my 268 weekender. Are u replacing the foam as well? I removed atleast 500 lbs of wet wood and foam. The odd thing is the boat always sat perfectly in the water. Showed no signs of being water logged.
 
In reply to the question about foam:
I am removing all the existing foam and will be replacing it when closing out the areas. The foam adds greatly to the structural support of the hull and adds a measure of flotation as well if flooded. The existing foam was only saturated in a few small areas, but had to be removed to provide access. Using a 3" trowel it was easy to cut it out in chunks.

In reply to stringer replacement:
I will be using fiberglass coated Coosa for the stringers as well.
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Here are the Port side stringers laid in, they will float 1/2 inch above the foam like the original outer stringers did.
They are glued and stapled together just like original factory plywood. Coosa board worked very well with staples.
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This is the same board as the previous picture at the forward end where it splices to the original stringer, 10 feet from the transom leak! This splice is glued and stainless bolted with back up boards over the splice.
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Looking down the length of the port side outer stringer. Also you can see the new fuel tank walls is in as well. If you look carefully you can the fuel tank wall is laying on a bed of the orange structural filler. Once again this is to spread out the stress. Also if you put a square edge board directly against an angled surface only the edge will contact, making a severe stress point which could crack the hull in time.
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Here is a picture of the initial foam poured under the stringers. I wanted to be sure there was a good pour without voids under the outer stringer which floated a 1/2 inch above the hull on a bed of foam.
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Foam poured into the stringer spaces half full before putting down the sub floor boards and doing a final foam filling through 1" holes cut in the floor.
Be sure to read up on the intricacies of pouring foam as it is highly dependent on the temperature and type of foam used. You can be too cold and get a solid mess with barely any foam or even worse pour too much and get too hot and blow out a section if the pressure builds up too fast for your overflow holes to relieve the pressure.
It is not hard to do, but can be very messy and takes some thought, don't rush it.
Also beware that the foam resin is nearly impossibly to get off the deck without sanding if you spill some on exposed surfaces, so protect the finished areas of the boat while using foam.
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Here is the sub-floor laid down over the stringers. This is a pre-fit, the foam pouring holes have not been drilled yet.
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New storage boxes laid in over sub-floor. You can see the foam pouring holes topped off and also foam filling in the side by the hull.
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Cabin floors laid in over storage boxes and fiberglassed. The storage boxes have already been glassed in and painted before putting on the floor so when the hatches are cut the storage box will already be complete.
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Storage hatches installed. You can see the finished interior on the open panel. Just one of the smaller storage panels is big enough for four crab buoys and 400 feet of line. This model of Sea Ray also has a crab pot storage door over the fuel tank that previously held 3-4 folding square pots but now will hold 5.
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The crab pot door over the fuel tank is now a hinged door with a hold open pin. Also you can see I have bolted the seats into place. The seats are located directly over the divider between the storage boxes which are two 1/2 inch thick plywood boards giving them extreme rigidity.
The extra space for crab pots was made by lowering the bottom floor a bit more and using a thinner 3/4 inch door supported with aluminum channels to give it rigidity. The stock design was 1.5 inch thick board with 1" square wood supports on the bottom.
I will try to post another picture soon of what it looks like finished with the Tuff coating on the floor and sidewalls.
You can also kind of see I am reworking the interior, I pulled out the galley and fridge and built a love seat in its place. We use this boat for over-nighters and eat all our meals in restaurants. A cooler on the swim step keeps the drinks colder than any fridge could. The boat is twenty years old and the stove looked like it never has been used.
 
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The cabin floor was not in too bad shape, but under the carpeting there was a few soft spots and the wood is rather rough as they did not use cabinet grade plywood since it was covered in carpet. Since I would prefer to not have carpeting I am replacing all the flooring and adding extra storage spaces under the deck for fishing gear.

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Rotted flooring under after pulling carpet. Not too bad for 20 years.
 
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Cabin floor was rotten???
that seems really odd.

Not really. You'd be surprised how well the plywood wicks water. On my project the water leak was at the transom. Everything from the transom up to the cabin was wet wood.
 
PROJECT COMPLETED!

I wrapped it up last June including an upgrade to a Bravo Drive and rebuild of the 454 Magnum and all new engine accessories.

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Rough cut through transom repair, bonding epoxy visible.
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A good friend found the drill jig on Craiglist which made drilling the two extra Bravo drive holes easy.
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Almost ready for Bravo drive less grinding smooth slots for the steering arm on the interior side at the required angle when the arm is at full travel both directions. Also there are several holes that still need patching after removing the backing plate and bolts from the transom repair process.
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I found a used Bravo X drive for 3K on E-Bay. After selling my Alpha Drive for 1K it was a 2K upgrade. Although there was several hundred dollars more work to the engine required for the Raw Water pump and plumbing.
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Rebuilt 454 Magnum ready to reinstall. I went with a Shaker style pump for ease of access to replace impellers. It took some modification of the wall between the engine bay and the Fuel bay to get the extra clearance. A 350 engine would have cleared easily.
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The Bravo X installed!

Anyone interested in detailed build pictures can visit my public Facebook photo book and check it out.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2027745&id=1579476334&l=82a42c6b9c
 
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What a great job. I am interested in the Coosa product. I see you used it for your stringers but you also used plywood in areas where you were bolting things down like the seats. Does the coosa hold a screw as good as plywood? I would like to lose the carpet in my boat and go with snap in. Can you get the coosa in diffenent thickness to use on the floor? I did a search of this product and didn't find much. Maybe my search description wasn't good.

At any rate, any info you have on the product would be helpful.

Thanks.
 
Coosa comes in thicknesses up to 1.5". It's screw holding ability is excellent. I took two 4 inch circles I cut out with a hole saw and screwed them together with a single 3" drywall screw and no one in my shop at work could pull them apart with their hands. In several places I used laminated sections of Coosa glued and screwed together to make complex shapes. It is impressive in every category, easy to work with, low dust when worked, very strong, waterproof, and lightweight. All that comes at a price though. The 4x8 1.5" sheet cost me just over $400 and the 3/4 sheet cost $230. I would have loved to use all Coosa but my budget got tighter and also availability locally got tight and I did not have time to wait for it to be shipped if I wanted to be in the water this Summer. Therefore I used it in the most water sensitive areas, and marine plywood in the rest.
One area where it does lack is abrasion resistance, I would not use it on the floor without putting down some fiberglass over it or the foam will wear down quickly.
I was hoping to use King Starboard for flooring but that was not in the budget either, StarBoard is not great for holding screws though.
 
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One more compilation picture of the engine bay from final fiberglassing to engine install.
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Starting to rebuild engine bay, using Laminated Coosa boards for the engine supports.
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Rough fitting the Coosa boards, the lower shelf are 1.5" thick boards and will be seriously strong.
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More rough fitting.
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All boards set, fastened, and now fiberglassed.
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The fwd engine wall had a large V-notch cut into it later to clear the new Shaker Raw Water pump for the Bravo drive conversion.
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The Starboard engine bay after fiberglassing.
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The port side of the engine bay after fiberglassing.
 

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