60' sea ray ss purchase

[ccwoody]

Need input on the good,bad and the ugly on this 2003 sea ray. your experience with Man 1005 engines. Can you recommend a blog to get info.

 

[JimG]

Can't help much with the info but welcome to CSR!

60 footer has to be nice! :thumbsup:

 

[Pseudomind]

I will admit I am not in your league boating wise, But wherever I go I hear a paraphrase of this comment, "Mann's are good engines, but when it comes time for a service scheduled service be prepared to have deep pockets." The figures I keep hearing are at the $30,000.00 plus per engine.

I will admit I do not know what service period this entails, but I have heard the above lament more then once on a few occasions. :huh:

I know I like the Sea Ray 60, but unless I was to win a substantial lottery amount, I will continue to look.

 

[Pseudomind]

(It is showing I posted this earlier, but I am not seeing it, so if it happens to show up twice, this one may be deleted by an admin)

deleted, see above thread

 

[Boatingfool]

Need input on the good,bad and the ugly on this 2003 sea ray. your experience with Man 1005 engines. Can you recommend a blog to get info.

The V10 Man's are awesome, best decision I made was to get a boat with them. The major, 1000hr maintenance, will cost about $8,500 per engine should you deicide to get new injectors.

 

[Mr Salt]

I might suggest that you go and look at a Viking Yachts site. Vikings are very large MAN users. They run great and do not have engine zincs becasue they are made with the same metal throughout. They are expensive to maintain. The marina I am at is full of them.

 

[Lady Ashley SR560]

Theres a ss at our marina for sale . not an easy boat to back down in the slip. The special drives have the screws back at the transom and its hard to get the nose to swing even with the thruster. Im not sure of the broker but shes the "paper chase" jupiter fla. @ Mears Graet Oak Landing fairlee cr. md. 410-778-5007

 

[fwebster]

I run a 50 Viking Conv, with 1000 hp V-10 MANs for a friend. She is at 3800 hours now. Parts for MAN's are expensive, but the engines themselves are bullet proof. Location means something with respect to any hired help you need. There are fewer trained MAN technicians and authorized service companies so travel expenses can add up. in the 8 years she has been "in the family" we've only needed MAN help once. That was for an injector problem and routine service with valve adjustment. It was an "ouch" service bill, but for the time run and service we are getting out of the engines, it was not unreasonable.

We also subscribe to the school of thought that we don't fix things that are not broken....some of MAN's service recommendations seem aimed at generating revenue more then doing anything necessary to the engines, and we religiously maintain the engines with fuel management, oil changes, coolant changes, filter replacement, etc.

If the boat I was looking at had MAN's. I'd be more pleased than disappointed.

 

[RollerCoastr]

We also subscribe to the school of thought that we don't fix things that are not broken....some of MAN's service recommendations seem aimed at generating revenue...

That's my feeling too, and I think it applies to the automotive world as well. I was recently scolded by a service writer for opting out of the recommended 20,000 mile front end alignment. My logic: if I haven't hit anything, there's no abnormal tire wear, it tracks perfectly, why pay to have someone mess with it? He of course, had no satisfactory answer.

I'm even more suspicious of the 1,000 hour service. Who REALLY believes that meters are a good indication of anything other than how many hours engines have run? They don't offer any info on the engines themselves. No chronology, load, fuel burn, temperature, maintenance, error codes or data that actually helps diagnose or predict an issue.

It's a great way to soak people out of 17 grand tho...

 

[Carver370]

I know that boat, its a 630 SS with Surface drives. The 60 has conventional drives with shafts and props, completely different animal in terms of handling.

Theres a ss at our marina for sale . not an easy boat to back down in the slip. The special drives have the screws back at the transom and its hard to get the nose to swing even with the thruster. Im not sure of the broker but shes the "paper chase" jupiter fla. @ Mears Graet Oak Landing fairlee cr. md. 410-778-5007

 

[fwebster]

Please don't misunderstand my comment.......I said some of MANs recommendation seemed excessive, like replacing injectors. Engine time on a diesel is a clock, but at the same time it is the only reasonable way to measure service intervals for such things as valve adjustments, fluid & filter changes, and other use related maintenance.

We do not subscribe to the school of thought that because it runs, it doesn't need to be maintained.

 

[quality time]

Theres a ss at our marina for sale . not an easy boat to back down in the slip. The special drives have the screws back at the transom and its hard to get the nose to swing even with the thruster. Im not sure of the broker but shes the "paper chase" jupiter fla. @ Mears Graet Oak Landing fairlee cr. md. 410-778-5007

That is a sooty boat, we saw it leaving Great Oaks one day...looked like it was on fire.