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48 Sundancer with Arneson Drives

Discussion in 'Sport Yachts/Yachts' started by Morgan Jane, Mar 31, 2015.

  1. Morgan Jane

    Morgan Jane Member

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    Sep 10, 2010
    va
    On the hunt.
    Boatless
    Anybody got an opinion on what the characteristics of a 48 Sundancer with Arneson Drives would be like?
    Would it work or does the hull design have to be known from the start? Can you convert a V-Drive boat to surface drives?
     
  2. dpmulvey

    dpmulvey New Member

    Dec 19, 2007
    Homeport: Charles City, VA
    1999/2007 330 Sundancer Hardtop.
    6.2 Merc Horixons
    1.5:1 Velvet Drives
    You can do anything you want in America. All it takes is money.

    Out of my $$$ range, but I would call Saro marine in Germany or Harry Schoell before I went to Arneson. Just my opinion. Arnies are mostly race drives with race repair costs when they break.

    Good Luck. Keep us posted.
     
  3. Bottom Line

    Bottom Line Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    Table Rock Lake(Branson MO)
    2003 360 Sundancer
    2002 Sea Doo GTI (sold)
    Twin Mercruiser 8.1L
    Westerbeke Generator
    I dont really know much about arneson surface drives, but here is a pic from a a 60 some footer Sunseeker...looks quite abit different than vdrives.
    [​IMG]
     
  4. aquadancer

    aquadancer New Member

    357
    Oct 17, 2006
    Blue Bell, PA
    2002 410DA
    CAT 3126TA
    In the 90's, Searay made some large Sundancer and Super Sun Sports with surface drives. There was a 63 Sundancer with 1300HP CATs and surface drives in my marina. 40 kts+ boat but owner was always saying that it was tricky to handle.
     
  5. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1995 550 Sedan Bridge,
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport,
    CAT 3406C's, 580hp.
    I guess my first question would be "Why do you want to mess with a well proven drive system to try something that you might not like and might give you tons of headaches and cost a ton of money to do?
     
  6. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    Surface piercing drives are just that…….they run with the bottom 1/2 of the prop in the water. That means they have almost no drag, far less than even PODs. The trade off, at least on a 630DA, the only one I've been on, is low speed handling. We almost needed a tug to find the dock when the one headed to a dealer's show in Knoxville stopped here for a few days. Incidently, Rob Parmentier was in Sales at the time and he was running the boat.

    Now, the question of why you would spend a ton more for a little more speed and ruin a wonderful handling boat, I think might fall in the "more money than sense" department.
     
  7. Morgan Jane

    Morgan Jane Member

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    Sep 10, 2010
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    Now, the question of why you would spend a ton more for a little more speed and ruin a wonderful handling boat, I think might fall in the "more money than sense" department.[/QUOTE]

    Would it be a ton of money?. I have been looking at the Fountain 48 express cruiser. Running at 40 mph it gets over 1 mile per gallon. I run around in a lot of shallow water with logs and debris. But I like the layout of a 48 Dancer. Just tossing the idea out there? Mostly, I just like what I like and I like things that are different.
     
  8. boltman

    boltman Active Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Flint/Swartz Creek MI, Ported in Whitehall/Montagu
    480 Sedan Bridge
    "Sea Ray's Best Boat Ever Made"
    700 hp MANS Diesels Thundering Cathedrals of Torque!!
    Yeah Arneson surface drives are for high speeds and straight lines also they must have extreme horse power to run them which means extreme fuel bills and if you have to ask about the price , you can't afford the drives .... Stick with V drives


    Boltman
     
  9. Do Over

    Do Over Member

    981
    Aug 9, 2014
    Lake of the Ozarks
    2002 340DA
    8.1 Horizons
    I've seen that 68' Sunseeker manuever around the dock...he doesn't seem to have ANY problem with slow speed manuevering at all....do what ya want...it's your money.
     
  10. Billfletcher

    Billfletcher New Member

    913
    Feb 20, 2011
    San Diego, CA
    2014, 44, EC.
    2 X 370HP Volvo D6, DPH Duo Prop's
    How did you draw the conclusion he can't afford it?
    it appears to me he is asking questions about the operational and engineering aspects.
    seems like interesting stuff. I didn't know these existed until 5 mins ago.
     
  11. Air O'Nautical

    Air O'Nautical Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Stamford CT
    1995 400EC. Raymarine E80,4kw dome, Garmin 235 gps,
    2013 7.4L Mercruiser Blue water.
    Hurth straight shaft 630's,
    Westerbeke 7.0 BCG
    Minor hi-jack ... Sorry.

    Anyone know what the big trim tab looking thing above the starboard prop is ??
     
  12. Larry

    Larry Well-Known Member

    Oct 19, 2006
    Oakland, NJ
    2004 42 Sundancer
    Hydraulic platform
    Cockpit air
    KVH M3
    450hp Cummins
    I have fairly extensive experience running a few boats with Arneson Surface drives, most recently my friends 64 Pershing with a pair of MAN 1550HP. The Arneson drives have some interesting characteristics, you can't get these boats up on plane in water less then 12ft of water, as they need very clean water for the props to bite, slow cruise is something they don't do well, you can put them in gear and do 11kts at idle speed with both motors in gear, you can push the throttle to 80% load and only do 14kts, then when the props start to bite, hold on!!! it's like something smacked you in back and you watch your speed and load start climbing, before you know it your hauling 90,000lbs of boat at 45kts!!! (if your wondering, 240GPH!!), we would usually settle in at a "modest" cruise of 38-40kts, with a 300ft rooster tail!! This being said, Arneson's are not for everyone, they do require a far amount of adjustments on the drive angle (similar to a stern drive), they are a lot of work to get up on plane, I don't see maintenance as too bad, but definitely more then conventional drives.
     
  13. Morgan Jane

    Morgan Jane Member

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    Sep 10, 2010
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    I think that is a partial hydraulic swim platform that lowers into the water.

    Bill
     
  14. bajturner

    bajturner Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    735
    Aug 17, 2010
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2008 44 Sedan Bridge
    2017 Avon 380DL RIB w/ Yamaha 40
    2019 Sea-Doo GTX
    2020 Sea-Doo RXT-X
    Twin QSC-500 HO
    Would it even be possible without major engine and transmission reconfiguration and possibly hull and transom modifications? I'm not overly familiar with the 48, but I assume props are in tunnels and the shafts exit the hull closer to midship from the V-Drives, whereas the Arneson drives require a shaft exiting directly through the transom. It seems to me the transmission is on the wrong side of the engine in a V-Drive to convert to surface drives, or do I misunderstand?
     
  15. JV II

    JV II Active Member

    Nov 17, 2007
    RI
    Flybridge
    Volvo V-Drive
    I have his old boat. Still lovingly cared for going on my third season.

    Bill, build it. I bet you can. It would take a while. I'd love to see that.
     
  16. sdleo26

    sdleo26 Member

    526
    Feb 5, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    290 Amberjack 2004
    350 5.7 MAG MPI Horizons w/ V-drives
    Makes two of us... I never saw anything like this, that's why I love this board.; I learn something new all the time
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2015
  17. Air O'Nautical

    Air O'Nautical Well-Known Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Stamford CT
    1995 400EC. Raymarine E80,4kw dome, Garmin 235 gps,
    2013 7.4L Mercruiser Blue water.
    Hurth straight shaft 630's,
    Westerbeke 7.0 BCG
  18. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1995 550 Sedan Bridge,
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport,
    CAT 3406C's, 580hp.
    It seems from watching Youtube vids of the Arneson Drives the coolest thing you can say about them is they throw a big rooster tail.

    Oh my I think I'll spend a TON of money so my boat can throw a big rooster tail.
     
  19. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2007
    N. Wisconsin/Lk Superior
    2005 420DA
    Cummins 6CTA8.3
    You already spent a ton of money on a boat that only burns one tank of fuel a year....what's the big deal:smt043 If you got it spend it anyway you want. Take a look at their website for a little more info. They even make conversions for Bravo drives....I'd have a fast, fuel efficient 280DA that could even throw a rooster tail. I'd have a bow covered in bikini'd bling with a cool boat like that.:grin:
     
  20. Bottom Line

    Bottom Line Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    Table Rock Lake(Branson MO)
    2003 360 Sundancer
    2002 Sea Doo GTI (sold)
    Twin Mercruiser 8.1L
    Westerbeke Generator
    Here is a pic of the boat I posted earlier in the thread...

    [​IMG]
     

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