470 hits wall in Cleveland

TonyQSC500

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Jan 7, 2018
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Canton, Oh.
Boat Info
sold 2007 44 sundancer. White hull with black stripe and canvas.
Engines
Cummins QSC 500’s V-drives.
I’m surprised no one has posted anything about this yet. happened Sunday night around 11 pm. Alcohol is said to be involved. Everyone made it off the boat ok also.
 

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We had one near us go straight into a seawall at a lower speed. Punched a huge hole in the bow but they were able to get to a lift before it sank. Never did hear a cause for why they hit it.
 
Ahhh….hang the mats out to dry, buff out the hull , good to go!!!!
 
We had one near us go straight into a seawall at a lower speed. Punched a huge hole in the bow but they were able to get to a lift before it sank. Never did hear a cause for why they hit it.

They left this one on the rocks over night and by morning it had slid off the rocks and sank.
 
CBIT

Controlled Boating Into Terrain
 
You would be amazed at how many people with all that equipment on their boats don’t know how to use any of it.
Or don’t believe it. You pilot guys on here, Carpe?, isn’t there a study says a lot of private plane crashes are caused by not believing the instruments? Didn’t they find from black box that JFK jr flew the plane straight into the water even though his instruments were telling him “stop doing this”?
 
Instruments or not, Lake Erie at night can be scary.
 
Or don’t believe it. You pilot guys on here, Carpe?, isn’t there a study says a lot of private plane crashes are caused by not believing the instruments? Didn’t they find from black box that JFK jr flew the plane straight into the water even though his instruments were telling him “stop doing this”?

As a flight instructor, I used to council my newly minted private pilots that attempting to fly in IMC (Instrument Meteorological Conditions…basically reduced visibility) is extremely dangerous. The average life expectancy of a VFR private pilot into continued IMC is measured in seconds (it’s a little bit of hyperbole) However the point was that you need to get addition training and skills.

The same thing can be said for boats. If you are going to go in less than ideal conditions , you need to have the right equipment, know how to use it, build your skill and knowledge, and practice on a regular basis.

or as Clint said…Man’s gotta know his limitations.

you need some personal minimums, things you just don’t do.



https://www.flightsafetyaustralia.com/2016/01/178-seconds-to-live-vfr-into-imc/
 
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Instruments or not, Lake Erie at night can be scary.
Same with the Chesapeake. We have these land mines called crab pots that anyone can drop anywhere at anytime. Wrap one around running gear and you are screwed. I don’t move at night anymore. Not worth it the damage and safety.
 
Always use your radar everytime the boat moves. Have it overlay and just by itself. Look at the screen and see what it picks up on a clear sunny day. Then cut that by a third when in heavy fog. Don't run at night unless you have to, everyone will have more fun that way.
 
Always use your radar everytime the boat moves. Have it overlay and just by itself. Look at the screen and see what it picks up on a clear sunny day. Then cut that by a third when in heavy fog. Don't run at night unless you have to, everyone will have more fun that way.
That's a great point sir.

As a former tactical Naval Aviator and airline pilot, I've used a lot of radar in the past 55 years. And when I got my 340, and later on my 410, I began learning (and practicing!) how to use the radar overlay, correlate it with a paper chart and the electronic charting. Susan and I have been caught in unforecast fog twice in our 58 - and its a team effort. She is in front of me with the paper charts, orchestrating what is coming, and I'm correlating with the overlay and electronic charts. NEVER run faster than a speed where you can stop in half the distance of your visibility! We do this with an analog radar on our old E120 - My new e127 cannot display analog radar - yet we are comfortable, very comfortable, with it. Slow is pro!
 
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Always use your radar everytime the boat moves. Have it overlay and just by itself. Look at the screen and see what it picks up on a clear sunny day. Then cut that by a third when in heavy fog. Don't run at night unless you have to, everyone will have more fun that way.

Amen to that! It can always pickup boats in the distance long before the naked eye can....

Best to become familiar with it when you don't need it as well...
 
Always use your radar everytime the boat moves. Have it overlay and just by itself. Look at the screen and see what it picks up on a clear sunny day. Then cut that by a third when in heavy fog. Don't run at night unless you have to, everyone will have more fun that way.

+1 This is exactly what I do. I put the radar up on one display by itself and have my navigating chart set with the radar overlay. Over time you learn to "read" the radar better and interpret it. Even the new digital Radars need to be learned. There are lots of features and settings including up close, coastal and weather which will all give different data view intentionally (these are basically short cut settings that you used to have to set manually).

But even with all that it is hard to keep an eye in front as well as on multiple screens all at one time. Running slow certainly improves your odds that even if something goes wrong the damage will be limited.

-Kevin
 
I turned the radar on for the first time this weekend and it was intimidating. Having read this thread now and also listening to some others before, I plan to start learning how to use it.

Good for you! That's what it takes. Practice, practice practice.

Start on a beautiful clear day, and learn to correlate the radar returns with buoys and other boats with what the radar shows and what your eyes see.

Then, when all you have is radar, you will know what you are looking at.

Its not easy, and I don't do it regularly, but when you are caught out, it works - IF you are practiced and READY.
 

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