460 DA Owners Thread

Discussion in 'Sport Yachts/Yachts' started by Russ Calasant, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. Jaws

    Jaws Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    631
    Nov 13, 2007
    Sarnia, Ontario
    460 Sundancer 2002
    Cummins 8.3 6CTA
    Okay, so we went down to FLIBS thinking that after 12 years with the 460DA it's finally time for a change. I learned a lot but came away with a new respect for what we have. It's really well built and we've had very few problems, plus it looks good in a classic style. And what would I replace it with, within a reasonable budget?
    So arriving back home in a snow storm last night after flying in from Nassau, I logged into CSR. Wow! You guys really raise the bar: beautiful engine painting and detailing; great stern thruster project; beautiful salon stairs.....
    So, motivated by what I didn't see at Ft. Lauderdale and also by a new appreciation of the current boat, I have decided to finally upgrade the electronics suite for the second time around. If anyone is interested I started a thread on Raymarine forum "Questions on a New Configuration" JP460. I'll post as I go along.
     
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  2. gmacd81

    gmacd81 Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    133
    Sep 2, 2014
    Annapolis, MD
    2002 460DA hardtop, Raymarine eS128 & eS75, Evolution AP, SHD color radar, Ray260
    Walker Bay w 40hp
    Cummins 6CTA M3's, Onan 11.5 kW genset
    James - Here's what I did about 4 years ago when the eS line first came out. I went with a new dash panel from Technografic and mounted an eS 75 centered with the Autopilot on the left and two i70s on the right. Also replaced the MFD to the left with a single eS128. Thought about squeezing two in but didn't think it worth it particularly being off to the side.
    IMG_0451.jpg
     
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  3. TheWolfTC

    TheWolfTC Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    394
    Jul 11, 2012
    Elk Rapids
    1999 Sea Ray 460 Sundancer...Raider Marine Dinghy
    Twin Volvo Penta TAMD-73p EDC
    I have been doing mine slowly the past 2 years with all Raymarine "a" series. I have two a98 MFD's, and an a68 MFD paired with the new Quantum 18" Q24C radar. The autopilot is the same but I was able to pick up a new head unit for it which works a bit nicer.

    I added J1708 engine gateways from Yacht Devices to the EDC's so that I could get digital engine read outs on the MFD's as well. Works pretty slick.

    Have fun!
     
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  4. Jaws

    Jaws Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    631
    Nov 13, 2007
    Sarnia, Ontario
    460 Sundancer 2002
    Cummins 8.3 6CTA
    Thanks. I actually missed out on the eS series, trying to get more time out of my Classic E screens. The new Axiom and Axiom Pro units are slick but I have to change the Sirius XM weather module for example. Fortunately the system is scale-able so I can do it in phases. This year the screens; later 3D sonar and even later Evolution A/P with NEMA 2000 connectivity.
    I'm not sure if I can do that engine Gateway without any engine electronics. How does it work?
     
  5. TheWolfTC

    TheWolfTC Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    394
    Jul 11, 2012
    Elk Rapids
    1999 Sea Ray 460 Sundancer...Raider Marine Dinghy
    Twin Volvo Penta TAMD-73p EDC
    Well, I am not 100% certain, but I think it may only be for the Volvo Penta engines...
    https://www.yachtd.com/products/j1708_gateway.html

    With yours being Cummins and 3 years newer it may not be applicable. The company was great to work with...out of Russia of all places...but great email response.
     
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  6. 401Kation

    401Kation Another blow boater gone to the dark side...

    57
    Oct 11, 2013
    Catawba Island, Oh
    1999 460 SunDancer
    VOLVO Diesels
    Wolf, Any chance you have the data file that you used for the engine gateways? I've got them as well, but have very limited data from my engines. RPM, fuel consumption is about all I can remember getting.

    Thanks
     
  7. TheWolfTC

    TheWolfTC Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    394
    Jul 11, 2012
    Elk Rapids
    1999 Sea Ray 460 Sundancer...Raider Marine Dinghy
    Twin Volvo Penta TAMD-73p EDC
    I do have them...but I am leaving out of the country in the morning. Sorry to say it will have to wait until I return after the 20th...of course with all the snow we have just gotten, not sure that's a problem for you. :)

    I am able to get the following engine parameters:
    Rpm
    Hours
    Coolant temp
    Boost pressure
    fuel gph

    I am supposed to be able to get VDC, but still haven't gotten the code figured out for that yet.
     
  8. 401Kation

    401Kation Another blow boater gone to the dark side...

    57
    Oct 11, 2013
    Catawba Island, Oh
    1999 460 SunDancer
    VOLVO Diesels
    No rush, but it would be helpful to get those parameters. Have a great trip.
     
  9. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    I'm on my 2nd one (Quantum 18" Q24C radar) the first one had no weep holes so when it filled up with water from condensation it fried the electronics. The warranty replacement had weep holes !!!
     
  10. TheWolfTC

    TheWolfTC Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    394
    Jul 11, 2012
    Elk Rapids
    1999 Sea Ray 460 Sundancer...Raider Marine Dinghy
    Twin Volvo Penta TAMD-73p EDC
    wow! Will check that this winter to see if I’m good. Crazy!!!
     
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  11. 45Gunner

    45Gunner Member

    47
    Sep 22, 2019
    Boynton Beach, FL
    2000 460 Sundancer. Raymarine E120. Raymarine Open Array Radar. Autopilot. Raytheon RN300 GPS.
    Twin 450 Diamond Series 6CTA 8.3M Cummins.
    After a sabbatical from boating, my wife and I didn't just jump back into it, we dove. We wanted something that we could financially handle as we are both retired and neither of us has a pension so we decided upon an older, well maintained boat. We traveled up and down the east coast of this country and all over Florida. I wouldn't even venture a guess how many thousands of miles we flew, how many miles we put on my car and rental cars and how many nights we spent in hotel rooms all in the name of boat hunting.

    The first boat we decided to buy was a SeaRay Convertible that was in excellent condition and very clean but it had a major problem. One of the engines would not start. I kept in touch with the broker for a while but after two months there was no positive progress so we wrote it off completely. Hours upon hours of internet searching and telephone calls and we found a 440 Express Cruiser that appeared to meet our criteria. The owner was very nice and it was very apparent he loved his boat and took great care of it. He had bought a newer, larger boat and needed out of this one. There's a very long story here but to keep it simple, contracts were signed and it was the day of the survey and sea trial. My wife and I made the 4 hour drive to the boat and spent the night in a nearby hotel so we could be onsite bright and early. We had to stop the survey and refuse the vessel as our surveyor discovered a major termite infestation which had already caused major structural damage. On the drive home we went from extreme disappoint to flipping the switch to being overjoyed our surveyor found the issues. Best money I ever spent.

    We found and looked at many more boats since and then I found a 450 Express Bridge Cruiser. I looked at all the pictures a hundred times and spoke with the broker several times. He said the boat was excellent for its age (what the heck does that mean) and I asked how come there were no pictures of the engines or engine room? He told me everything was great and he didn't have time to go back to the boat just to take pictures of the engines. He assured me they were just fine. We set an appointment and flew to meet the broker who was kind enough to pick us up at the airport. To keep it brief, the engine room looked like the engines had taken a bath in salt water. Perhaps not but there was more rust than I had ever seen on an engine, yet they did fire and run...but for how long before they shake themselves apart? We were greatly disappointed and ticked off. We should have known the broker was hiding something. He dropped us at the airport.

    I found another boat that was only a two hour drive from the airport so we rented yet another car and made the drive. This time we found a 2000 460 Sundancer that looked as if it just came out of the factory and the Cummings Diamond Series Engines had 750 total hours on them. We went out on a limb and spent almost twice the amount we thought we could budget on a boat but this was not a boat to pass up. Closing is estimated to be the first week in December and we are extremely excited.

    I'm happy to be back in another SeaRay as this will be my third SeaRay. And if you read this all the way to here, I want to say that not all brokers are deceiving potential buyers. We met some real nice guys along the way and two have become members of our circle of friends. Now I just have to figure out how to change the boat information in my profile.
     
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  12. doozie

    doozie Member GOLD Sponsor

    399
    Dec 6, 2007
    MIDDLE RIVE MD.
    46 sundancer 2001
    3126B 450hp Cats
    I have a black mesh cover for the windshield area. It covers just the hard glass portion. Pay shipping and it's yours.
    Bob
     
  13. NotHerDecision

    NotHerDecision Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Jun 28, 2016
    Houston, Texas
    2001 Sea Ray 460 Sundancer
    2014 Seadoo 155 LTD
    2105 Seadoo 130 SE
    2013 Mercury Dinghy
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3L
    Welcome 45Gunner. We are passionate about ours and of course here to help in any way possible. Where will you boat?
     
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  14. 401Kation

    401Kation Another blow boater gone to the dark side...

    57
    Oct 11, 2013
    Catawba Island, Oh
    1999 460 SunDancer
    VOLVO Diesels
    Another upgrade done!

    Before and after... 20191108_131430.jpg 20191114_164241.jpg
     
  15. Joint Custody

    Joint Custody Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    298
    Sep 20, 2017
    Lake Powell Utah
    2001 460 Sundancer
    Twin Cummins 6CTA8

    Very nice and very smart.
    If I could find the right piece of land I would love to build that same concept here in Utah.

    Oh I didnt see kegerator on your list.. lol That would be a must have!
     
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  16. 45Gunner

    45Gunner Member

    47
    Sep 22, 2019
    Boynton Beach, FL
    2000 460 Sundancer. Raymarine E120. Raymarine Open Array Radar. Autopilot. Raytheon RN300 GPS.
    Twin 450 Diamond Series 6CTA 8.3M Cummins.
    Our game plan is to spend the winter in South Florida with trips to the keys and the Gulf. Come May, we are cruising to Cape Cod and will spend the summer cruising Cape Cod and the Islands. At the end of the season its another cruise back to our home in South Florida.
     
  17. 401Kation

    401Kation Another blow boater gone to the dark side...

    57
    Oct 11, 2013
    Catawba Island, Oh
    1999 460 SunDancer
    VOLVO Diesels
    Sounds awesome!
     
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  18. All's Well

    All's Well Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    677
    Jan 14, 2010
    Houston
    '12 58 Sundancer
    900 MAN
    Congratulations, the 460 is an awesome boat and at 750 hours you should have a lot of boating ahead of you
     
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  19. Jaws

    Jaws Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    631
    Nov 13, 2007
    Sarnia, Ontario
    460 Sundancer 2002
    Cummins 8.3 6CTA
    All's Well: Nice to see you still keep tabs on us "little" boaters, lol. Hope you're enjoying that lovely 58.
    We just got back from Atlantis and missed you by a week or so (but we weren't there by water). Our friends who were with us had the very same boat as you ('08 55DA) for eight years.
     
  20. 45Gunner

    45Gunner Member

    47
    Sep 22, 2019
    Boynton Beach, FL
    2000 460 Sundancer. Raymarine E120. Raymarine Open Array Radar. Autopilot. Raytheon RN300 GPS.
    Twin 450 Diamond Series 6CTA 8.3M Cummins.
    Thank you. The majority of our boating will be in South Florida. We have rented a dock at a small, private Marina which has diesel fuel and two very popular restaurants at the far end of the fuel dock. The game plan is to head north in May exploring along the way with a destination of Cape Cod and the Islands. So many places to go and things to do in New England. Probably after Labor Day we will turn the boat south again to head home. We do not plan on going fast as we know its all about the journey, not the destination in particular. Of course, at our age, most of our non-boating friends think we are crazy and that is why the transom will be sporting the name "Sea - Nile."
     

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