460 DA Owners Thread

[Joint Custody]

I think that is a great idea. One thing about the 460 is when you really start to look at all the places they could of made storage but didn't. I have felt the same way about that couch and the one in the aft.

For the one in the main salon I think if you could make it so the couch can be manually converted to a bed that would be the best way to go with the added storage under it. " Go look at some RV this weekend" That way it doesn't hurt resale.
Hell you almost have to do it manually now with how the system works.

I would like to take out our aft couch and and make it to a permanent bed with storage under it. The bed would hinge up just like a RV master bed. you could store so much under it. We never convert the aft from bed to couch so for us it would work great and I think for resale if done correctly no one would know there was ever a couch in the aft.
For our boating that lay out would work best and I am pretty sure when it comes time to sell ours it will go to someone that keeps it on our lake and our aft cabins are all about sleeping not lounging.

I bet if you send the idea to our friends up north doing the rebuild of thehttp://www.clubsearay.com/index.php?threads/my-boat-renovation.95256/

They would come up with a hell of an idea.

One more idea too. Have you thought of changing all the chrome to brass... lol

 

[401Kation]

I did the aft cabin with an actual mattress - took the whole couch out. Lot's of additional storage underneath and like others have said, we never put it up as a couch. It is much more comfortable for sleeping now.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a boat without the foldout couch in the main salon. We have a lot of kids and while they are mostly older, they do still come to the boat for a weekend here and there and we need the extra space a few times per summer.

 

[Joint Custody]

I did the aft cabin with an actual mattress - took the whole couch out. Lot's of additional storage underneath and like others have said, we never put it up as a couch. It is much more comfortable for sleeping now.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a boat without the foldout couch in the main salon. We have a lot of kids and while they are mostly older, they do still come to the boat for a weekend here and there and we need the extra space a few times per summer.

Lets see some pictures.

 

[TheWolfTC]

One more idea too. Have you thought of changing all the chrome to brass... lol

Now that is funny!!!!!

What a remodel project on that 87 Sea Ray...to say that that guy is a MASTER carpenter would be an insult. He is truly skilled!!!

I like the idea of looking at RV sofas for ideas...allowing it to manually become a bed is an idea as well....just need the proper hardware for both pieces...another good idea for me to research.

Thanks

 

[Jaws]

Wolf,
We have never used that sofa in the salon as a bed so your idea makes sense. But more storage = more stuff we keep aboard so I have left mine alone. Same for that massive electric cockpit aft sunpad/lounger. Imagine all the stuff you could put inside that? I need to perform a bit of a diet on my boat if you know what I mean after thirteen years of ownership. The other point is how we "improve" our boats. You have done an amazing job and have concentrated on updating rather than renovating so it looks fresh. That is appealing to future buyers but when a boat is "over-improved" it runs the risk of negatively affecting value.
I think you and I are in the same situation. We have maintained and improved our boats to the point there is little left to do. And because we are in freshwater, there is not the constant issues of our coastal friends that would otherwise keep us busy.
I'm putting a stern thruster on over the winter. Why? Because it's a neat project that might have some usefulness and might positively affect eventual resale, but I don't really need it. I know you've done that already. (Maybe we both need new project boats but there's just nothing out there in the current marketplace?)

 

[Jaws]

I think it is a good idea and would not hurt resale. One thing to think about is to make a pedestal type box and have the couch hinge up like on a RV so you reach into the storage space and then be able to drop the sofa to the bed mode manually. When you really start to look around on the 460 lots of places the designers could of made storage space.
I want to take the sofa out of the aft cabin and just put a permanent full size bed with the same type of design under it for storage.
We only use our aft cabin for sleeping so it is always in bed mode.
I think the change would add to our resale not take from it. As I feel when we sell the boat it will stay on Lake Powell and on our lake the aft cabins are used for sleeping not lounging.

Our use of the aft cabin is different since my wife likes it as her "reading room" so the sofa mainly stays as is. When guests come along for a trip then it becomes a bedroom in five minutes. The bed is deployed, moved forward away from the aft bulkhead and the space is stuffed with rolled spreads. Then I put on a memory foam over the whole thing and we have a queen size bed for a couple of weeks.
Everyone has a different use but one of the main reasons we like our 460 over, say the 48 'Dancer, is the openness of our cabin. There are few comparable cruisers that give you that feeling of open space unless you go up to the 540/550.

 

[TheWolfTC]

@Jaws....I like the way you stated this..."The other point is how we "improve" our boats. You have done an amazing job and have concentrated on updating rather than renovating so it looks fresh. That is appealing to future buyers but when a boat is "over-improved" it runs the risk of negatively affecting value."

That probably sums up the decision to not take on this project for the below reason...

"I think you and I are in the same situation. We have maintained and improved our boats to the point there is little left to do. And because we are in freshwater, there is not the constant issues of our coastal friends that would otherwise keep us busy."

Correct...I am bored now and just looking for something to do. Yes, more storage for us would be beneficial as we live on it all summer and I am an anti-clutter freak...if it can be hidden and easily accessed, then that is where it goes...LOL

I have seriously considered selling mine and getting another 460, a couple years newer with the addition of the hardtop and hydraulic platform...then starting the upgrade process all over again to keep me busy. I am also looking at 510's...but there just aren't enough out there...it's a really dry market for our size boats it seems. I was told by a dealer in southern Michigan to call him immediately if I decide to sell....he has buyers desperately looking for a 460. Heck, I can probably sell it without a dealer in all honesty...I know a lot of peeps in the boating world as you do. But I am not selling until I know I can find what I want. A real dilemma! (Afford as well)

Bottom line, I need something to keep me busy...I need projects and since my house is all done, it's the boat...now that the boat is done, I am bored!! With this stupid virus issue killing my travel company all of last year and into this year, it is very depressing. The only thing that keeps my sanity is the boat and the enjoyment it brings during the summer and projects during the winter.

Thanks for all the feedback...I agree, too much over renovating is a detriment. I can always count on CSR to give perspective!

 

[All's Well]

@Jaws....I like the way you stated this..."The other point is how we "improve" our boats. You have done an amazing job and have concentrated on updating rather than renovating so it looks fresh. That is appealing to future buyers but when a boat is "over-improved" it runs the risk of negatively affecting value."

That probably sums up the decision to not take on this project for the below reason...

"I think you and I are in the same situation. We have maintained and improved our boats to the point there is little left to do. And because we are in freshwater, there is not the constant issues of our coastal friends that would otherwise keep us busy."

Correct...I am bored now and just looking for something to do. Yes, more storage for us would be beneficial as we live on it all summer and I am an anti-clutter freak...if it can be hidden and easily accessed, then that is where it goes...LOL

I have seriously considered selling mine and getting another 460, a couple years newer with the addition of the hardtop and hydraulic platform...then starting the upgrade process all over again to keep me busy. I am also looking at 510's...but there just aren't enough out there...it's a really dry market for our size boats it seems. I was told by a dealer in southern Michigan to call him immediately if I decide to sell....he has buyers desperately looking for a 460. Heck, I can probably sell it without a dealer in all honesty...I know a lot of peeps in the boating world as you do. But I am not selling until I know I can find what I want. A real dilemma! (Afford as well)

Bottom line, I need something to keep me busy...I need projects and since my house is all done, it's the boat...now that the boat is done, I am bored!! With this stupid virus issue killing my travel company all of last year and into this year, it is very depressing. The only thing that keeps my sanity is the boat and the enjoyment it brings during the summer and projects during the winter.

Thanks for all the feedback...I agree, too much over renovating is a detriment. I can always count on CSR to give perspective!

You guys are on the right track. I was in the same position as you when I had my 460. It had always been a fresh water boat and was beyond clean. 2003, hard top, hydraulic platform, bow & stern thrusters.
When I finally found a 58 that was in decent shape, I had mine sold to a guy on the same lake that kept the same slip in one weekend. I had 2 others that called that didn't know it was for sale that wanted to buy it if the first deal fell through. I had it for 7 years and sold it for $20k less than I paid for it, private sale no broker fees.
If you know what you want, it's out there and kind of fun to search.

 

[Jaws]

Wolf,
My neighbor's boat has been for sale since the fall. There might be a deal pending, not sure. In the broker's web page his boat is left, mine is on the right. I can check further if you are interested....
https://www.stclairboatsales.com/

 

[Jaws]

You guys are on the right track. I was in the same position as you when I had my 460. It had always been a fresh water boat and was beyond clean. 2003, hard top, hydraulic platform, bow & stern thrusters.
When I finally found a 58 that was in decent shape, I had mine sold to a guy on the same lake that kept the same slip in one weekend. I had 2 others that called that didn't know it was for sale that wanted to buy it if the first deal fell through. I had it for 7 years and sold it for $20k less than I paid for it, private sale no broker fees.
If you know what you want, it's out there and kind of fun to search.

Good words. It seems like we all get there. Some sooner than others.
My neighbor in Algonac MI had one of the first 55 'Dancers (2008), like yours. Great boat and has some features I like better than the 60. Unfortunately he had a lot of "module issues" which I heard were corrected when they re-named it the 58.

 

[Joint Custody]

@Jaws....I like the way you stated this..."The other point is how we "improve" our boats. You have done an amazing job and have concentrated on updating rather than renovating so it looks fresh. That is appealing to future buyers but when a boat is "over-improved" it runs the risk of negatively affecting value."

That probably sums up the decision to not take on this project for the below reason...

"I think you and I are in the same situation. We have maintained and improved our boats to the point there is little left to do. And because we are in freshwater, there is not the constant issues of our coastal friends that would otherwise keep us busy."

Correct...I am bored now and just looking for something to do. Yes, more storage for us would be beneficial as we live on it all summer and I am an anti-clutter freak...if it can be hidden and easily accessed, then that is where it goes...LOL

I have seriously considered selling mine and getting another 460, a couple years newer with the addition of the hardtop and hydraulic platform...then starting the upgrade process all over again to keep me busy. I am also looking at 510's...but there just aren't enough out there...it's a really dry market for our size boats it seems. I was told by a dealer in southern Michigan to call him immediately if I decide to sell....he has buyers desperately looking for a 460. Heck, I can probably sell it without a dealer in all honesty...I know a lot of peeps in the boating world as you do. But I am not selling until I know I can find what I want. A real dilemma! (Afford as well)

Bottom line, I need something to keep me busy...I need projects and since my house is all done, it's the boat...now that the boat is done, I am bored!! With this stupid virus issue killing my travel company all of last year and into this year, it is very depressing. The only thing that keeps my sanity is the boat and the enjoyment it brings during the summer and projects during the winter.

Thanks for all the feedback...I agree, too much over renovating is a detriment. I can always count on CSR to give perspective!

I hear ya on needing to stay busy. I can’t get to the boat for a couple more weeks so started this project.
I never liked the black body on the wave runner. So striped it down and will be painting it silver also replacing all the gunwale moldings. Yes I know crazy!

On our jet boat I did new upholstery, JL Stereo upgrade, new bottom paint, keel guard, new hydro Turf flooring, full tune up even injectors, throttle cable, cut and buffed. All most added a super charger however the cost would of been 3,500.00 the boat is only worth 9k. These jet boats are really hard to find in our area with the super chargers and when you do they are way over priced.
I will post pics of the jet boat when completed. Still have a couple things to do on it.
Here is the wave runner. I hope to get to painting it this weekend.

 

[Josh P]

It's funny that the bed conversation came up. I remember seeing one 460 somewhere that had the mid cabin sofa/bed converted to just a bed with storage underneath. My wife has been looking for it for the past week as we will likely never use the sofa there since it will be our daughter's room.

 

[Joint Custody]

It's funny that the bed conversation came up. I remember seeing one 460 somewhere that had the mid cabin sofa/bed converted to just a bed with storage underneath. My wife has been looking for it for the past week as we will likely never use the sofa there since it will be our daughter's room.

It was on yacht world.

 

[All's Well]

Good words. It seems like we all get there. Some sooner than others.
My neighbor in Algonac MI had one of the first 55 'Dancers (2008), like yours. Great boat and has some features I like better than the 60. Unfortunately he had a lot of "module issues" which I heard were corrected when they re-named it the 58.

Yes, I had some sound advice to steer clear of all the e-plex boats. Great idea but failed in actual performance.
And so far, I have been very impressed with the MAN power as has been discussed many times within CSR. We were really after a mid master with a walk around bed as we look forward to using the boat at increased ages.

 

[Scott Williams]

@Jaws....I like the way you stated this..."The other point is how we "improve" our boats. You have done an amazing job and have concentrated on updating rather than renovating so it looks fresh. That is appealing to future buyers but when a boat is "over-improved" it runs the risk of negatively affecting value."

That probably sums up the decision to not take on this project for the below reason...

"I think you and I are in the same situation. We have maintained and improved our boats to the point there is little left to do. And because we are in freshwater, there is not the constant issues of our coastal friends that would otherwise keep us busy."

Correct...I am bored now and just looking for something to do. Yes, more storage for us would be beneficial as we live on it all summer and I am an anti-clutter freak...if it can be hidden and easily accessed, then that is where it goes...LOL

I have seriously considered selling mine and getting another 460, a couple years newer with the addition of the hardtop and hydraulic platform...then starting the upgrade process all over again to keep me busy. I am also looking at 510's...but there just aren't enough out there...it's a really dry market for our size boats it seems. I was told by a dealer in southern Michigan to call him immediately if I decide to sell....he has buyers desperately looking for a 460. Heck, I can probably sell it without a dealer in all honesty...I know a lot of peeps in the boating world as you do. But I am not selling until I know I can find what I want. A real dilemma! (Afford as well)

Bottom line, I need something to keep me busy...I need projects and since my house is all done, it's the boat...now that the boat is done, I am bored!! With this stupid virus issue killing my travel company all of last year and into this year, it is very depressing. The only thing that keeps my sanity is the boat and the enjoyment it brings during the summer and projects during the winter.

Thanks for all the feedback...I agree, too much over renovating is a detriment. I can always count on CSR to give perspective!

I have a great idea....how about you spend a week or so in Nashville, I've got a ton of projects in process on mine that you could help me with Bill!

 

[Josh P]

Has anyone without a hardtop ever converted to one? Is that even possible?

 

[techmitch]

Has anyone without a hardtop ever converted to one? Is that even possible?

@Riptide III over on the 410 thread is doing a custom DYI and there's another member on the 380 thread doing one DYI also. The job seems to be quite a project so if your not going to do it yourself expect to be deep in your pocket.

 

[Josh P]

@Riptide III over on the 410 thread is doing a custom DYI and there's another member on the 380 thread doing one DYI also. The job seems to be quite a project so if your not going to do it yourself expect to be deep in your pocket.

Thanks for the reply. I'm more of a buy parts and bolt on than a crafty artist. I guess the next boat will have a hardtop. LOL

 

[Scott Williams]

Good morning all--does anyone recommend a replacement freshwater pump for the Shurflo 2088-433-344 I have in the boat? I can't find these and one of mine is bad; figured I would replace both and keep the working one as a backup. Also looking for the entire grey water sump box part number 939892 or at least the cover (part number 791475)

 

[ocgrant]

Helping my buddy take all his upper deck upholstery out since he is having it all re-done. Question the side panels above the sink on the port side in with just christmas trees or are there bolts involved. Also the small piece on the port side where the A/C controls are mounted screws or christmas trees? Any help appreciated before I tackle this tomorrow.