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General question here. The cherry color on my interior coffee table seems to be fading. Turning grey in some areas, like when someone leaves a glass on a piece of furniture and the condensation turns the wood grey. Any ideas on how to restore the color?
 
General question here. The cherry color on my interior coffee table seems to be fading. Turning grey in some areas, like when someone leaves a glass on a piece of furniture and the condensation turns the wood grey. Any ideas on how to restore the color?
We have the same problem .... you're not going to like the answer! I looked into it last winter - the tables were made by a company in Florida (don't have it in front of me but the name is on a tag under the mount) and finished with epoxy resin. In 2004, at Sea Ray's direction they changed resin suppliers and there was a problem where the finish went cloudy (looks like moisture), these were replaced under warranty ... except for those that weren't! When I called, they were very helpful and provided the stain mix and recommended sources for good quality epoxy resin but they didn't have license to ship the materials. The stain supplier sells in bulk and I couldn't find a source of the individual colors needed. The expoxy resin is a bigger problem, it is very difficult to get off and I couldn't find anyone who uses it commercially that I could (try) and convince to spray it for me. Subsequently, its is sitting in the garage!

I did have a local paint shop do a custom mix of the stain and I've considered just a high gloss varnish ... maybe a winter project. I like the interior to look like it all goes ...

If you find a solution, pls let me know!
 
That is what I do and it is very accurate. I put back in what my Diesel View says has been burned.

Bennett
full mechanicals here so it would be an educated guess based on distant and speed.
 
Here's a few datapoints for mine:
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I will be on the boat for a couple weeks starting this Saturday and plan to record a few more throttle/RPM settings. Will report back shortly!

Ok, here are a whole bunch more numbers. 75% fuel, full water, four people on board, provisions for 2 weeks, and lots of "stuff".

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Not sure about that 550RPM data point.

I took a bunch of readings under 1100 RPM, every 20 RPM between 700 and 1020. There is some noise in there, with variations due to wind, wakes, gauge accuracy/precision, etc. There was a bit of current here and there, but I don't think it affected much. Still shows a pretty good trend.

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It's interesting... there is some vibration between 900 and 1000RPM, and the fuel consumption does show to be a little higher in that range.

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There is a definite drop-off in economy around 1050 RPM, which for me is around 9MPH.

Also, if you're going to go over 1700RPM (~14MPH, right where I also usually use full tabs), you may as well let 'er rip from a fuel perspective. I cruise at ~80% load when I'm in a hurry, but you can do any speed you want as it is very linear...as long as you only want to go 200 miles!

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Could go pretty far at 600RPM / 6MPH!
 
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Very interesting Brian, thanks for sharing. While we have different engines, I'm not getting anywhere close to the same performance. I can't measure fuel burn but just looking at RPM and Speed ... mine is slower at the higher RPMs ! I just purchased a laser tach and plan to validate what the tachs are reading to know if I'm propped correctly. Do you know what yours are? Heading to Kingston tomorrow ... will do a similar table to see how closely I line up.
 
Have done some experimenting with trawler speeds lately and found the sweet spot for us is right around 1200 rpms, which seems to be 1150rpm or so looking at your graph above. Granted it takes us twice as long but we burn a little less than 1/2 the fuel. We recently completed a 320 mile round trip on about 1 tank of fuel. 4 days spent at marinas and 10 days on the hook.
 
Ok, here are a whole bunch more numbers. 75% fuel, full water, four people on board, provisions for 2 weeks, and lots of "stuff".

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Not sure about that 550RPM data point.

I took a bunch of readings under 1100 RPM, every 20 RPM between 700 and 1020. There is some noise in there, with variations due to wind, wakes, gauge accuracy/precision, etc. There was a bit of current here and there, but I don't think it affected much. Still shows a pretty good trend.

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It's interesting... there is some vibration between 900 and 1000RPM, and the fuel consumption does show to be a little higher in that range.

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There is a definite drop-off in economy around 1050 RPM, which for me is around 9MPH.

Also, if you're going to go over 1700RPM (~14MPH, right where I also usually use full tabs), you may as well let 'er rip from a fuel perspective. I cruise at ~80% load when I'm in a hurry, but you can do any speed you want as it is very linear...as long as you only want to go 200 miles!

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Could go pretty far at 600RPM / 6MPH!

Great post Sir! Interestingly, my 900 HP MANs in my 58 are almost identical numbers (in kts rather than MPH) to yours from 600 - 800 RPM, and I'm about a kt faster between 800 - 1000.

Edit - on the 58, at 1600 and above, she is a .4 MPG boat, she just goes faster. at 2000 RPM, 80% load, 24-27 kts, 64 GPH depending on weight.

Sorry - didn't mean to pollute your thread with non- 42-44 stuff!
 
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Hey Guys, one of the kids grabbed onto one of the light fixtures in the guest cabin and the base ripped off of the wall.The fixture is intact but it has a cheap white plastic base. This is the same light as the forward berth. I don't have a picture at the moment and i tried searching on searay-parts.com with no luck. Is anyone familiar with sourcing parts for these fixtures?
 
I knocked one off the wall over the v berth earlier this year with a pillow. I simply turned the plate 90 degrees and drilled two new holes in it. I figured finding a direct replacement would be near impossible.
 
I knocked one off the wall over the v berth earlier this year with a pillow. I simply turned the plate 90 degrees and drilled two new holes in it. I figured finding a direct replacement would be near impossible.
Didn't think of doing that. Great idea. I don't recall if there is much plastic left to mount to the wall as it sort of came of in chunks but maybe i can reuse whats left.
 
Didn't think of doing that. Great idea. I don't recall if there is much plastic left to mount to the wall as it sort of came of in chunks but maybe i can reuse whats left.
Cyanoacrylate glue! (Crazy glue) - best stuff ever! I get good quality from Lee Valley. If you have the chunks, might be a way of making it whole again.
 
Hey Guys, one of the kids grabbed onto one of the light fixtures in the guest cabin and the base ripped off of the wall.The fixture is intact but it has a cheap white plastic base. This is the same light as the forward berth. I don't have a picture at the moment and i tried searching on searay-parts.com with no luck. Is anyone familiar with sourcing parts for these fixtures?


if these are the lights you're referring to you can find the correct part for your boat here:

https://www.searay.com/page.aspx/pageid/162289/Owners-Resources.aspx#Resources
 

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I’m about to replace the toilet line that runs between the toilets and vacuum pump - it appears virtually inaccessible and is held in place with many of P Clips...

Has anyone had experience with this? Would love to hear from you
 
I’m about to replace the toilet line that runs between the toilets and vacuum pump - it appears virtually inaccessible and is held in place with many of P Clips...

Has anyone had experience with this? Would love to hear from you

Hey AEO,
I had all the sanitation lines replaced on my boat after last season. From the toilets to the vacuum generators, vacuum generators to the holding tank, etc. My marina did it. Some disassembly required! The biggest question mark was where they run under the engines. They are in conduits. Sea Ray was able to send me all the drawings...amazing manufacturer!

In the cabin, the undersink cabinets in each head were removed, toilets removed, washer/dryer removed, some access panels in the galley removed.

In the engine room, all batteries removed, both main engine exhaust pipes removed, generator exhaust removed.

Total was about 40 hours of labor, I believe.

Use the best hose you can buy. I used Shields Poly-X Premium.

This was somewhat preventative, with only faint hints of odor leaching occurring using the wet cloth method. That said, the overall smell inside the boat, especially when closed-up for while, and especially in compartments and below the floor is substantially improved.

Brian
 
Hey AEO,
I had all the sanitation lines replaced on my boat after last season. From the toilets to the vacuum generators, vacuum generators to the holding tank, etc. My marina did it. Some disassembly required! The biggest question mark was where they run under the engines. They are in conduits. Sea Ray was able to send me all the drawings...amazing manufacturer!

In the cabin, the undersink cabinets in each head were removed, toilets removed, washer/dryer removed, some access panels in the galley removed.

In the engine room, all batteries removed, both main engine exhaust pipes removed, generator exhaust removed.

Total was about 40 hours of labor, I believe.

Use the best hose you can buy. I used Shields Poly-X Premium.

This was somewhat preventative, with only faint hints of odor leaching occurring using the wet cloth method. That said, the overall smell inside the boat, especially when closed-up for while, and especially in compartments and below the floor is substantially improved.

Brian
Hi Brian, many thanks for all the details. I didn’t realize you had to remove all those items... even the cabinets and washing machine! Do you still have those drawings from Searay? And if you do, would you be willing to share them?

I’ll be definitely taking your advice on the pipe material.

Bevin.
 
Hey AEO,
I had all the sanitation lines replaced on my boat after last season. From the toilets to the vacuum generators, vacuum generators to the holding tank, etc. My marina did it. Some disassembly required! The biggest question mark was where they run under the engines. They are in conduits. Sea Ray was able to send me all the drawings...amazing manufacturer!

In the cabin, the undersink cabinets in each head were removed, toilets removed, washer/dryer removed, some access panels in the galley removed.

In the engine room, all batteries removed, both main engine exhaust pipes removed, generator exhaust removed.

Total was about 40 hours of labor, I believe.

Use the best hose you can buy. I used Shields Poly-X Premium.

This was somewhat preventative, with only faint hints of odor leaching occurring using the wet cloth method. That said, the overall smell inside the boat, especially when closed-up for while, and especially in compartments and below the floor is substantially improved.

Brian
Hey Brian, one more thing. when you said the smell has substantially improved, are you saying it’s still there? I’m in the same situation as you. It’s mostly preventative as there is a smell but no leaks. If it still smells after replacing, even just a little, I may try sanitizing first.

But if the smell has all but disappeared then replacement it is! Thanks.
 
You might give Norflex Digestor a 3-month chance if you have not already tried it. I had no smell and continue to be smell free. Hoses show some cracks, but no leaks and no smells. Every weekend as I am leaving the boat, I put a small amount down each head with minimal water. This allows the powder to settle in the hoses and do its thing.

Just a suggestion....

Bennett
 
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Hey Brian, one more thing. when you said the smell has substantially improved, are you saying it’s still there? I’m in the same situation as you. It’s mostly preventative as there is a smell but no leaks. If it still smells after replacing, even just a little, I may try sanitizing first.

But if the smell has all but disappeared then replacement it is! Thanks.

Sorry for the confusion, yes the smell is gone. Areas where it lingered a bit were in the small storage area in front of the cabinet under the seat in the guest room, and under the port side bed. Like you suggested, cleaning with some disinfectant did the trick.

Before replacing them, I would have hesitated to store bedding or towels in those compartments, but no problem now.

What I meant by "improved" is there wasn't much smell overall to begin with, but I even notice the entire space smells fresher.
 

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