420/44 DB Owners Club

Discussion in 'Sport Yachts/Yachts' started by Alex F, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    Thats all great news. Sounds like you found a good previous owner.
     
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  2. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    Valve lash adjustment should be done around 600 hours. So if it hasn't been done, do it when you take ownership. Its not very expensive because the labor time is short. A few bolts are removed to take off the valve covers. Then about 30 seconds on each cylinder with a gap tool, then tighten valve covers back down. When I had it done the Cummins mechanic did not replace the valve cover gasket. I think my total cost for his time was in the $200 range. He also told me once you do the 600 hour lash adjustment, that it pretty much stays good from then on. Your mechanic may have a different opinion on that, so check that with them.

    Cooling system cleaning is a time thing for me. I do it every 2 years regardless of hours. Actually I have found the more I use the boat, the less crud builds up in cooling tubes in the two years. On each engine you have a gear oil cooler, an after cooler, a fuel cooler, and a heat exchanger to check and clean each time, and an impeller to change. Its pretty easy to do yourself if you want to, just takes the mindset to go through it one step at a time.
     
  3. JoAna

    JoAna Member

    79
    Feb 10, 2018
    San Diego, CA
    2005 420DB
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3 450HP
    I'm hoping the boat to run closer to 2700 rpm due to only 25% of fuel and the boat would appear to be light. There will be 6 adults on board. I would prefer the boat to be 5% underpropped. Will advise after Wednesday.
     
  4. JoAna

    JoAna Member

    79
    Feb 10, 2018
    San Diego, CA
    2005 420DB
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3 450HP

    If you were to hire this out, what would be the expected costs?
     
  5. Jaybeaux

    Jaybeaux Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    189
    Jan 3, 2016
    Upper Potomac River
    420 Sundancer 2004
    Naught On Call
    Cummins 6CTA-8.3's with V-Drives
    9KW Onan Genset
    Ok, now I see a problem: 50 hours per year is not enough time spent on your boat!

    Re: valve adjustments/valve lash: Is that an 800 hour service or 1000 hour service?
     
  6. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    Some who hire it out have reported big labor dollars for this (well, big for me). Hopefully some of them will see this and post their experiences.
     
  7. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    Valve lash adjustment is recommended every 500 hours by Cummins.
     
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  8. Jaybeaux

    Jaybeaux Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    189
    Jan 3, 2016
    Upper Potomac River
    420 Sundancer 2004
    Naught On Call
    Cummins 6CTA-8.3's with V-Drives
    9KW Onan Genset
    Rydlyme cleaning of raw water system was $115 parts, $400 labor in 2016.

    Aftercooler work (after I back out the $3,400 for new AC) was approximately $1,200 in 2016.
     
  9. JoAna

    JoAna Member

    79
    Feb 10, 2018
    San Diego, CA
    2005 420DB
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3 450HP
    Shouldn't the salt water pump and impeller be done too? Also, is the gear oil cooler the same thing as the transmission cooler?
     
  10. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    Yes on the impeller. I modified my post to include that in the two year maintenance. The pump should last 10 years or so, especially if you get the SMX pump sbmar.com sells (that's what I replaced mine with). Yes, the gear oil cooler is the transmision oil cooler.
     
  11. JoAna

    JoAna Member

    79
    Feb 10, 2018
    San Diego, CA
    2005 420DB
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3 450HP
    Is there any way to know know much weight the bow can carry ie tender/outboard?
     
  12. JoAna

    JoAna Member

    79
    Feb 10, 2018
    San Diego, CA
    2005 420DB
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3 450HP
    Thanks, I'm noting everything you've suggested. What would be your maintenance schedule for the gen set? We have an Onan 9kw with 1400 hours.
     
  13. Carpediem44DB

    Carpediem44DB Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    201
    Aug 18, 2015
    Sanfransico Bay area
    2006 44 DB Sedan Bridge Raymarine E120 radar chart plotter GPS autopilot
    cummins QSC 8.3 500 HD
    Happy to see another 420/44 owner out west! Hope all goes well with your survey. It sounds like the PO took care of the boat and didn’t scripm on service and maintenance.
    Keep us posted
    Carpe Diem
     
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  14. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    I have a Westerbeake. I change the oil and filter once a year, change the impeller once a year, change the small inline fuel filter on the engine every 300 hours, and change the coolant every 500 hours. I also annually take the end caps off of the heat exchanger and inspect and clean the cooling tubes. I use my generator enough that I have yet to find anything in there to clean out.

    You also have zincs on the engines and generator to keep track of. On the main engines there are three zincs. Two on the aftercooler and one on the heat exchanger. The heat exchanger and top aftercooler zincs will last quite a while (maybe a year). The zinc at the bottom of the aftercooler goes fast. Check it monthly.

    I have a maintenance schedule I maintain for the Cummins 6CTA engines. If you'd like a copy just message me your email address.
     
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  15. JoAna

    JoAna Member

    79
    Feb 10, 2018
    San Diego, CA
    2005 420DB
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3 450HP
    zz13, got your maintenance schedule - thank you very very much it's going to be really useful. Our sea trial went well today. Overall a properly maintained boat, according to the mech. surveyor and systems surveyor. Needs a few things but I"m sure we can work those out with the seller (nothing that'll kill the deal) although we are still waiting for the oil samples).

    In the meantime, I'd like to ask if there's a way to order the galley sink cover that'll match the countertop. Does Sea Ray sell them based on hull id numbers so they'll match? Also would like to find the ottomans that tuck under the salon table (hopefully I can find those to match the settee leather fabric). Lastly, the flybridge filler cushion is missing so I need to find one of those too. If anyone knows who at Sea Ray I can contact on ordering these items or better yet if someone isn't using theirs I can buy theirs. Let me know !
     
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  16. bajturner

    bajturner Member GOLD Sponsor

    503
    Aug 17, 2010
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2008 44 Sedan Bridge, Avon 380DL RIB w/ Yamaha 40, Highfield CL290 RIB w/ Tohatsu 9.8
    Twin QSC-500 HO
    Ok, I have read though this thread completely, I think, and also the QSC-500 thread, looking for information about changing the fuel filters/separators, but I don't have solid understanding on one part.

    My understanding is the primary Racor's need to be topped-up with diesel, and I am clear on how to do this. I am not clear about the secondary, engine-mounted spin-ons. Some instructions are to fill them up, others are to install and prime by cycling the ignition on and off to make sure contaminated fuel doesn't get by the filtration.

    After buying this boat last fall, I had the marina in Plymouth, MA do quite a bit of preventative maintenance, including all new filters, but I am still new to diesels, and this boat in general. I have read all the documentation I can find, but I haven't found clear direction on this.

    Can anyone help?

    Thank you!
     
  17. swaterhouse

    swaterhouse Member GOLD Sponsor

    308
    Jan 7, 2015
    Mattapoisett, MA
    2007 Sundancer 44
    Cummins QSC 8.3
    Although I have a 44DA I do have the same engines you have.

    The primary Racors get topped up with fuel.

    The on engine secondary filter should go in dry (but you should lube the gasket with a bit of clean fuel for a better seal). Once that is on you cycle the start switch on (but don't crank) for 20-30 seconds (you can hear the pump run during this time then shut off), then shut off for 5-10 seconds and repeat 10-15 times. If you change both filters at the same time, you probably need to cycle more like 15-20 times.

    The reason it goes in dry is because you don't want to risk getting dirty fuel in the fuel rails. By priming this way you filter every bit of fuel.
     
  18. Johnny1954

    Johnny1954 New Member GOLD Sponsor

    29
    Jan 15, 2017
    Great Lakes
    2005 Sea Ray 420 Sedan Bridge
    Twin Cummins 480 CE
    Hey all,

    Some say that the two happiest days of a boat owner are the day they buy their boat and the day they sell it. I can confirm the first, but not necessarily the second. After over 30 years of boating, we have decided to sell our 2005 Sea Ray 420 Sedan Bridge. We closed on the transaction on Friday.

    I became a member of this site and this thread last year, and found it to be extremely helpful. I am not very mechanically inclined, but tried to help others as best as I could. But despite my best efforts, it seems I always got more and better advice from all of you than I was ever able to provide to all of you.

    So, I just wanted to leave active participation by taking a moment to thank all of you for being so engaged and helpful. I especially would like to thank Alex and Carpediem for specific counsel they provided me.

    We are a little melancholy but with nine grandchildren to spoil, we have just run out of time. Mary and I wish you all great weather, great water, and great relaxation and much enjoyment in all your future travels.
     
  19. JoAna

    JoAna Member

    79
    Feb 10, 2018
    San Diego, CA
    2005 420DB
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3 450HP
    Our Cummins 6cta 450 diamond engine has a max rpm 2600. There should be a formula that suggests max rpm for cruising. it's been suggested to me that I should just subtract 10% from max rpm of 2600 for a max cruise of 2340??
     
  20. Carpediem44DB

    Carpediem44DB Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    201
    Aug 18, 2015
    Sanfransico Bay area
    2006 44 DB Sedan Bridge Raymarine E120 radar chart plotter GPS autopilot
    cummins QSC 8.3 500 HD
    Johnny, hate to see you go! I totally appreciate the concept of knowing when to get out, these yachts are just too complex and expensive to sit and be seldom used. I wish you and your wife years of happiness spoiling the grand kids, you only have so long to do that, you can always get back into a boat.
    Cheers
    Carpe diem
     

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