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The water fill is on the Port side about midway. I was running with only 3/4 or so water in the tank.

I have been in close to the water fill as I just put the watermaker in. I have seen no evidence of leakage from there.
 
Bruce SEA 993 said:
The water fill is on the Port side about midway. I was running with only 3/4 or so water in the tank.

I have been in close to the water fill as I just put the watermaker in. I have seen no evidence of leakage from there.
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Do you have bridge a/c how is the water line routed to it if so.
 
I don't have bridge A/C. I would love to find a dumb simple answer so I love your questions. Taking all the rub strips and all off does not sound like fun!
 
Bruce SEA 993 said:
I don't have bridge A/C. I would love to find a dumb simple answer so I love your questions. Taking all the rub strips and all off does not sound like fun!
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It's definitely not a fun and time consuming project. I'd collect a bit more data to confirm the theory that it's the culprit here.

For example:
1. Are you getting water while underway?
1.1 At slow (trawling) speed?
1.2 Cruising on plane?
2. Are you getting water during pouring rain?
3. Are you 100% sure that your plumbing is leak free?
4. Did you check all external components installation like underwater lights, trim tabs, lift, anything else?

In my case a contributor happened to be a dumb ass shop (have no idea who did the job before I owned the boat), they replaced underwater lights without ANY sealant. My jaw dropped when I took them off.

5. Overflow of condensation water from ACs drain pans?

As the boat ages, the sealant is starting to go. There are just way too many variables, including railing bolts, cleats, etc.
 
Thanks Alex...great questions!

Answer for question 1...1.2:
Definitely getting water in the bilge "gutters" when cruising at planning speed. By gutters, I mean the visible areas off to the sides of the main walkway when you pop the cockpit hatch. When I open the hole that Mark drilled in the center section, there is water in there as well.

Answer for 2:
I get water in 2 places in heavy rain.
The first place is behind the Starboard Couch aft backrest cushion. The only thing I can think this is from is the joint in the radar arch.

Number 3:
I get no cycling of the water pump so I am reasonable sure it is not plumbing supply lines.

Number 4:
I do not have underwater lights but...I have not checked other items below the water line.

Number 5"
A/C Condensation pans....that is a little new to me as far as how to check. Would love to know more.

Thanks!!
 
Chased water coming in to the bilge for years until this past season. After having to put check valves in the drain lines for the cockpit hatch I realized that the water was coming in past the drain line for the bilge pumps while at cruise. May not be your smoking gun for all your water issues but something to check. I confirmed this by putting a hose to the exterior of the outlet.
 
Bruce SEA 993 said:
Thanks Alex...great questions!

Answer for question 1...1.2:
Definitely getting water in the bilge "gutters" when cruising at planning speed. By gutters, I mean the visible areas off to the sides of the main walkway when you pop the cockpit hatch. When I open the hole that Mark drilled in the center section, there is water in there as well.

Answer for 2:
I get water in 2 places in heavy rain.
The first place is behind the Starboard Couch aft backrest cushion. The only thing I can think this is from is the joint in the radar arch.

Number 3:
I get no cycling of the water pump so I am reasonable sure it is not plumbing supply lines.

Number 4:
I do not have underwater lights but...I have not checked other items below the water line.

Number 5"
A/C Condensation pans....that is a little new to me as far as how to check. Would love to know more.

Thanks!!
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Under each of your ACs, there is a pan to catch condensate. It has a hole and a hose that typically runs to the shower sump to drain the condensate off. The hose and the pan will get some funky growth and will stop up the hose. The pan then runs over. I never experienced this on our '07 44DB, but have on the 420DA. I took the lines loose at the sump box and sucked them out with a shop vac. All kinds of gunk came out and end of problem. These boats are notorious for water ingress. My main issue was in the master shower mixing valve. One of the female fittings had a drip. In fact in time, several of the female fittings developed drips/super small leaks.

I have a couple of drawings/prints that SR sent me some years ago to assist with tracking down leaks. This was a known issue. If anyone would like them, drop me an email address and I will get them to you. They are too large to post.

Bennett
 
Irie308 said:
Chased water coming in to the bilge for years until this past season. After having to put check valves in the drain lines for the cockpit hatch I realized that the water was coming in past the drain line for the bilge pumps while at cruise. May not be your smoking gun for all your water issues but something to check. I confirmed this by putting a hose to the exterior of the outlet.
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Hi Erie, Thanks for this info!

So reading this through, you put the check valves on the cockpit drains and that was not it. Then you put a hose on the outlet of the bilge pump hose and found water coming in.

That makes sense as any water getting in the outlet of the bilge pump hose will be running downhill to the bilge pump.

Cheers!
 
Bennett, I will get in the A/C pans and see what is up.

I had a hose pop off in the guest shower. Turns out the PO used the wrong fitting and used red Rescue to build up the barbs so it was at the right diameter for the ID of the hose. That tape also made the hose slip right off. It was a gusher however. I have checked the manifold for leaks. Nothing. No drooling. The center bilge area is dusty dry.

I'll PM you my email for the docs that SR sent you.

Edit:

Guess PM is not a thing on this Forum.

brucegailromero@comcast.net

Cheers!
 
Bruce SEA 993 said:
Hi Erie, Thanks for this info!

So reading this through, you put the check valves on the cockpit drains and that was not it. Then you put a hose on the outlet of the bilge pump hose and found water coming in.

That makes sense as any water getting in the outlet of the bilge pump hose will be running downhill to the bilge pump.

Cheers!
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Yes, the rear bilge pumps had check valves however they were not sealing properly. I replaced and bilge is bone dry now.
 
Irie308 said:
Yes, the rear bilge pumps had check valves however they were not sealing properly. I replaced and bilge is bone dry now.
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Are the check valves integral to the bilge pump or a separate valve in the discharge tubing?

Thanks!
 
Bruce SEA 993 said:
Thanks Alex...great questions!

Answer for question 1...1.2:
Definitely getting water in the bilge "gutters" when cruising at planning speed. By gutters, I mean the visible areas off to the sides of the main walkway when you pop the cockpit hatch....
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Any water collecting in the aft, from transmissions aft words, is coming back via connecting holes between different compartments. For example, if you have leaky rudder, the water will work its way down to the compartment by the tranies and down to what you called the "gutters". The same goes for leaky HWH, the water will be making its way via tranies compartment to the bilge.

Bruce SEA 993 said:
...When I open the hole that Mark drilled in the center section, there is water in there as well...
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If you're referring to the sub-floor, that's the lowest point which will collect any possible water in the bilge.

Bruce SEA 993 said:
...Answer for 2:
I get water in 2 places in heavy rain.
The first place is behind the Starboard Couch aft backrest cushion. The only thing I can think this is from is the joint in the radar arch...
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The joint is easily checked by opening the side panels on the bridge. If there was any water, you should be able to see any traces.
 
I discovered water trickling down the bilge starboard quarter wall, behind the hot water tank, several years ago. I suspected a gap in the hull to deck joint. When we pulled for the season I had the yard remove about 6 feet of the rub rail and reseal the joint. Problem solved. I did notice at cruise the stainless exhaust ring sends high velocity water spray up to that section of rail. Without that I might never have detected the small void behind the rub rail.
 
I think that is an issue on my boat. I could see it running down the wall behind the hot water tank as well.

Do you know if the yard scraped out all of the old caulk or did they fill in around the existing?

Thanks!
 
Bruce SEA 993 said:
I think that is an issue on my boat. I could see it running down the wall behind the hot water tank as well.

Do you know if the yard scraped out all of the old caulk or did they fill in around the existing?

Thanks!
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The joint compound is pretty hard but they cleaned out some before resealing it and reattached the metal rub rail.
 
I'm having a hard time finding a source for anchor roller. Did anyone replace theirs and have a good source to share?
 
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