420/44 DB Owners Club

Discussion in 'Sport Yachts/Yachts' started by Alex F, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. Bruce SEA 993

    Bruce SEA 993 Well-Known Member

    373
    Aug 17, 2016
    La Conner, WA
    Queen of Hearts
    2007 Sea Ray 44 Sedan Bridge
    (LG111) Apex RIB 25 HP
    Past: 2000 Sea Ray 380
    Cummins QSC500s
    Holly crap.....5 batteries just on the port side? Are you planning to anchor for a week without running the genny........LOL?

    I added 1 extra (total of 3 on the port side) and never had a problem in the last 7-9 years.....and I "live" on the hook.


    I added one more battery and I did not get much improvement. I run the generator in the morning and the 300W ( yeah, right...a lot less output than that) solar panels. Still do not have full enough charge. I still have to run the generator in the evening.

    There are 3 fridges...the main fridge, a deep freezer and the beverage fridge in the cockpit. We are careful with our usage and have LED on all the lights.

    I will keep working on it till we get it right!
     
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  2. AEO

    AEO Active Member

    391
    Feb 6, 2019
    2008 44DB
    GHS Swim Platform
    2018 AB w 15hp Merc
    Cummins QSC500’s
    Afraid the writing is ineligible. But I suspect your right, it’s an after market addition. It appears to tie one of the thruster battery’s to the generator.
     
  3. Tomco

    Tomco Active Member

    441
    Aug 16, 2012
    Ottawa, Ontario
    2004 420 Sedan Bridge
    GHS Hydraulic Lift
    11' Walker Bay, 30hp
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3M
    We have 350W of solar and had a similar issue last season. The batteries are the heart of the system and ours (3 on the house side) just weren't up to the job. Changed to 3 Rolls AGM batteries this season and have seen a significant improvement on how they hold up overnight. We just have the cockpit and galley fridge and don't drop below 12.6v overnight, the solar gets just about back to fully charged (0Ahrs used) by late afternoon. We've gone 3 days at anchor without needing to start the generator ... could have been longer.

    When I was researching batteries, the number of cycles (to 50% or 80% discharge) is significantly different between manufacturers. The Rolls aren't cheap but I get more cycles (like around 700) to 80% discharge than most other batteries provide to 50% discharge, which gives me comfort if we are heavily reliant on them.

    All that to say, you might need a battery upgrade to see the difference with your solar.
     
  4. Tomco

    Tomco Active Member

    441
    Aug 16, 2012
    Ottawa, Ontario
    2004 420 Sedan Bridge
    GHS Hydraulic Lift
    11' Walker Bay, 30hp
    Cummins 6CTA 8.3M
    Well, that's an interesting approach for separating off the generator from the house side.
     
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  5. AEO

    AEO Active Member

    391
    Feb 6, 2019
    2008 44DB
    GHS Swim Platform
    2018 AB w 15hp Merc
    Cummins QSC500’s
    It’s a great get out of jail card for a bad day.
     
  6. Irie308

    Irie308 Well-Known Member

    May 28, 2013
    CT
    2004 420 DB, GHS Hydraulic Lift
    Garmin 8600/Garmin 1222 plus
    AB Mares 10 VSX with 30 hp Tohatsu
    Cummins 450C 8.3 L Turbocharged
    Since I've been taking a closer look at the over board discharge for the bilges, I can see that some will need some recaulking. While I'm at it I will swap out for the stainless option. Does anyone know the size of fittings needed?
     
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  7. saopm

    saopm Active Member

    854
    Oct 6, 2010
    North Fork - Long Island, NY
    2005 420 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450
    I’m looking into the Actisense EMU-1 to convert the analog gauge signals to NMEA2000. Is says the Port and Starboard hast to share a grounding system to get both tach signals to work. Does anyone know if port and starboard share a common ground, or are they isolated?

    https://actisense.com/products/emu-1-nmea-2000-engine-data/
     
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  8. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    The grounds throughout the boat are common.
     
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  9. AEO

    AEO Active Member

    391
    Feb 6, 2019
    2008 44DB
    GHS Swim Platform
    2018 AB w 15hp Merc
    Cummins QSC500’s
    apologies for the late reply. I fitted one of these.

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  10. NorCalRobert

    NorCalRobert Active Member

    286
    Mar 22, 2021
    Northern California
    2007 44 Sedan Bridge
    2022 Zodiac Yachtline 360
    2020 Waverunner FX SVHO
    2020 Waverunner FX
    QSC-500
    Thanks, I would have cut the line, this is better
     
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  11. Alex F

    Alex F Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 14, 2006
    Miami / Ft Lauderdale
    2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Electronics (2x12" MFDs) with Vesper AIS
    Cummins 450Cs, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
    Everyone have different style of using their equipment, but it's important to understand that your expectations are in line what it can deliver. I've never considered solar, as it delivers very little juice and you need quite a bit of time to get any decent charging power out of it.

    My approach is simple. On a regular NE summer day I run my genny couple hours in the morning while showering, having breakfast, etc. Then 3-4 hrs in the evening, while cooking (if we have dinner aboard) or just entertaining, including TVs and/or audio system. This is a natural flow of our usage of the "house". I only have two fridges (the main in the galley and the cockpit), but I had original lights, which drew good 15-20amps, for many years. With 2 batteries, this failed only after 4-5 days on the hook. After adding 1 extra battery to the house bank, the problem never resurfaced in the last 7-8 years, maybe longer. After converting all the lights to LEDs, couple of years ago, I don't even think about the load.

    I recommend taking a log of your charging time and the load during the usage time. Something doesn't seem to add up. You should not need 5 batteries on the house bank, unless you have excessive load.
     
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  12. Garymarel1

    Garymarel1 New Member

    2
    Aug 29, 2016
    New york
    2004 420 sedan bridge
    6cta 8.3 cummins
    I have a whine on my port main did you find a reason why?
     
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  13. AEO

    AEO Active Member

    391
    Feb 6, 2019
    2008 44DB
    GHS Swim Platform
    2018 AB w 15hp Merc
    Cummins QSC500’s
    In my quest to reduce the amount of paper being flushed into my vacuflush system, I was thinking of installing two of these TOTO Washlets. Does anyone have any views on the positives and/or negatives, or if they can be installed at all..


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  14. Bruce SEA 993

    Bruce SEA 993 Well-Known Member

    373
    Aug 17, 2016
    La Conner, WA
    Queen of Hearts
    2007 Sea Ray 44 Sedan Bridge
    (LG111) Apex RIB 25 HP
    Past: 2000 Sea Ray 380
    Cummins QSC500s
    Have one at home...and always will after a trip to Japan in 2008. Superior in every way for finishing your business.

    We have a remote on ours so it takes less space. It does run on 110V for heating the wash water and the seat. I don't know if the sprayer will deploy without voltage. I will have to unplug when we get home and report back.

    I just looked on Amazon and Brondell makes a non-electric seat for $89.
     
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  15. AEO

    AEO Active Member

    391
    Feb 6, 2019
    2008 44DB
    GHS Swim Platform
    2018 AB w 15hp Merc
    Cummins QSC500’s
    The seat in the picture is one we bought for home. It won’t quite fit in the boat so will need the remote control model. Quite a big price difference between the two ..
     
  16. Jeff Carrick

    Jeff Carrick Member

    42
    Aug 8, 2020
    2006 44 Sedan Bridge
    Twin Cummins QSC 500
    Hey everybody! I haven’t been on here in a while but I had an issue crossing to Bimini this past weekend and I’m having difficulty finding the window trim around the port state room window. If anyone knows where I might be able to find this I would be truly grateful. See pictures attached.
     

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  17. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    I have one missing also; they snap over the plastic frame. Been looking for a couple of years - no luck.
     
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  18. Bruce SEA 993

    Bruce SEA 993 Well-Known Member

    373
    Aug 17, 2016
    La Conner, WA
    Queen of Hearts
    2007 Sea Ray 44 Sedan Bridge
    (LG111) Apex RIB 25 HP
    Past: 2000 Sea Ray 380
    Cummins QSC500s
    Do most of you keep and use the oil jugs on the Starboard side? I found out the previous owner never used them and had no idea how old the oil was.

    I would like to use the space for the watermaker motor and pump.

    How much oil do you typically carry on board?
     
  19. Irie308

    Irie308 Well-Known Member

    May 28, 2013
    CT
    2004 420 DB, GHS Hydraulic Lift
    Garmin 8600/Garmin 1222 plus
    AB Mares 10 VSX with 30 hp Tohatsu
    Cummins 450C 8.3 L Turbocharged
    I carry a 2 gallon jug of oil in that spot along with a gallon of AF. That being said that would be a great spot for your water maker. Your oil can be stored else where.
     
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  20. AEO

    AEO Active Member

    391
    Feb 6, 2019
    2008 44DB
    GHS Swim Platform
    2018 AB w 15hp Merc
    Cummins QSC500’s
    I put my water maker in that exact spot. A perfect fit
     
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