410 Sundancer/Express Cruiser and 400 Sundancer/Express Cruiser **Official Thread**

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  1. Carver370

    Carver370 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Mar 30, 2007
    New Buffalo Michigan
    2000 Sea Ray 400 Sundancer - Diesel
    Twin 3116 Cats - 350 HP
    Depending on the last two XX it’s likely not cored. My 2000 SERF is not.
     
  2. Captain Brian

    Captain Brian Member

    54
    Jan 5, 2013
    Lake St. Clair
    410 Sundancer 2000
    "The BEECH HOUSE"
    454 EFI Mercruisers with Vdrives, 7.0kw Westerbeke Gennie
    Carver370, Do you have struts under the platform to help support the weight?
     
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  3. SeaNile

    SeaNile Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    520
    Aug 16, 2010
    Chadds Ford, PA
    Boatless. Possibly shopping...who knows
    Boatless
    I am going to go and look at this particular boat a second time tomorrow and bringing the wife and kids. Already told them they need to look through the bath, compound, wax and vacuuming the boat needs.

    The 04 340 we had looked awesome, bright white gelcoat, black canvas and the "modern" look. This 99 isn't as WOW upon initial looking at it but there is absolutely no substitute for LOA. Boats grow in cubes and this 40 could swallow the 340! Diesels are a total bonus yet a must at this size for us.
     
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  4. Stee6043

    Stee6043 Well-Known Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    West Michigan
    1997 Sundancer 400
    7.4L Gassers
    I think the big price jump happens when you get into the hardtops @ 2004+, which I believe also coincides with the 410 moving into the 420. 2002/2003 410's should be in the same ballpark sell price as the 97-99 400's all else being equal.
     
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  5. Carver370

    Carver370 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Mar 30, 2007
    New Buffalo Michigan
    2000 Sea Ray 400 Sundancer - Diesel
    Twin 3116 Cats - 350 HP
    Yes I do, there are two mounted basically directly under the mounting points for the dinghy.
     
  6. Captain Brian

    Captain Brian Member

    54
    Jan 5, 2013
    Lake St. Clair
    410 Sundancer 2000
    "The BEECH HOUSE"
    454 EFI Mercruisers with Vdrives, 7.0kw Westerbeke Gennie
    Good, I thought that would help support the weight. Any idea who did the install? If you have any pictures of the aft out of the water I would appreciate that. It looks like a great system I am considering having one installed as well.

    Thanks!
     
  7. SeaNile

    SeaNile Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    520
    Aug 16, 2010
    Chadds Ford, PA
    Boatless. Possibly shopping...who knows
    Boatless
    Had a chance to see 3 different 99 40's today all at the same marina, only one was for sale but the other two were great reference points. We are going to pass on this particular 40 and continue the search. Never bought a boat during the winter but there is always a first!

    I have a feeling a few road trips are coming up. Good thing my wife and I enjoy the search.
     
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  8. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    The guys at Merritt Island knew how to build fiberglass boats, so hull coring isn't where you will find a wet core. The deck assembly is fully cored and you need to have your surveyor check all the oval ports and hatches as all will leak over time. The windlass mount is also prone to leak as it is poorly sealed and cored with 2 plys or plywood, not balsa. Furthermore, wet or not, have the port lights, hatches and windlass removed and rebedded as soon as you own the boat.

    Last points.......1.)The 400 has a transom/swimplatofrm design much like the 450DA where you can enter the boat from a side pier, walk across and enter the cockpit from the upper swim platform. It is a much easier access for older folks and kids and when you are carrying a bunch of the usual boat junk in your hands/arms.

    2.) We looked at the first 400DA delivered to NW Fla in about 1997. I do a lot of my own maintenance and as soon as I saw the linear actuator mount for raising the cockpit deck, I decided the 400 wasn't for me. The lower actuator mount position prevents an average sized human person from walking around the mount without removing it. We did like the cabin layout, but when we boarded a 450DA the next morning, our decision was made. The 450DA is so much more boat and is well planned and executed and even handles better but is a tad bit slower with 350hp 3116's.
     
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  9. SeaNile

    SeaNile Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    520
    Aug 16, 2010
    Chadds Ford, PA
    Boatless. Possibly shopping...who knows
    Boatless
    SeaRay got back to me very quickly regarding the hull of the initial boat I was interested in....

    Records indicate your boat 1999 400DA 543 SERFxxxxH899 has balsa core in the hull sides. Hull bottom sold fiberglass.

    We are really impressed with the 400DA given the current value. Of course the newer style with hardtop doesn't look dated at all but at 2.5x the price of a 99 it better look modern.

    Anyway, onto the one up north. Working out the schedule and we will make the 6hr drive to go and check it out.
     
  10. Strecker25

    Strecker25 Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2014
    Rochester, NY
    2002 410DA
    Caterpillar 350HP 3126
    what contact email did you use? I’d like all the drawings for our new boat (I had them for my 290) but they’ve not been responsive.

    good luck with the search!
     
  11. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    Axiom 12 MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    Just as data point... a lot of 99-2004 380 and 410 owners around here put a new camper top on with a higher top, minimal rear supports (really cantilevered with a curve mid support) and wrap around isinglass. Looks great and comparable to a 2004+ is a relative bargain. Front is about $5K, back is about $7K.

    There are options and a budget for all...

    Here's a pic

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  12. Strecker25

    Strecker25 Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2014
    Rochester, NY
    2002 410DA
    Caterpillar 350HP 3126
    Our previous owner changed ours to be a little sportier as well. Made it less boxy, I like the look


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  13. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    Axiom 12 MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives

    The ones around here are very similar, but the aft is longer and the curtains more vertical. Lets you use the rear bench year round.

    Ill grab a pic next time up
     
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  14. Strecker25

    Strecker25 Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2014
    Rochester, NY
    2002 410DA
    Caterpillar 350HP 3126
    Yeah, that’s my only complaint - with the aft curtain down you can’t sit totally upright. The positive is that seat gets full sun without the curtain.
     
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  15. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    Axiom 12 MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    It looks great!!!

    That's why you need more than one boat!!! Gotta over come the "negatives"!!
     
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  16. SeaNile

    SeaNile Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    520
    Aug 16, 2010
    Chadds Ford, PA
    Boatless. Possibly shopping...who knows
    Boatless
    The squareness/boxy look is something the 99 has compared to the 04 340 we previously had. The camper canvas definitely adds to the boxy look but the usefulness of the cockpit can't be denied! The one I am most interested in has new camper canvas and front eisenglass. Huge bonus if all else checks out OK.
     
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  17. Carver370

    Carver370 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Mar 30, 2007
    New Buffalo Michigan
    2000 Sea Ray 400 Sundancer - Diesel
    Twin 3116 Cats - 350 HP
    IMG_8699.jpg IMG_8672.jpg I love the Camper they installed on the back of mine. At first I was going to remove it and put the slant back on it. After living with it, I wouldn’t have it any other way. They raised the top from the arch back and raised the forward canvas as well which I think makes it look more proportionate.
     
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  18. Strecker25

    Strecker25 Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2014
    Rochester, NY
    2002 410DA
    Caterpillar 350HP 3126
    Here’s another shot of mine, they took the vertical supports out which makes it much easier to get to the side decks and I think makes the back look nicer with the glass down.

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  19. Stee6043

    Stee6043 Well-Known Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    West Michigan
    1997 Sundancer 400
    7.4L Gassers
    On the contrary I find the actuator placement to be ideal. The tighter it gets as I work back there over winter layup, the more motivation I have to eat/drink less before spring rolls around :)
     
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  20. SeaNile

    SeaNile Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    520
    Aug 16, 2010
    Chadds Ford, PA
    Boatless. Possibly shopping...who knows
    Boatless
    Wow, those boats look awesome! Did they change the gelcoat color for the 02? Looks brighter and whiter to me. Or is it just the lighting?

    If I found a boat that looked as good as the two above showing the canvas work I would buy them immediately. Very, very impressive and now shows me what a well cared for 40/41 should look like.
     

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