410 EXPRESS OR 460 SUNDANCER

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MARQUESA PC

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Dec 27, 2018
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Panama City FL
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2003 Searay 410 express
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Cummings 8.3
Hello all, I am new to the site and would like opinions. my wife and I lost our 43' Bertram sportfish (MARQUESA) in Panama City during hurricane Michael. She will be hard to replace. We have decided to go with a Searay this time around. It would fit our lifestyle better. However since we are trying to replace something we never dreamed we would have to it has become to say the least... difficult. We have looked at ALOT of different makes and style. We have narrowed it down to a 2003 410 Express, or a 2000 460 Sundancer. Both are equipped with the cummins diesels. Both are in the same price range so that want really play into our final choice. Any input from you guys that may own either, or similar would greatly be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
These are two largely different boats. How do you and your partner plan on using them? If you are looking at 460 I would look at the 500. I’ve been on both and feel like it’s a much bigger boat.
 
Well we have a 410ec,450,460,540,60 Sundacer on our dock. If you want to come take a look you’re welcome to. I know all these folks really well.

My first thought is this. Do you want a hard top? Having a hard top is really nice in the Florida/Texas heat so that would weigh on my mind.

The differences are substantial between the boats so I’ll give you my opinions and we can go from there.

The 410 is faster and will ride flatter as it has straight drives. It Has great access to the engines with the powered hatch. While I do love the 410ec the 460 will serve you better in almost all other fronts.

460 has a larger cockpit and more freeboard when the weather gets snotty. It’s a heavier boat so it will be slower.
Since the 460 is a sundancer it will add the midcabin and a 2nd head. The 460 has options for thrusters, platform, hardtop and helm AC. The engine room on the 460 is impressive and can handle 2 adults. This may not be as big of a deal but I also like the 240ac service on the 460 instead of 2 120vac lines on the 410 and I do like the cablemaster.

The bunk room can be a benefit in the 410ec just depends on your preference.

I really like both of the boats but you’ll have to make the final call. There are lots of both of these on this forum so you should get plenty of opinions and although I try not to be biased I’m sure I am because I have a 460.

Lastly I think it’s important to think about the overall ownership costs and if a 410 can save you money on everything that charges by the foot it can be quite the incentive. All the hauls, slip rentals, transient nights, bottom jobs...etc are less on a 410.

Of course let me know if I can help further and seriously it may be worth a trip over to see all the Searays together in one place.

Josh
 
Sorry you were one of those who lost a boat in October.
For me, there is no comparison to the 410EC and the 460DA. The 410 is faster, but the 460 is much more roomy and comfortable. It is also a better sea boat. I tihnk if you found a 410 and a 460 at the same price point, the 410 is probably over priced.

There is a 460DA that was just put on the market in Panama City. I doubt photos are online yet, but the boat's name is "Tranquility". It is listed with Marine Max and is located at Treasure Island Marina. It is a one owner boat, loaded with options and is being sold because the owner has just aged out of boating.

The marina is closed until 1/2/19 so if you want to see it you probably need to go to Marine Max first and they can get you access to the slips.

The boat was under a covered slip until Michael destroyed the roof. All the boats were hauled out for the storm and several of us were in the middle bay of the larger storage barns and none of the boats there were damaged (or even rained on!). The 460 has always been dealer maintained and the owner has managed the boat with an open checkbook. The marina has his full service records. My boat is in the slip beside the 460......one day several guys were sitting behind our boats and someone asked me what told I keep on board. I just said the list is so long you would'nt believe me if it told you. The owner of the 460 pulls out his cell phone and says "This is all I need.....I just call t he service mnager and tell him to fix what is broken".

The boat may need some detailing because she hasn't been use much in recent years, but the seller is very reasonable and is not looking for the last $ out of a sale. He is very wealthy and just wants out from under the slip/insurance/maintenance overhead since he realizes he is past his prime and is done with boating.
 
we do a little fishing from time to time, but other than that its usually just me and the wife. so we use ours for mainly for cruising the island and over nighters at a local place called crooked island. I think both boats would serve us well. However the wife is looking at the size and wow factor, and i think like "not her decision" as far as cost per foot on slips, bottom jobs, etc. The 410 we are looking at does have the "options" according to the searay website. Hardtop, power cockpit lounger, etc. I really like to do my research before I make a purchase of this size. didn't know if you guys might have some insight into things to watch out for or look for. Of course there will be a full survey. One of the issues that we have is that the 2 we have locked in on are pretty far away. The closet is in about a 2 day trip. My wife literally said that she wished she could find a photo with a 410 and 460 sitting beside each other.
 
We should probably talk on the phone. PM me your number if you want. I’ll attach a link to our group at lake Charles casino. We had a 60 Sundancer, a 460 Sundancer, a 57 Ferretti, a 540 Sundancer, and a 410 Express Cruiser. The video is terrible as this was my first time flying the drone but maybe it will help you get some perspective.


If all is equal I would lean toward the 460. The 410 should be less money for sure.

As far as things to look out for I don’t think there is much out of the ordinary but both will have some level of deferred maintaince items you will need to address.

Everything you need to know about the engines is on sbmar.com. On boats this old pay attention to the ac units, the refrigerators/ice makers and the water heater as well as the electronics. At this point they are all at the end of their useful life.
 
NotHerDecision said:
We should probably talk on the phone. PM me your number if you want. I’ll attach a link to our group at lake Charles casino. We had a 60 Sundancer, a 460 Sundancer, a 57 Ferretti, a 540 Sundancer, and a 410 Express Cruiser. The video is terrible as this was my first time flying the drone but maybe it will help you get some perspective.


If all is equal I would lean toward the 460. The 410 should be less money for sure.

As far as things to look out for I don’t think there is much out of the ordinary but both will have some level of deferred maintaince items you will need to address.

Everything you need to know about the engines is on sbmar.com. On boats this old pay attention to the ac units, the refrigerators/ice makers and the water heater as well as the electronics. At this point they are all at the end of their useful life.
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Is the 410 the second one with the hard top or the one on the end with the brown bimini?
 
Are you local to PCB?........if so you can crawl all over the 460DA at Treasure Island.

As far as overhead is concerned, be very careful committing for a boat before you secure a slip. We had a few boats from the city marina, St. Andrews, and Bay Point hauled out of the water for Michael. When the storm passed their home slips were destroyed and the nearest 18 ft slip some of them could find was in Orange Beach AL.
 
fwebster said:
Are you local to PCB?........if so you can crawl all over the 460DA at Treasure Island.

As far as overhead is concerned, be very careful committing for a boat before you secure a slip. We had a few boats from the city marina, St. Andrews, and Bay Point hauled out of the water for Michael. When the storm passed their home slips were destroyed and the nearest 18 ft slip some of them could find was in Orange Beach AL.
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we are from Dothan and our 43 bert was docked at city marina, but I had moved her to st Andrews, that's where she sank. we have other marina neighbors that have moved over to the Shalimar area. I have been in contact with several of the marinas, and there are several that should be up and running before summer. I also have a buddy that has a 80 foot dock in the lagoon that I can use (have to check depths) but you are right. the slips that are available are ROUGH on the wallet right now.
 
The 410 has the brown canvas without the hard top. The black canvas with hard top is my 460
 
MARQUESA PC said:
we are from Dothan and our 43 bert was docked at city marina, but I had moved her to st Andrews, that's where she sank. we have other marina neighbors that have moved over to the Shalimar area. I have been in contact with several of the marinas, and there are several that should be up and running before summer. I also have a buddy that has a 80 foot dock in the lagoon that I can use (have to check depths) but you are right. the slips that are available are ROUGH on the wallet right now.
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Treasure Island probably has no open slips either, but some of their commercial boats didn't survive the storm. The owners are more interested in long term relationships than profiteering on the misfortunes caused by the storm.....I've been there 30 years and am treated like family. They don't do month to month and prefer annual contracts. For big boats parking is directly behind the slips and they are a full service marina......12 trained mechanics, travel lift, boat yard, fuel, ships store, parts department, electronics install and service on staff, and for services they cannot do with internal staffing, they use the best sub-contractors in town.

The best thing is what you are just now getting over........insurance companies will not write a policy covering structures built over water, so they do not have insurance on docks, piers etc. For named storms, the marina hauls out every boat stored in the water and blocks it on the highest ground on the property. Even though several buildings were destroyed and Pirates Cove next door was demolished, Treasure Island had no bosts totaled and the only damage sustained was to canvas and few gelcost scratches from debris blowing around.

They might not have space, but for an absentee owner, it might be worth a look.
 
fwebster said:
Treasure Island probably has no open slips either, but some of their commercial boats didn't survive the storm. The owners are more interested in long term relationships than profiteering on the misfortunes caused by the storm.....I've been there 30 years and am treated like family. They don't do month to month and prefer annual contracts. For big boats parking is directly behind the slips and they are a full service marina......12 trained mechanics, travel lift, boat yard, fuel, ships store, parts department, electronics install and service on staff, and for services they cannot do with internal staffing, they use the best sub-contractors in town.

The best thing is what you are just now getting over........insurance companies will not write a policy covering structures built over water, so they do not have insurance on docks, piers etc. For named storms, the marina hauls out every boat stored in the water and blocks it on the highest ground on the property. Even though several buildings were destroyed and Pirates Cove next door was demolished, Treasure Island had no bosts totaled and the only damage sustained was to canvas and few gelcost scratches from debris blowing around.

They might not have space, but for an absentee owner, it might be worth a look.
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I have a buddy that's over there on his 450 searay "Runaway" he had canvas and gelcoat damage canvas is s redo. gelcoat wasn't anything major. If you've been there that long, im sure we have motored past each other at some point. We were tenants at City for 8 years and lighthouse 2 years before that. I cant find that 460 on marinemax yet. do you have any idea what the asking is on it?
 
The owner told me he was thinking in the $179K area, but I think that is low for a well maintained boat with a service history. My guess is with the commission MM will ask in the $185-187K area and hope for $175K.

This is not a distress sale, but the boat is seriously for sale. The owner is wealthy but the boat is just overhead to him now since he is no longer comfortable running it or climbing around the deck/platform handling lines.

If he hasn't listed it, and you are interested, I can put the 2 of you together. The owner is in PCB this week and is probably going to MM in the next day or so with the listing contract.
 
fwebster said:
The owner told me he was thinking in the $179K area, but I think that is low for a well maintained boat with a service history. My guess is with the commission MM will ask in the $185-187K area and hope for $175K.

This is not a distress sale, but the boat is seriously for sale. The owner is wealthy but the boat is just overhead to him now since he is no longer comfortable running it or climbing around the deck/platform handling lines.

If he hasn't listed it, and you are interested, I can put the 2 of you together. The owner is in PCB this week and is probably going to MM in the next day or so with the listing contract.
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The 460 im looking at is a 2000 but its a 1 owner and has been on a monthly maintenance schedule with its mechanic. I was blown away by how clean the engine room was. Not even corrosion on the thru hulls!!!! I would have no problem eating pizza off the bilge.
 
If it’s a 2000 then it doesn’t have a hardtop correct?
 
I haven’t ran 2 identical boats with and without hardtops to verify but the hard top is a great option overall. I’m a fan for sure just because of the cooler temps and less canvas/Bimini hardware.

Just for your notes. 2001 the 460 started having hardtops as a standard.
 
One thing I will say is that my 410 express beside my friends 460 sure seems small. The 460 is a LOT bigger.
 
fwebster said:
The owner told me he was thinking in the $179K area, but I think that is low for a well maintained boat with a service history. My guess is with the commission MM will ask in the $185-187K area and hope for $175K.

This is not a distress sale, but the boat is seriously for sale. The owner is wealthy but the boat is just overhead to him now since he is no longer comfortable running it or climbing around the deck/platform handling lines.

If he hasn't listed it, and you are interested, I can put the 2 of you together. The owner is in PCB this week and is probably going to MM in the next day or so with the listing contract.
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they have it listed now, asking 179k
 
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