30ft+/ Oversized load Trailering. Lets see your tow rigs.

Discussion in 'Trailering' started by ADR, Apr 27, 2019.

  1. hughespat57

    hughespat57 Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2016
    Rock Hill, SC
    300 Sundancer 1994, trailered tri-axle LoadRite roller
    Mercruiser 5.7 260HP Alpha One Gen II, twin
    Ok yes you do need to take her for a nice weekend out on the boat.


    Then you can get the radar...


    I’ll have to start a thread on my antenna system to get into all the details but I dont see any reason with a little care and waterproof Ethernet port you cant do it.
     
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  2. JHornsby3

    JHornsby3 Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2020
    Sheridan Oregon
    "Steele'y Tutz"
    1992 300 Sundancer
    Twin 4.3L W/Alpha One Gen II
    Thats what I was thinking. If I can get away with traveling with a 14'6" load in oregon, then I wouldn't worry about it. But the over width permit is going to be a bear as it is. And with a CDL A, they are already wanting me to get a commercial permit. And register the pick up commercial as well. Then I have to deal with the IFTA and all the other crap that goes along with it. I told them I would just go exempt and drive less than the 5000 miles a year to go around it. The guy just laughed at me. We will see. As for right now, they can't find the over width permit to cover a personal load.
     
  3. Nater Potater

    Nater Potater Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 19, 2020
    Southwest Idaho
    1992 300DA Sundancer
    Twin Merc Alpha I Gen II I/O's with 5.7 V8's
    Rough guesstimate is around 12' 6" by laying a 2X4 across the arch, and dropping a tape measure. As for the sway, I don't think adding spring capacity would help. That seems to be driven more by tongue weight. Also, the diesel puts a LOT of extra weight on the truck's front axle, so that probably comes into play. Then, the triple axle has a lot of inherent straight-line stability to begin with. We tooled along at 65 mph without any indication of a wiggle, and Idaho roads are not known for their quality surfaces.
    Without reading back through earlier posts, what size/OAL/weight capacity is your Chebby? I'd be inclined (okay, cheap) to try it first without going to the airbags. Assuming you don't get an excessive amount of squat from the rear axle, you might be okay as-is. Obviously, you'd want to carefully creep up on speed/maneuverability limits before diving in too deep.
     
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  4. wyrman

    wyrman Well-Known Member

    Jul 12, 2012
    Tri-Cities, Wa
    2007 310 Sundancer
    Twin 350's, V drives
    2003 Fisher 17 aluminum
    90hp Honda 4 stroke
    I think airbags do help with sway. I have some on my truck because I Have a cab-over camper.
    I aired them to 100lbs when I pulled this past summer, I had one heck of a crosswind for a while, and I feel they straightened the truck up quicker. I also have noticed it when hauling the camper.
    I didn't put mine on for the squat as I didn't really have any since it's a one ton. I put them on for the camper sway.
    Airbags aren't very expensive if you can install yourself, which I did.
     
  5. JHornsby3

    JHornsby3 Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2020
    Sheridan Oregon
    "Steele'y Tutz"
    1992 300 Sundancer
    Twin 4.3L W/Alpha One Gen II
    I know from when I had the ol 95 with the 6.5l diesel in it, when pulling the 30' 5er, bags made a huge difference. The previous owner had them on their own lines and it would sway and buck. But when I put the lines together they would equalize and it stopped all the sway. Got rid of the bucking when I switched to a clam shell hitch and moved it forward of the axel by 2".

    As for the weight of the new 04' Chebby, I'll run it across the scales tomorrow when I get headed home from a truss delivery. That is if the weigh master isn't in the house. It's a jump scale and they have been open every day for the last week. I know pulling this kind of load I wanted a crew cab with the 8' bed. And the DRW just for the stability. Plus I think an apple bottom girl is sexy.:D
     
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  6. Nater Potater

    Nater Potater Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 19, 2020
    Southwest Idaho
    1992 300DA Sundancer
    Twin Merc Alpha I Gen II I/O's with 5.7 V8's
    Bumping this up to the now, since there's recently a lot of noise being made about fuel costs. I know on Pend O'Reille, I can tow my boat from Bayview to Sandpoint by traveling about 26 road miles ($14), whereas by water is right at 31 miles ($120). It seems counter-productive, but the fuel at the local gas stations is a bunch cheaper around Bayview than Sandpoint, so, if I want to spend more time around Sandpoint, it makes more sense to just tow it up there. I honestly don't know just how much more expensive the marina gas would be; I can only imagine.
     
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  7. JHornsby3

    JHornsby3 Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2020
    Sheridan Oregon
    "Steele'y Tutz"
    1992 300 Sundancer
    Twin 4.3L W/Alpha One Gen II
    Today is the first day I have been out after my trips to the ER. I about crapped when I seen the diesel prices. The last trip into town where I passed a fuel stop diesel was at $3.87. Today it is $5.28. For B20 bio. So little BTU's with that crap. Good ol #2 I get about 28mpg. The B20 Im lucky to get 12mpg. Aviation fuel, I'm told is still about $6 100LL. Had a friend pass a few days ago and when the memorial happens I might take my four 55 gallon barrels with me. She owned the FOB and fuel pumps with her boyfriend/partner.
     
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  8. Nater Potater

    Nater Potater Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 19, 2020
    Southwest Idaho
    1992 300DA Sundancer
    Twin Merc Alpha I Gen II I/O's with 5.7 V8's
    Wait, I knew you were sick, but the ER? Dang, dude; I'm glad you're doing better.
     
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  9. JHornsby3

    JHornsby3 Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2020
    Sheridan Oregon
    "Steele'y Tutz"
    1992 300 Sundancer
    Twin 4.3L W/Alpha One Gen II
    Yeah, I guess I almost died. I asked the wife a few times to please put me out of my misery. But she said she needed blah blah blah, some chit then blah blah blah.

    Who'd of thought, that an abscessed tooth popping could poison the blood so bad. I never did.
     
  10. Tucker K5

    Tucker K5 Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    Oct 15, 2020
    Guntersville, Alabama
    2011 SLX 270, Just bought slightly used with 28 hours (9/2020).

    2006 680 Sun Sport
    SLX 270 8.2 Mercruiser Bravo 3

    Sun Sport 680 Cat C30s
    I know I’m years late on this but in case anyone reads all the way through this.
    The lug nuts are coming loose because the threads are galling.
    Eventually they will strip out either the stud or the nut (whichever is the softer material).
    Use grease or anti seize in small amounts on threads to prevent galling and subsequent loosening.
     
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  11. JHornsby3

    JHornsby3 Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2020
    Sheridan Oregon
    "Steele'y Tutz"
    1992 300 Sundancer
    Twin 4.3L W/Alpha One Gen II
    I find using antisieze on the lugs has always helped. I always plan on 10 years for logs. They press out pretty easy. But I dont remove the wheels unless they absolutely need to be. Some tire shops just dont care about your equipment. So a huge help is removing and installing myself.
     
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  12. Nater Potater

    Nater Potater Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 19, 2020
    Southwest Idaho
    1992 300DA Sundancer
    Twin Merc Alpha I Gen II I/O's with 5.7 V8's
    'Was introduced to this stuff during my A&P days for use on anything that bolts to the aluminum cylinder head on airplane engines. It's now used all over the old VW's and Norton. Yes, a little dab on the threads and taper of lug nuts works wonderfully.
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  13. Tucker K5

    Tucker K5 Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    Oct 15, 2020
    Guntersville, Alabama
    2011 SLX 270, Just bought slightly used with 28 hours (9/2020).

    2006 680 Sun Sport
    SLX 270 8.2 Mercruiser Bravo 3

    Sun Sport 680 Cat C30s
    And knowing the proper torque spec might be helpful as well.

    My guess is that if they keep getting loose and need retightened they need above mentioned lubricant and they may be over tightened.
     
  14. Nater Potater

    Nater Potater Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 19, 2020
    Southwest Idaho
    1992 300DA Sundancer
    Twin Merc Alpha I Gen II I/O's with 5.7 V8's
    You do have to be careful, as the "proper" torque is normally derived from the known tensile strength of the stud, based on the thread pitch. Unless noted, this is with dry (albeit healthy) threads. If you run a lubed nut down to the "dry" torque reading, you'll actually be over-torquing the fastener. I err on the conservative, and torque to the lower end of the spec. That, and I also check them about every hour until I'm confident they're not moving, which is about all the further we can make it between potty breaks...
     
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  15. Tucker K5

    Tucker K5 Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

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    Oct 15, 2020
    Guntersville, Alabama
    2011 SLX 270, Just bought slightly used with 28 hours (9/2020).

    2006 680 Sun Sport
    SLX 270 8.2 Mercruiser Bravo 3

    Sun Sport 680 Cat C30s
    I agree. When I put lug nuts on I just use grease because it is less messy than anti seize and I just pull them fairly snug. I never bare down on it at all.
    I’ve never had one to come loose.
     
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  16. JHornsby3

    JHornsby3 Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2020
    Sheridan Oregon
    "Steele'y Tutz"
    1992 300 Sundancer
    Twin 4.3L W/Alpha One Gen II
    I like to Les Schwab them. Then back them off a quarter turn. Just kidding.

    The proper spec is all I go. I like to be able to remove one if I have a flat while away from the impact.
     
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  17. Nater Potater

    Nater Potater Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 19, 2020
    Southwest Idaho
    1992 300DA Sundancer
    Twin Merc Alpha I Gen II I/O's with 5.7 V8's
    I carry one of these with me whenever I tow anything:

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    3/4 In. Drive Click Type Torque Wrench I know; Harbor Freight, but I've verified it against a known standard, and it's within a couple percent at 100 lb/ft. At just over 2 feet long, it's easy to obtain the torque values for most lug nuts.
     
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  18. JHornsby3

    JHornsby3 Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2020
    Sheridan Oregon
    "Steele'y Tutz"
    1992 300 Sundancer
    Twin 4.3L W/Alpha One Gen II
    I used to carry one with me. But I carry so much "stuff" I would be over weight empty pulling out of the driveway. Scaled way back on everything and only carry what I might need. I have been using the HF ones for years. I have not had one off by much if at all.
     
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  19. Sundancer

    Sundancer Well-Known Member

    Jul 20, 2005
    Prosser, WA
    33 year old CLASSIC 300 DA, towed almost anywhere behind the Duramax Dually Crew Cab.
    16 cyl, 700 cu. in./Alpha I's
    I have one of those and never thought of using it on the lug nuts! Sheesh! I used the standard x wrench with a different size on each end of the x. It works but I have had a Les Schwab gorilla tighten them to one click below twisting off. I twisted one off last summer trying to get a tire off. Oh well, I'll try some grease or Anti-Seize next time.
     
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  20. JHornsby3

    JHornsby3 Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2020
    Sheridan Oregon
    "Steele'y Tutz"
    1992 300 Sundancer
    Twin 4.3L W/Alpha One Gen II
    I also carry the X wrench. They will work to get you off the road and to the shop.

    The last pick up I had, Schwab did that to 6 of the 8 lugs on one wheel. I called them from middle of nowhere 84 and had them come fix it. Haven't used them since.
     
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