Did anybody else read the comment in Trailer Boat Mag about the new Sea Ray 290 Sun Deck?
290 SunDeck ?
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Well Chuck since I don't get that magazine I am now in total suspense..................what was their comment? :grin: :wink:
It is in their DockTalk I spy section.
They are saying it will be 29 1/2 Feet long and 9'1" Beam
Some kind of twist on the back-to-back lounger seat has a sliding backrest. sleeper berth with a TV, swimstep seat, reefer and gas grill at the wetbar. They say it is still in development, but sounds interesting.
They are saying it will be 29 1/2 Feet long and 9'1" Beam
Some kind of twist on the back-to-back lounger seat has a sliding backrest. sleeper berth with a TV, swimstep seat, reefer and gas grill at the wetbar. They say it is still in development, but sounds interesting.
chuck1 said:
Alrighty...........................maybe it will be hybrid powered too. :wow:
I would love to see it by hybrid powered. I really like the hybrid system in my Camry. I think that I could get at least 10 MPG at 80% of hull speed in my 270 DA with a HSD, as the engine would not be running most of the time. Couple 10 MPG and an autopilot (see last paragrah) and it would make for a very nice sundown cruise on the river.Dave S said:
It would take a lot of system integration, as with a hybrid system like the HSD, the on-board AC power should be part of the system. There would be no need for a separate genny or inverter if you already have a good size battery bank and an engine that autostarts to keep it charged. You could have "always on" AC on board.
It would allow the prop to turn at slow to zero speeds that are not now available, so you could use throttle, not gear shifting, when maneuvering around the dock. Actually, there would be no gear shifting, as the HSD does not change or un-mesh gears.
And if you were to put that in a 300DA, use hydraulic steering, separate for each outdrive, and integrate the whole thing, then I think you could get station keeping and possible joystick control with that system like you can with the "Pod Drives".
rktktpaul
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I also saw that when I received my copy of the magazine this week. Reminded me of the 310 Four Winns Horizon featured in Boating Magazine a little while ago.
I would love to see SeaRay get this boat out to market!!!
I would love to see SeaRay get this boat out to market!!!
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Here is the link to that boat............pretty versatile if your into something like that. http://www.fourwinns.com/product.php?model=310
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The 290 is a pretty expensive boat compared to what it has to offer. It's more of a ego kind of boat. As a cuddy cabin it does not give you the same comforts as a 280DA would for the same money.
As a super bow rider it takes a lot to tow it so that narrows the field because the owner will have to get a large vehicle to handle the boat and it will take up a lot of room in the back yard.
But, if you had that house on the water with a lift and wanted to be the bad boy on the water, the 290SS is it. :grin: At my present pay grade I personally could not justify one, but if the right one came along at the right price, it would not take much to twist my arm, that is one sharp boat. :thumbsup:
As a super bow rider it takes a lot to tow it so that narrows the field because the owner will have to get a large vehicle to handle the boat and it will take up a lot of room in the back yard.
But, if you had that house on the water with a lift and wanted to be the bad boy on the water, the 290SS is it. :grin: At my present pay grade I personally could not justify one, but if the right one came along at the right price, it would not take much to twist my arm, that is one sharp boat. :thumbsup:
So. . is the new boat a cuddy, or a super bow-rider like the FourWins 310?
I have a 280SS. . . which is basically a 290SS without the swim platform lockers. For me the decision was easy because;
1) Cuddy is really cheaper than a Sundancer :wink: (My experience is different than Stihlbolts regarding price)
2) Cuddy is a lot *lighter* than a Sundancer (therefore faster) :thumbsup:
For me. . . who moors behind a house. . .a cabin is really not necessary, as I don't sleep on the boat. But the small cabin is nice if I get "caught out" in rain, or if passengers get cold during a night run. The cabin is still small, . . and the boat emphasis is really on the cockpit area. In 12 monthes of ownership, I slept on the boat once (as a test -> behind my house!), and have used the cabin once as a rain shelter for passengers (a bow rider would have stayed home that day)
I did consider a trailerable boat. . but the thought of handling anything bigger than 22' on a trailer was very unappealing. The width limit for most roads is 8' 6", so the 290SS and this new 29 would present a permit problem.
I saw a few large bowriders over the last few years, but I just couldn't see the point. As stated above, trailing is non-trivial. Although a large bowrider is cheaper than a comparable cuddy. . the drop in price doesn't seem to make up for the *complete* loss of cabin. A small cabin like what is shown in that Four Winns 310 is totally useless, IMHO.
The one probable plus for a big bowrider is that if you truely are a day-use only person, and you carry LOTS of people. . . the bow rider has strong appeal.
Boating is not a one - size fits all thing. For me.. . a cuddy is perfect. But I can see a cabin cruiser having a wider appeal, with a big bowrider having a narrower appeal.
Where I have my boat, I have the largest cuddy by at least 5 feet (Excluding two muscle boats) There are three Sundancers (a 29, a 30, and a 36) and a few other cabin cruisers. The largest bowrider/deckboat is a Charral 24 (a really sweet boat!!)
I have a 280SS. . . which is basically a 290SS without the swim platform lockers. For me the decision was easy because;
1) Cuddy is really cheaper than a Sundancer :wink: (My experience is different than Stihlbolts regarding price)
2) Cuddy is a lot *lighter* than a Sundancer (therefore faster) :thumbsup:
For me. . . who moors behind a house. . .a cabin is really not necessary, as I don't sleep on the boat. But the small cabin is nice if I get "caught out" in rain, or if passengers get cold during a night run. The cabin is still small, . . and the boat emphasis is really on the cockpit area. In 12 monthes of ownership, I slept on the boat once (as a test -> behind my house!), and have used the cabin once as a rain shelter for passengers (a bow rider would have stayed home that day)
I did consider a trailerable boat. . but the thought of handling anything bigger than 22' on a trailer was very unappealing. The width limit for most roads is 8' 6", so the 290SS and this new 29 would present a permit problem.
I saw a few large bowriders over the last few years, but I just couldn't see the point. As stated above, trailing is non-trivial. Although a large bowrider is cheaper than a comparable cuddy. . the drop in price doesn't seem to make up for the *complete* loss of cabin. A small cabin like what is shown in that Four Winns 310 is totally useless, IMHO.
The one probable plus for a big bowrider is that if you truely are a day-use only person, and you carry LOTS of people. . . the bow rider has strong appeal.
Boating is not a one - size fits all thing. For me.. . a cuddy is perfect. But I can see a cabin cruiser having a wider appeal, with a big bowrider having a narrower appeal.
Where I have my boat, I have the largest cuddy by at least 5 feet (Excluding two muscle boats) There are three Sundancers (a 29, a 30, and a 36) and a few other cabin cruisers. The largest bowrider/deckboat is a Charral 24 (a really sweet boat!!)
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Snark, my price comparison is based on Sea Rays price chart at suggest list 290ss vs 280DA, its just a opinion. :wink: :lol:
But I am wondering, how do you get a 2008 280ss? When we are still in 07. :smt017 Lets see some pictures in your vitrual marina. :thumbsup:
But I am wondering, how do you get a 2008 280ss? When we are still in 07. :smt017 Lets see some pictures in your vitrual marina. :thumbsup:
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I have also looked at the price of these two boats and find it hard to believe the 290 is so much more. For the money the 280 is a better value new or used.
I really like the 290SS but spending the night on it would be cramped. Also those twin 350's might be fast but the twin 4.3's in a 280 is all the old prople need.
I really like the 290SS but spending the night on it would be cramped. Also those twin 350's might be fast but the twin 4.3's in a 280 is all the old prople need.
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Errrr. Just did the virtual marina tonight. I messed up the year! Fixed now! I may get around to pictures sometime later.
My boat is a 1997. When I was buying, I was told the price of the new 290SS was $125K. That sounded insane. .. and my used boat was *nowhere near* that price. Even after a whole raft of expected and unexpected maintenance!
Looking at the SeaRay website, the MSRP's look to be as follows
2007 290 Select EX with T-5L BIII -> About $127K
2007 290SS with T-5L BIII -> About $131K
2007 280DA with T-5L BIII -> About $147K
2007 290DA with T-5L BIII -> About $150K
I agree that under a 15% price premium for the Dancers does not seem that bad! Makes me wonder what the street price for these boats are? I honestly didn't price the large *new* searays when shopping. I did price up a Crownline 27' cuddy at about $70K (with single engine) -> That was expensive enough!!
The sport boats seem to have more engine options than the dancers. . which can really drive up the price quick! For example, the MSRP delta for T-4.3L Alpha I vs T-5.0L Bravo III on the 280DA is about $10K. Power output difference is about 15% I have no clue how that translates into on-water performance. I suspect the change from Alpha to BIII drive has a bigger impact. Unfortunately, I did not have the opportunity to test a dozen boat/engine combinations when buying. In all honesty. . .my purchase can be classified as an "informed impulse buy".
And looking closer in specs. . .the weights of the 280DA and 290SS are nearly identical (both boats have a single engine standard). That seems odd to me. I have a 290 dancer moored across the lagoon from me. My 280SS *looks* alot smaller because of the lower cabin profile!
I also note that the specs for the 2007 290SS call out a dry weight about 1500lbs higher than my 1997, but my boat lacks the arch and hugebolt on swim platform. Hmmm. I truely wonder how that impacts things?
One day last summer, I took nine people on my boat. About seven more than usual. I guess that is worth about 1200lbs. I noticed about a 2mph slower speed at cruise throttle (say. . 29 vs 31 mph), and no real impact on handling (I was very happy camper that day! :smt038 )
Errrr. Just did the virtual marina tonight. I messed up the year! Fixed now! I may get around to pictures sometime later.
My boat is a 1997. When I was buying, I was told the price of the new 290SS was $125K. That sounded insane. .. and my used boat was *nowhere near* that price. Even after a whole raft of expected and unexpected maintenance!
Looking at the SeaRay website, the MSRP's look to be as follows
2007 290 Select EX with T-5L BIII -> About $127K
2007 290SS with T-5L BIII -> About $131K
2007 280DA with T-5L BIII -> About $147K
2007 290DA with T-5L BIII -> About $150K
I agree that under a 15% price premium for the Dancers does not seem that bad! Makes me wonder what the street price for these boats are? I honestly didn't price the large *new* searays when shopping. I did price up a Crownline 27' cuddy at about $70K (with single engine) -> That was expensive enough!!
The sport boats seem to have more engine options than the dancers. . which can really drive up the price quick! For example, the MSRP delta for T-4.3L Alpha I vs T-5.0L Bravo III on the 280DA is about $10K. Power output difference is about 15% I have no clue how that translates into on-water performance. I suspect the change from Alpha to BIII drive has a bigger impact. Unfortunately, I did not have the opportunity to test a dozen boat/engine combinations when buying. In all honesty. . .my purchase can be classified as an "informed impulse buy".
And looking closer in specs. . .the weights of the 280DA and 290SS are nearly identical (both boats have a single engine standard). That seems odd to me. I have a 290 dancer moored across the lagoon from me. My 280SS *looks* alot smaller because of the lower cabin profile!
I also note that the specs for the 2007 290SS call out a dry weight about 1500lbs higher than my 1997, but my boat lacks the arch and hugebolt on swim platform. Hmmm. I truely wonder how that impacts things?
One day last summer, I took nine people on my boat. About seven more than usual. I guess that is worth about 1200lbs. I noticed about a 2mph slower speed at cruise throttle (say. . 29 vs 31 mph), and no real impact on handling (I was very happy camper that day! :smt038 )
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The more options, the higher the price of course. :thumbsup:
Sounds like you got a great buy on your boat. :thumbsup:
Sounds like you got a great buy on your boat. :thumbsup:
Well. . .I would like to think I got a good buy!
When I bought, I did some market research on used 1997 280SS's, and I paid mid-range price. About $41. Survey revealed original exhaust. . which the seller and I split costs for replacement.
Buying used sheds alot of initial capital. . at the expense of significant maintenance cost risk. After 12 months. . .I am hanging in there! The bottom line for me is that I bought the *right boat*. I smile every time I step aboard!
My only regret is that I am at home today, and not down on the boat! :smt089
When I bought, I did some market research on used 1997 280SS's, and I paid mid-range price. About $41. Survey revealed original exhaust. . which the seller and I split costs for replacement.
Buying used sheds alot of initial capital. . at the expense of significant maintenance cost risk. After 12 months. . .I am hanging in there! The bottom line for me is that I bought the *right boat*. I smile every time I step aboard!
My only regret is that I am at home today, and not down on the boat! :smt089
