2000 410 Sundnacer

fwebster said:
Add 17 ft. to yours and you see why my wife considers my boat a mistress.
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I know exactly where you are coming from as the 70 footer I am involved in is killing me as I bring her up to specs!!
 
fwebster said:
Sea Rays are built for the harsh salt water environment.........the difference between a freshwater boat and a saltwater one is all in the care and maintenance it has had. You cannot discount a saltwater boat just because it is parked in Florida. Many inland and northern boaters move boats to Florida and list them with Florida brokers to sell them because of the 12 months a year selling season. The other side of that coin is that a freshwater owner moving his boat to Florida usually has no clue how to avoid the sun/saltwater potential damage. You just have to look at the boat in person to know it if it one worth pursuing.

My boat is not for sale, but it has been in salt water its whole life and we work hard to keep it fresh and current, plus it is waxed 4X a year. I am often asked by prospective buyers walking the docks if its new because they cannot find that model in the catalog (its 15 years old!). The older the boat is, the harder its going to be to find a nice one, but they are out there. A documented maintenance history and obvious care is important to making a good choice. Cosmetics.......vinyl, canvas, carpeting, etc. can be easily replaced, neglected maintenance particularly on diesel engines is hard to get current without a major investment after the sale.

Salt water isn't acid.........it won't eat a boat up. Poor or neglected maintenance will, however, certainly eat the value out of one.
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The flipside of the coin is, I highly doubt that if your 450 was for sale it would be at bottom dollar pricing.

That 410 at 135K seems to be a good deal, if it all checks out and you are getting a nice discount off that shes probably worth pursuing. If I were buying as far away as you were though I would have somebody do a preliminary check of the boat first.
 
Carver370 said:
The flipside of the coin is, I highly doubt that if your 450 was for sale it would be at bottom dollar pricing.

That 410 at 135K seems to be a good deal, if it all checks out and you are getting a nice discount off that shes probably worth pursuing. If I were buying as far away as you were though I would have somebody do a preliminary check of the boat first.
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You are exactly right, and that is a key point worth making again..........

It seems that most of the boat shoppers here tend to start at the biggest boats they can find that is within their budget then work up from there. They also start with the cheapest boats on the market. I tend to believe that is about backwards. Start with a cheap boat and you are very likely faced with re-doing canvas, vinyl, carpeting, neglected engine maintenance, leaky shaft seals, leaky seawater pumps, non-functioning electronics, and the list goes on. It isn't difficult to spend $25K+ just getting the cheap boat useable and seaworthy. I'd rather start at the other end of the price spectrum, but below the idiots who have no clue what their boat is worth and grossly over priced it. I'd look for the nicest most well maintained boat I could find then negotiate the best deal I could. The total money invested may be pretty close to the same, but you would be starting with a clean boat with a good service history.
 
Had a 2000 380DA with 7.4's, and a 2003 410DA with the 8.1's. I would NOT get the 7.4's in a 41. The 8.1's have more torque and less issues overall. It is just a better engine setup, and if you get them with smartcraft (2002 and newer?) you will be happier yet again.
 
sellnit said:
Had a 2000 380DA with 7.4's, and a 2003 410DA with the 8.1's. I would NOT get the 7.4's in a 41. The 8.1's have more torque and less issues overall. It is just a better engine setup, and if you get them with smartcraft (2002 and newer?) you will be happier yet again.
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I'm curious as to the performance you got with the 8.1s. I am now looking at a 2003 410 DA with 8.1 motors (350 hours). This is my preferred set-up, but I was having a hard time finding one in my price range. Given the boating I do, gas makes more sense for me. I don't care about burning fuel because I don't go that far on a regular basis (longest trip is a 35-mile one way trip each year). How are the 8.1s around the dock? What is your average fuel burn and cruising speed?

Thanks!
 
Bryank said:
I'm curious as to the performance you got with the 8.1s. I am now looking at a 2003 410 DA with 8.1 motors (350 hours). This is my preferred set-up, but I was having a hard time finding one in my price range. Given the boating I do, gas makes more sense for me. I don't care about burning fuel because I don't go that far on a regular basis (longest trip is a 35-mile one way trip each year). How are the 8.1s around the dock? What is your average fuel burn and cruising speed?

Thanks!
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I have 8.1's in a 420 which is very similar to your a 410. I can say that my best cruise is at 3300 Rpm doing 18.7mph @ .6 mpg (31GPH). That's with a clean bottom and full tanks. @ 3500RPMs I'm doing 20.5mph @.56 mpg

Around the docks in idle it's very numb and slow to respond. In calm winds with no current this is fine. Anything more and you'll need to get used to using the throttles. Once you're used to using 4 handles though it's no big deal and the handling is as responsive as you want it to be.

There's no doubt the gassers aren't as fuel efficient or responsive as the diesels but if your doing short distance boating and anchoring up most of the time then they're a real alternative and can save you a lot of up-front cash. Resale will vary widely depending on whether you're selling into a coastal vs inland lake market.
 
Hello just got a 41 foot 2000 as well and love it.. Havent had it out much but did the other day and the wind was up.. It really pushed the boat around was very surprised how much it did with as much as the boat weighs. Have only had it up to around 18 miles per hour and the nose was still pretty high up wanted to see if it would plane of but didnt do it bc of time. and other boats lol.. Good luck with yours love mine so far...
 
Since we have so many 410DA owners contributing to this thread I have a question that goes to Bryan's original inquiry a couple months ago regarding the aft cabin and sleeping capacity. I'm in the process of purchasing a 2000 410DA with diesels and I'm wondering how people setup for overnight trips. I know the boat is listed to have 6 births, but is it realistic to expect that it will sleep 6 adults? In order for this to work I would think you'd have 2 in the forward cabin, 2 in the salon area using the extension cushion and 2 in the aft cabin (1 person on lower sofa extended and 1 person on upper bunk). Also, during the course of my research of this model I've heard some comments that the aft cockpit area has additional cusions that sit on top of the lowered table to set up a sunpad area...can anyone confirm or deny if this is in fact true?
 
copb8tx said:
....There's no doubt the gassers aren't as fuel efficient or responsive as the diesels but if your doing short distance boating and anchoring up most of the time then they're a real alternative and can save you a lot of up-front cash. Resale will vary widely depending on whether you're selling into a coastal vs inland lake market.
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I totally agree.

THJeff said:
Since we have so many 410DA owners contributing to this thread I have a question that goes to Bryan's original inquiry a couple months ago regarding the aft cabin and sleeping capacity. I'm in the process of purchasing a 2000 410DA with diesels and I'm wondering how people setup for overnight trips. I know the boat is listed to have 6 births, but is it realistic to expect that it will sleep 6 adults? In order for this to work I would think you'd have 2 in the forward cabin, 2 in the salon area using the extension cushion and 2 in the aft cabin (1 person on lower sofa extended and 1 person on upper bunk). Also, during the course of my research of this model I've heard some comments that the aft cockpit area has additional cusions that sit on top of the lowered table to set up a sunpad area...can anyone confirm or deny if this is in fact true?
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I would question more if two adults would fit in the mid berth. I think there's plenty of room in the aft cabin.
 
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Even though this is "our" first boat we couldn't be any happyer with the diesels.
We stayed at Champlins for labor day weekend with four adults and three big teens.
Adults in aft kids in cockpit, just lowered back canvas to floor it worked great. People can still crawl over boat with canvas on
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spurdog said:
Even though this is "our" first boat we couldn't be any happyer with the diesels.
We stayed at Champlins for labor day weekend with four adults and three big teens.
Adults in aft kids in cockpit, just lowered back canvas to floor it worked great. People can still crawl over boat with canvas on
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Pretty close to coping. But your boat is two years newer.
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THJeff said:
Since we have so many 410DA owners contributing to this thread I have a question that goes to Bryan's original inquiry a couple months ago regarding the aft cabin and sleeping capacity. I'm in the process of purchasing a 2000 410DA with diesels and I'm wondering how people setup for overnight trips. I know the boat is listed to have 6 births, but is it realistic to expect that it will sleep 6 adults? In order for this to work I would think you'd have 2 in the forward cabin, 2 in the salon area using the extension cushion and 2 in the aft cabin (1 person on lower sofa extended and 1 person on upper bunk). Also, during the course of my research of this model I've heard some comments that the aft cockpit area has additional cusions that sit on top of the lowered table to set up a sunpad area...can anyone confirm or deny if this is in fact true?
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We have had 3 different couples sleep in our mid-berth cabin but it can be a bit tight. One couple was larger than average. The aft sunpad insert is plenty big for a couple to sleep on but you will want to carry a mattress topper for comfort. I will never use the salon pullout as a bed...
 
So, I put an offer in on a 410 Dancer only to find out that they had just accepted another offer! Talk about bad timing...:smt021

I now have my eye on a freshwater 2001 410 DA with 8.1s. Problem (or maybe not) is that the boat has 1,000 hours on the engines. I spoke with the dealer and they indicated that the owner took the boat back and forth from Minnesota to Tennessee each season and did this for a few years. The boat looks really clean as far as I can tell and the dealer was pretty honest on the phone about what might need to be replaced--however, he said the engines are fine. I know that usage really dictates the wear and tear on an engine, but I wanted to get your thoughts on this--is 1,000 hours too high for these 10-year old engines?

I typically put about 30 - 40 hours a season on my boat, so it would be another 30 years before I put another 1,000 hours on!

Thanks for your feedback... despite not yet being a Sea Ray owner (though I previously owned three of them), this forum has been a great help!
 
I would have to have some pretty convincing service records that address transmissions, fluids, risers, impellers, etc., etc. And I'd expect a very significant discount to even consider it.
 
2001 boat with 1,000 hours. Lets say he actually bought it in 2000 new which is common, less than 90 hours a year.

If you think about it that way its not that bad. At least you know it was used!
 
Bryank said:
I'm curious as to the performance you got with the 8.1s. I am now looking at a 2003 410 DA with 8.1 motors (350 hours). This is my preferred set-up, but I was having a hard time finding one in my price range. Given the boating I do, gas makes more sense for me. I don't care about burning fuel because I don't go that far on a regular basis (longest trip is a 35-mile one way trip each year). How are the 8.1s around the dock? What is your average fuel burn and cruising speed?

Thanks!
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8.1's are a lil slow around the docks compared to diesels, but better than the 7.4's IMHO. I ran in the mid 3000's for cruise and in the low 40 GPH for fuel burn. I would not own another boat with the 7.4's though, even in the inland/lake regions. The 8.1's are just more refined, and smartcraft is a great feature to have available. Never had an issue with the engines or transmissions. PM me if you want, I know of a 2003 with 8.1's for sale very aggressively that was a fresh water boat half its life.
 
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