110 V in Bilge

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  1. B BARKER

    B BARKER Member

    93
    Apr 20, 2014
    TENNESSEE RIVER- CLIFTON,TN
    1974 CENTURY ARABIAN 454 CRUSADER MARINE V-DRIVE.. ALSO 1987 SEA RAY 390 EXPRESS CRUISER..
    454 MERCRUISER 340 INBOARDS
    Does anyone know if there is a 110v feed in the bilge other than hot water heater on a 1987 390 EC.....??? I need to hook up a 110v rec box...
     
  2. Creekwood

    Creekwood Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 26, 2009
    Oakville and Georgian Bay, Ontario
    '97 330 Sundancer
    2X 454 w/ vDrives
    No there is not because it is against ABYC rules.
     
  3. B BARKER

    B BARKER Member

    93
    Apr 20, 2014
    TENNESSEE RIVER- CLIFTON,TN
    1974 CENTURY ARABIAN 454 CRUSADER MARINE V-DRIVE.. ALSO 1987 SEA RAY 390 EXPRESS CRUISER..
    454 MERCRUISER 340 INBOARDS
    OK, I didn't know that. Thank You for the information....
     
  4. Little Ducky

    Little Ducky Active Member

    936
    Jun 5, 2017
    Chattanooga TN/Dickson TN
    1998 SeaRay 290 Sundancer
    Twin EFI 5.0L w/Alpha 1 drives
    There's probably 120v at the battery charger.
     
  5. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1995 550 Sedan Bridge,
    2010 Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport,
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport,
    CAT 3406C's, 580hp.
    B Barker, be VERY careful of what you are thinking of using in the bilge if you have gassers down there. Almost all non-marine rated appliances are not safe to use because of the danger of a spark. It just ain't worth the risk.
     
  6. northern

    northern Well-Known Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    West coast Vancouver to Alaska
    380 Aft Cabin 1989 GPS and Charts by Nobeltec
    Twin 454 strait shaft
    Our generator is in the bilge (Engine room).
    Never thought of it but guess it is explosion proof.
     
  7. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    I long for a 110 outlet in my bilge too but since it probably isn’t a good idea I think I’m going to settle for installing one in the cockpit very close to the hatch so I can plug in to it when I need to.
     
  8. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    It's not just the appliances - as Creekwood said, the outlet, itself, is not allowed in a gas bilge. Simply plugging or unplugging things can cause a spark.
     
  9. Dani-Lu

    Dani-Lu Member

    418
    Apr 20, 2007
    Long Island - Great South Bay
    2001 410DA
    3126 Cats
    I don’t know what ABCY rules say, but I would think with diesels, a 110 GFI protected outlet would be ok. A spark is not gonna cause an explosion with diesel fuel. I am interested in this, because I too want to install an outlet in my ER.
     
  10. fr8dog

    fr8dog Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    247
    May 25, 2012
    Florida
    460 Sundancer 2005
    Cummins 480 CE
    There is a 110V gfi outlet in my engine room. Standard from Sea Ray, so it must comply with the rules.
     
  11. hottoddie

    hottoddie Well-Known Member

    Jan 11, 2012
    Boston/Cape Cod
    1986 Sea Ray 390 Express
    Garmin 4212 Chartplotter
    Garmin 24 HD Radar
    Garmin GSD 22 Sounder
    Garm
    454 Crusaders
    The charger in my 390 is in the cabin under the dinette. I assume that's because it's not explosion rated. Maybe some are rated so the ER would be OK. If I need 110 in the ER I just plug into one of the 2 receptacles up above in the cockpit.
     
  12. Creekwood

    Creekwood Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 26, 2009
    Oakville and Georgian Bay, Ontario
    '97 330 Sundancer
    2X 454 w/ vDrives
    The issue is with a 110 receptacle in gas powered boats. Its acceptable for diesels. That is why Sea Ray put 110 outlets in the cockpit but not the bilge on gassers. The 110 powered items are required to be designed for use in an environment with explosive fumes with no sparks or sealed switches where fumes cannot meet the sparks.
     
  13. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1995 550 Sedan Bridge,
    2010 Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport,
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport,
    CAT 3406C's, 580hp.
    I also have a GFI outlet in my engine room. It's where I plug in my Boatsafe heater, which is spark protected. I also have a 110V trouble light and a reciprocating fan down there.

    When I had a 330 with gassers I sometimes used 110V tools in the bilge, but only after having the hatch open for 10 minutes or so and running the exhaust fans during that time.

    Mikey no wanta be a fireball.
     
  14. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    With diesel you are fine. FW told me how to install mine & I really like having it down there, my block heaters are plugged into it right now.
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2017
  15. Dani-Lu

    Dani-Lu Member

    418
    Apr 20, 2007
    Long Island - Great South Bay
    2001 410DA
    3126 Cats
    John,

    I will help you install your’s if you help me install mine :).

    Also, my boat is hi and dry, so I can show you the southbay strainers when you have time.

    Merry Christmas!

    Jeff
     
  16. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    Thanks Jeff. Same to you.
    Now that I know it’s ok to do I’m going to look around the bilge to see if I can find a suitable chase to get me to the electric panel in the cabin. Would be great to have a dedicated 15 amp breaker if possible. Can’t remember off the top of my head if there is any blank spots on the 110 panel though.
    The other option would be to run it off of the existing 110 outlet on the port side that is right outside the cabin door, but it may be easier to just go directly to the panel if there is a chase in the bilge area to get a snake through.
    Wondering if anyone else with a 410 has run one and where they got the power from.
    I’d like to take a quick look at your South Bay strainers if it’s okay. What yard are you in?
     
  17. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    I removed a lug out of the Pro Mariner battery charger and tapped into 120v. I mounted an outlet on the firewall with a rainproof cover over it.
     
  18. Dani-Lu

    Dani-Lu Member

    418
    Apr 20, 2007
    Long Island - Great South Bay
    2001 410DA
    3126 Cats
    I am at Rutherig. Do you know them? I’ve been in Florida the last 3 weeks and will be flying home on Sunday. If we don’t go skiing, I will be local all of Christmas week. I literally brought my boat to them the same day I headed south, so I have no idea where they blocked it. If you know the Rutherigs, feel free to take a look without me.
     
  19. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    Thanks Jeff! I don’t know them, but I know their place. I kept my old boat next door to them in Karl Tank years ago before I owned my dock property and use Gulf Fiberglass down the block when I need something done.
    I’ll swing by there one afternoon next week.
     
  20. my3sons

    my3sons Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Feb 24, 2009
    Upstate NY (lake Erie)
    2004 400DB, Onan 9 kw Gen, Highfield RIB,
    Cummins 6CTA
    It was a little more work to run the wire, but I used the blank I had on the 110 panel. That way it is stand alone and marked as such and when you're not using it, it can remain de energized by simply not flipping the breaker on. I have my pan heaters plugged in to the outlets normally and just pull one of the plugs if I need to use it for something else. It's mounted on the forward bulkhead center. A lot more convenient than stringing extension cords through hatches.
     
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