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  1. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    Give it a rest dude. And yes you are correct (for the first time) - I indeed don't romanticize repair and maintenance forums. Why? - because they are repair and maintenance forums. Simple. And repair forums are not the place to be acting out your unpaid fanboy mentality for brand loyalty - where...
  2. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    No - you're a troll, stick to the topic or refrain from posting please.
  3. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    Yea a mental condition, ha ha, for calling people out on their useless and counterproductive comments. You’re just not happy that you said things that were patently stupid and wrong and I pointed that out. It's not a mental disorder to point out that someone is polluting an informative thread...
  4. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    Troll? no. You're a troll, ha ha. Definitely. "Anytime I see an early post that is pages long it gives me the feeling that it won't end well." - You're probably spending too much time on the Sea Ray forum, go out and get some fresh air man. "Perhaps if the OP would actually read other threads...
  5. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    What's my angle here? ha ha. No angle, just rather neutral recommendations of superior construction techniques, nothing more nothing less. As for describing me as a "new member" with the claim that I have "stirred a shitstorm" and am "pissing on everyone" if you read my original post, you will...
  6. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    I was very specific in my article. I did not describe these screws failing during the many cocktail outings that characterize the bulk of Sea Ray owners experiences with their vessels. I described the many failures which occur when the cocktails are no where to be seen, only hurricane force...
  7. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    Good for you, don't take the thoroughly sound engineering principles word for it because I am not a Sea Ray employee. I hope you are aware that most of the Sea Ray employees whom you are seeking advice from have probably returned to their farms in Mexico and you will have to brush up on your...
  8. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    Its astonishing how many commenters are defending a culture where accountants are the designers of large vessels and we end up with self tapping screws holding giant yachts together as a result, ha ha. Its sad that the last remaining "skepticism" existing in many people is not directed to giant...
  9. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    Incorrect. It's not plywood, its a composite fiberboard. (also not a good screw holder) In my article I described the sheer forces from the panels (of the shoe box) exerting sheer forces against the screws causing greater or lesser degrees of failure at the point where the screw threads meet...
  10. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    Basing it on experience. I've dismantled them to fix the many manufacturing problems therein. Hence my recommendations that they make incremental improvements on their hull to deck fitting. Its not the end of the world that someone dares to suggest that a profit driven corporation adhere to...
  11. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    Agreed. Pascoe's writings are an invaluable resource for marine engineers and boat builders, always thoughtful and always correct and thorough. Also agree that you don't need to have a degree in Marine Engineering to observe failures, gain an understanding in how those failures occurred, gains...
  12. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    I built my first hydroplane racer at aged 13 and have had 6 boats in the intervening years since then and worked on many others. I come from a family of engineers (my father working on the Apollo Program.) I will take you up on the offer and call you crazy, firstly for the claim that Sea Ray is...
  13. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    You mentioned that Tiara uses "copious amounts of polyurethane construction adhesive" - Thats called a permanent solid joint and was one of the recommendations I made in my article alongside tabbing.
  14. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    David Pascoe who was a long time yacht surveyor (and critic of current manufacturer laxity) wrote many times about how bad it is to affix the decks to hulls of large vessels with self tapping screws. Here is one article: https://www.yachtsurvey.com/Screwit.htm He and most marine engineers will...
  15. funseeker

    Hulls should be be permanently attached to their decks - not with self tapping screws alone.

    Transient momentary forces typically encountered at the junction of fiberglass hulls with their decks or top halves are too great for the tiny surface area of the number 8 self tapping stainless screws typically seen joining large production yachts. The amount of deflection occurring during...
  16. funseeker

    Towing 390Motor Yacht with no engines (will it be too top heavy?)

    Thank You all for your replies. My solution was to secure eight 30gal drums as close to the centerline and as far down into the engine compartment as I could. This would total 2000 lbs of ballast (250lbs of water per 30 gallon drum). I secured the drums with ratcheting straps to whatever...
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    Towing 390Motor Yacht with no engines (will it be too top heavy?)

    Wondering if I need balast to keep it from capsizing. It's 28,000 lbs dry weight and the cummins are each 1300lbs and have been removed. Not sure if this will cause instability. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. (it's only got a 3 foot draft so the removal of the engines may significantly...
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    390 Motoryacht

    Hi, I just purchased a 390 Motor Yacht and must replace both motors and am seeking information on how exactly to remove the requisite portions of the flybridge and console and windshield to facilitate the removal and replacement of the motors buried deep within the hull. anyone with an...
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