"What is wrong" was already asked....

scoflaw said:
Guns are made to kill, and that's why we own them. Simple men with a simple plan doing simple things with our index finger

Put me in the camp of bump stocks and drum mags cause my eyesight isn't as good as it used to be.
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Not sure I follow your logic scoflaw. Help me understand........?
 
Creekwood said:
Legit question. If you are hunting in the US, are you allowed to use an AR-15 with a 30 round clip? that would not be legal in Canada. Can an AR-15 be used for hunting, and if so, what restrictions are there on its use.
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In some states, the .223 is too small for large game, so it isn't legal in those seasons. Other states has a limit to how many shells your shotgun can hold.
 
Creekwood said:
Legit question. If you are hunting in the US, are you allowed to use an AR-15 with a 30 round clip? that would not be legal in Canada. Can an AR-15 be used for hunting, and if so, what restrictions are there on its use.
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Some states yes. The rules seem arbitrary at best. In my home state, Indiana, it is legal for hunting certain critters (including home invaders and mother rapers, FATHER rapers, etc...) but not others. I won't digress into what an AR-15 is but suffice it to say it's like calling a four wheeled vehicle with an open bed a truck. Too many variables. That said, a .223/556 round isn't suitable for some types of hunting but the coyotes in my backyard hate it. They also hate .45, 44 Magnum, .22, 20ga and Arctic Cat at 50 MPH. I don't let THEM decide how to defend my dogs. I choose what to use based on the current situation. So far, I'm ahead. The weird part is, it's completely legal for me to use a .308, 8mm, 7mm, 50 cal...what ever to shoot a coyote. But ask to use a rifle for a big deer....OH NO! It might go too far past the target. Indiana is really bass ackwards about some things but at least we have the 2nd totally under control.
 
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As to the question of bump stocks, I don't care. They're a novelty and a waste of money. Legally it gets sticky to outlaw something like that. It can be reproduced with a finger and a belt loop.
High capacity magazines don't matter. Not even a consideration. That argument only lets educated people know you're not informed and not taking it seriously.



Anyone celebrating the officer that shot the bastard today? Thank God for a good guy with a gun and the C.O. Jones to go after a bad guy. Now when is the walkout?
 
As we're often compared to Canada I thought this article was interesting. Overall the crime rate in both the USA and Canada have been steadily dropping for decades. Often Canadian firearms restrictions are given much credit yet in recent years their subsets of gun crime and gun homicide are up 30% and 66%.

As some folks have mentioned, we are similar countries and people but with different views on firearms. We ponder the phenomena of school shootings in the US, why did it become a 'thing'? Finger pointers aim at guns, but....why the change in Canada?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canada-unveils-slightly-stricter-gun-laws/ar-BBKtLfN

'According to government statistics, the number of crimes involving guns increased 30 percent to 2,465 from 2013 to 2016, while gun homicides (many of them involving gangs) rose by two-thirds to 223.

Most firearms owned by Canadians are non-restricted long guns such as hunting rifles and shotguns.

For the most part, handguns, semi-automatics or fully automatic firearms are already restricted or prohibited.'
 
Gun crimes are up in Canada but the increase is due to a very large increase gang crime. In the major cities (mostly Toronto and Vancouver) there is an increase in organized gangs and the murders are gang on gang. Although just recently in Toronto there was an Asian gang "hit" at a bowling alley that killed an innocent bystander as well as the target (a known gang leader). Virtually all gun crime is with handguns. Handguns can be bought and used in Canada but there are tight restrictions and no public carry allowed anywhere.
 
Woody said:
...Often Canadian firearms restrictions are given much credit yet in recent years their subsets of gun crime and gun homicide are up 30% and 66%.
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Regarding the increase statistics, the apparent large increase is a bit misleading as a percentage, although significant nonetheless. Any finite increase of a small number is a big percentage. Gun homicides rose by two-thirds, to 223 total, which is still a pretty small number. That's for the whole year.

The fact that it is increasing is a problem, however, and an indication that something needs to change. In this case, the amount of circulation of the chosen weapon (primarily to gangs), hand guns, needs to be reversed. By making it harder to obtain them in general, there will be less available overall, and they will be more difficult for criminals to get their hands on them (I know, not impossible, but less is more in this case). Law enforcement can then hopefully surpass the introduction rate of new illegal guns with the removal of them.

Putting more in circulation, regardless of whether or not you think they are good guns or not, will eventually result in more gun deaths. It's pretty simple, and the reality of it is right there in front of everyone to see no matter what excuses or justifications one tries to make. Note that the recent bowling alley targeted shooting would not have been mitigated by a bunch of good guns in the crowd. It still would have happened and the best solution is to make it hard for the idiots to get the gun to begin with.

I still contend that going back once the problem is out of control is not an easy thing to do. In line with that contention, I also believe keeping the problem at bay is the best course of action.

If no one else has a gun, I don't really need one for self-defense...there are tons of other options.
 
Arickosmo said:
Anyone celebrating the officer that shot the bastard today? Thank God for a good guy with a gun and the C.O. Jones to go after a bad guy. Now when is the walkout?
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Thankfully the officer was able to prevent any additional unnecessary killing. He did his job well.

It would have been better, however, if the 17 year old boy, who was upset because he lost his girlfriend, didn't have to try and deal with his emotions while having a gun in his hands, and ultimately die before his life even started. As I stated earlier in this thread, having one of these weapons in your hand can be pretty much a mind altering experience (for an adult, let alone a potentially otherwise stable but emotional, hormone-soaked adolescent). I am sure the officer would have rather not had to shoot at a kid that day as well. He will never be the same.

A fight in the hallway and detention would have been preferable, with no one being shot, and without a lot of kids' lives being altered forever.

No more school shootings would be something worth "celebrating".
 
mtnandy said:
Someone please remove this thread !!! This is not a boating issues and it just keeps showing up day after day. Enough already !!!!
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It doesn't need to be a "boating" related topic to be discussed in the Tiki Bar. A quick review of the Forum Topics located on the home page should clear up any confusion you may have.

Additionally, it's not a requirement of the forum to read every topic that shows up. You are more than welcome to skip over any topic you feel isn't boating related.
 
Arickosmo said:
Anyone celebrating the officer that shot the bastard today? Thank God for a good guy with a gun and the C.O. Jones to go after a bad guy. Now when is the walkout?
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I am sure that the kids in that school didn't want either the kid coming with a gun or the C.O. putting bullets in him in front of them all. THAT is what they are walking out about. Kids in school should be focused on education and the normal growing up things like what to wear and whether he/she likes me. This is not about putting more and more firepower in the schools so the officers there can splatter blood and brains around the next time an angry kid comes in with a gun he was able to get so easily. That is what the walkouts are about. They want to be kids. You want them to feel like they are in a war zone so they feel safe?

America seems happy to keeping adding guns to fix gun issues. Give it a few years and it will look like Beirut or Israel where people carry machine guns around. But hey, its your country.
 
Creekwood said:
America seems happy to keeping adding guns to fix gun issues. Give it a few years and it will look like Beirut or Israel where people carry machine guns around. But hey, its your country.
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Hey, yes it is. And we’re tired of the sarcasm and self-righteousness. We get enough of that from Saturday Night Live.

Needless to say, no one here is “happy” about people having guns who should not. And “people” here are never going to be carrying automatic weapons “around” since the laws against that are actually enforced, and have been for decades. Some things here may need to change, but the solution here is never going to be the same as it is there.

The Canadian Supreme Court has held that your citizens do not have a right under your constitution to bear arms in self defense. If you like having your government control your life that way, via con dios, it’s your country and we all hope you’re happy up there. The US Supreme Court has specifically held that our constitution preserves the right of our citizens to bear arms in self defense. Millions of us do so every day, legally and safely, and we would never consent to any significant curtailment of that right. I have used my gun to defend my wife and myself against a group of would-be (and unarmed, as far as we knew) attackers in a public place. Afterward, the police lauded my handling of the situation and told me it probably saved our lives. If we were living in Montreal and the same incident happened, we might be dead.

So for my part, I am grateful that (a) my government cannot abrogate my right to bear arms for self defense, (b) under our system of government it would take a Constitutional Convention to change that, and (c) that is highly unlikely.
 
Borrowed from another forum:

Let’s review:

What DIDN’T stop today’s school shooting:
- Maryland’s assault weapon ban
- Maryland’s 10-round magazine limit
- Maryland’s universal background check requirement
- Maryland’s law requiring an exhaustive application process to obtain a permit to purchase a handgun
- Maryland’s law prohibiting purchase of more than one firearm per month
- Maryland’s law requiring handgun registration
- Maryland’s law requiring licensing of handgun owners
- Maryland’s extremely limited approval of concealed carry permits
- Maryland’s refusal to honor any concealed carry permit from another state
- Federal law prohibiting handgun possession for people under 21
- Laws against carrying without a permit
- Gun free zone laws
- Laws against discharging a firearm in public
- Laws against attempted murder

What DID stop today’s school shooting:
- An armed person at the scene who engaged the shooter in less than a minute

Any questions?"
 
bajturner said:
Regarding the increase statistics, the apparent large increase is a bit misleading as a percentage, although significant nonetheless. Any finite increase of a small number is a big percentage. Gun homicides rose by two-thirds, to 223 total, which is still a pretty small number. That's for the whole year.

The fact that it is increasing is a problem, however, and an indication that something needs to change. In this case, the amount of circulation of the chosen weapon (primarily to gangs), hand guns, needs to be reversed. By making it harder to obtain them in general, there will be less available overall, and they will be more difficult for criminals to get their hands on them (I know, not impossible, but less is more in this case). Law enforcement can then hopefully surpass the introduction rate of new illegal guns with the removal of them.

Putting more in circulation, regardless of whether or not you think they are good guns or not, will eventually result in more gun deaths. It's pretty simple, and the reality of it is right there in front of everyone to see no matter what excuses or justifications one tries to make. Note that the recent bowling alley targeted shooting would not have been mitigated by a bunch of good guns in the crowd. It still would have happened and the best solution is to make it hard for the idiots to get the gun to begin with.

I still contend that going back once the problem is out of control is not an easy thing to do. In line with that contention, I also believe keeping the problem at bay is the best course of action.

If no one else has a gun, I don't really need one for self-defense...there are tons of other options.
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The rate is the rate you can't play it down because the pile of bodies isn't huge.(like in the US?)

I wasn't jabbing at Canada. I thought the comparison should generate some other thoughts as to what contributes to the problem instead of just, 'it's the guns'.
 
Creekwood said:
I am sure that the kids in that school didn't want either the kid coming with a gun or the C.O. putting bullets in him in front of them all. THAT is what they are walking out about.
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You offer kids a sanctioned opportunity to cut class. How many of them wouldn't jump on that - for any reason?
That 'walkout' was nothing more than a pathetic example of how low the liberals who run our school systems will stoop to indoctrinate our youth.
 
mtnandy said:
Someone please remove this thread !!! This is not a boating issues and it just keeps showing up day after day. Enough already !!!!
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Boater420 said:
It doesn't need to be a "boating" related topic to be discussed in the Tiki Bar. A quick review of the Forum Topics located on the home page should clear up any confusion you may have.

Additionally, it's not a requirement of the forum to read every topic that shows up. You are more than welcome to skip over any topic you feel isn't boating related.
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My Mom was so smart, she could handle any problem. When my little sister would complain about my brother and I, 'I don't like what they're saying', my Mom would say 'then don't listen'. When my sister would say 'I don't like what they're doing' my Mom would smack her on the butt and say 'then go in the other room and do something different'. Mom was awesome, don't be mumbling under your breath as you do as your told 'cause she had 'no time to listen to your lip'....'no desert for you tonight.';)
 
MLauman said:
You offer kids a sanctioned opportunity to cut class. How many of them wouldn't jump on that - for any reason?
That 'walkout' was nothing more than a pathetic example of how low the liberals who run our school systems will stoop to indoctrinate our youth.
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I read about one kid that felt the walkout protest wasn't the right thing to do during school time. He didn't leave the classroom....get this, he was suspended for not joining the protest.
 
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